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#1653902 - 04/03/11 06:34 PM Questions About Julliard
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Though some may think that Julliard's standards are a little ridiculous, I hope I am lucky enough to go there, but if I am not able to go there, and this is more than likely because only the best of the best get in, then I do have a question. I was wondering that a non-student could still have access to their library of musical collections and their hall of steinway pianos?
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#1653912 - 04/03/11 06:45 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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Disclaimer: I know next to nothing about Juilliard, except for having been in chamber rehearsals there from time to time.

Well, I didn't know they had a "hall of Steinway pianos," but I would assume you'd have to be a student there to access them.

As for the library collections, many are quite rare and valuable (including some newsworthy additions in just the last few years). It would seem unfair not to allow dedicated musicians and scholars access to them.
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#1653920 - 04/03/11 06:53 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: RealPlayer]
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Yes, that is what I was wondering. I don't think they actually have a hall of steinway pianos, but they certainly have a collection of around two hundred odd something. I heard that they have very rare music documentaries in their though. I was just wondering because one day I would certainly love the check them out if I can.
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#1653921 - 04/03/11 06:53 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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If they do have a "hall of Steinway pianos", they would be probably be out-of-tune and massively under-regulated.

If you're in NY, the public music library (performing arts) is supposed to be top-notch. Haven't been there, but having been to the Juilliard library once or twice, I imagine the public library can only be better.

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#1653922 - 04/03/11 06:55 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: Lingyis]
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If it is Julliard, I am sure at least a hundred of them are in tune if not all of them. If that is a high end college, then I am sure students go to public halls to practice on these Steinway's and it would only make sense to keep them in tune.
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#1653927 - 04/03/11 06:59 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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Just my $0.02,
When I went there for a few lessons it was difficult to just get past the security guards unless you are a student with an ID card. Someone in the building has to tell them to let you in (same at MSM). I would highly doubt they would give non-Juilliard people access to their pianos or their library collections. Thats some pricey stuff they've got in there.

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#1653930 - 04/03/11 07:04 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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I'll bet with the right credentials or even just a supportive letter from a respected musician, you could get access to the library materials. You may have to wear gloves to page through them, though. And you'd better have a convincing reason to want to see them...a narrower focus than "just because they're awesome." smile

I am making an assumption (perhaps naive) that libraries are proud of the materials entrusted to them and want to see them (respectfully) used. That's a basic tenet of the concept of a library. I remember as a young student thumbing through Charles Ives' manuscripts at Yale University. No problem, but I can no longer remember how I got access.


Edited by RealPlayer (04/03/11 07:09 PM)
Edit Reason: More thoughts
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#1653931 - 04/03/11 07:08 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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Originally Posted By: TylerNB
Though some may think that Julliard's standards are a little ridiculous, I hope I am lucky enough to go there, but if I am not able to go there, and this is more than likely because only the best of the best get in, then I do have a question. I was wondering that a non-student could still have access to their library of musical collections and their hall of steinway pianos?


A friend of mine is a student there. I'll ask him next time I see him, or whenever he pops up on Facebook chat.
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#1653935 - 04/03/11 07:14 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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Originally Posted By: TylerNB
If it is Julliard, I am sure at least a hundred of them are in tune if not all of them. If that is a high end college, then I am sure students go to public halls to practice on these Steinway's and it would only make sense to keep them in tune.


yeah... you'd be surprised. i'm not a student there, only taking some lowly evening division classes, but many of the pianos in the rooms are grossly underregulated. Tuning-wise they're actually not terrible, better than you'd expect from pianos that get played like 10 hours a day.

I didn't go to a music school, but the university I went to, also had mostly steinways in their practice rooms anyway. They're also somewhat out-of-tune and grossly underregulated. The grad school I went to, again a non-music school, had all Steinways. They don't get played much so regulation-wise they're actually not bad.

I imagine Steinways are pretty much par for most colleges. But it's not like they're the be-all and end-alls anyway.

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#1653936 - 04/03/11 07:16 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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There's a Juilliard Store that sells scores, and other gifty things.

Hey, a Juilliard T-shirt--just the thing to wear to auditions at other conservatories.

http://www.thejuilliardstore.com/

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#1653937 - 04/03/11 07:26 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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That is Funny WhoDwaldi. It really is. Of course I have a good reason why I would want to view the scores and the other dedicated music works of the Juliard library. I want to learn more than ever and be able to study this stuff up close. And if they have a piano in the library that I can have access to, you can bet your socks that I will be on it.
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And yet another Bach piece

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#1653973 - 04/03/11 08:49 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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Juilliard, isn't an all Steinway school any longer, by the way.


Edited by stores (04/03/11 08:50 PM)
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#1653982 - 04/03/11 09:44 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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The practice pianos are indeed Steinways, and they are indeed worn out. Juilliard has a staff of dedicated technicians who try to keep up with the needs of the instruments, which are rebuilt every so many years. During peak hours, it can be difficult to get a room. Non-students are not permitted to practice at the school. The library does have a collection of rare manuscripts, which are on rotating display in a glass case. The collection can actually be accessed online at www.juilliardmanuscriptcollection.org. New York Public Library for the Performing Arts is just across the street and is open to the general public.

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#1653989 - 04/03/11 10:06 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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From the Juilliard website, regarding access to their library:

"Materials circulate only to current Juilliard School students and faculty members. Outside users may make appointments to view materials during business hours (Monday through Friday, 9 a.m. to 5 p.m.) that are unique to Juilliard's collection."

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#1653993 - 04/03/11 10:17 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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Originally Posted By: TylerNB
I want to learn more than ever and be able to study this stuff up close. And if they have a piano in the library that I can have access to, you can bet your socks that I will be on it.


That is an issue with music libraries: why, oh why are there no keyboards to play the scores? And you can't always take materials to a practice room. I read somewhere that the Library of Congress has keyboards and headphones for such study.

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#1654018 - 04/03/11 11:42 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: WhoDwaldi]
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Originally Posted By: WhoDwaldi
Originally Posted By: TylerNB
I want to learn more than ever and be able to study this stuff up close. And if they have a piano in the library that I can have access to, you can bet your socks that I will be on it.


That is an issue with music libraries: why, oh why are there no keyboards to play the scores?

I believe that The New York Public Performing Arts Library Lingyis cited above has an electronic keyboard in one of the reading rooms for visitors to use to play scores. It is a wonderful library, and is basically located across the street from Juilliard.


Edited by nycplayer (04/03/11 11:44 PM)

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#1654021 - 04/03/11 11:52 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: RealPlayer]
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Originally Posted By: RealPlayer
As for the library collections, many are quite rare and valuable (including some newsworthy additions in just the last few years). It would seem unfair not to allow dedicated musicians and scholars access to them.


"The Juilliard Manuscript Collection" is available for viewing via the web:

http://www.juilliard.edu/library/manuscripts.php

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#1654035 - 04/04/11 12:18 AM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: stores
Juilliard, isn't an all Steinway school any longer, by the way.


From an article in the Globe and Mail:

With the purchase of the Fazioli – and even if Juilliard buys the Yamaha as well – Juilliard remains an all-Steinway school, because by that definition, 90 per cent of all instruments owned by the institution must be designed by Steinway. Juilliard owns about 260 Steinways.

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#1654040 - 04/04/11 12:49 AM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: sophial]
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Originally Posted By: stores
Juilliard, isn't an all Steinway school any longer, by the way.


From an article in the Globe and Mail:

With the purchase of the Fazioli – and even if Juilliard buys the Yamaha as well – Juilliard remains an all-Steinway school, because by that definition, 90 per cent of all instruments owned by the institution must be designed by Steinway. Juilliard owns about 260 Steinways.


Apparently, ALL doesn't mean ALL to some. Last I checked 90% and ALL do not equate.
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#1654110 - 04/04/11 06:40 AM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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I would guess Juilliard's practice rooms are off-limits to strangers.

But fortunately we all have access to Juilliard's manuscript collection here.

And right across the street is the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts which has an extensive collection of scores and books about music.

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#1654409 - 04/04/11 03:45 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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Not at all ridiculous. The audition requirements are set and very democratic: a WTC piece, a complete Classical Era sonata, a substantial Romantic Era piece, two concert etudes, and an impressive piece from a different era than the above (this would typically be a 20th cent. work). It's straightforward: if you can play this repertoire absolutely note perfect and from memory and with plenty of pizzaz, you've got a chance to get in.

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#1654516 - 04/04/11 06:04 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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Trust me Gyro, if I can develop my talent that well, then you can bet that I will definently go for it. I am sure there are other schools that are still good in the music arts. The thing that does worry me, is that since I am pretty much best at the arts, which is a competitive field, I am afraid I will not get a job in that field.
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#1654593 - 04/04/11 08:07 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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#1654594 - 04/04/11 08:09 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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I spelled it right in the title.
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#1654599 - 04/04/11 08:11 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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Originally Posted By: TylerNB
I spelled it right in the title.

No you didn't.
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#1654621 - 04/04/11 08:52 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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Originally Posted By: TylerNB
I spelled it right in the title.


Actually, no, you didn't.
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#1654623 - 04/04/11 08:53 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: TylerNB
I spelled it right in the title.

No you didn't.


Oops. You said that already.
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#1654634 - 04/04/11 09:07 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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Juilliard has an 'i' before the two els.

"The School was named for Augustus Juilliard, a wealthy textile merchant whose bequest was used to establish the Juilliard Graduate School in 1924. In 1926, it merged with the Institute for Musical Art to become the Juilliard School of Music. With the additions of a Dance Division in 1951 and Drama Division in 1968, the name was shortened to The Juilliard School." (from their website)
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#1654681 - 04/04/11 10:24 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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So like, Ju-ill-i-ard
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#1654688 - 04/04/11 10:33 PM Re: Questions About Julliard [Re: TylerNB]
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You don't need to get into Juilliard in order to find a career in the arts.

And to be blatantly honest, you gotta be pretty damn talented and already playing collegiate material well to get in. There's nothing ridiculous about it. It's just the standard for the environment and learning curve.
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