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#1653978 - 04/03/11 09:08 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi Knotty
It sounds like your uncle knows the good life: beach + jazz wink

For the Hanons, I'm thinking of spending one more day at 144 then going back to 138. Do you agree ?

I didn't know Blue Skies before but I just listened to the Ella and Ben Webster versions on you-tube, they are so great.

I have to wait till 2 Jun for Sonny.

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#1655041 - 04/05/11 12:35 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Questions for Dave:

In the first 3 lessons dominant 7th chords built up from the root are 3 voice chords, but the surrounding chords are usually 4 voice chords. Is there some special reason for this?

In lesson 3's A Froggy Day (Someday My Prince) the first line has the EbM7 voiced 7135, which fits smoothly between D7 voiced 137 and G7 voiced 3b67b9, but in the 5th line the EbM7 is voiced higher 1357, which makes for an awkward jump down to the G7 voiced 3b67b9 again. Why is the EbM7 not voiced the second time as in the first? I prefer the easier to play version, of course. :-D

I assume that you have some musical reason, but I do not hear it.



Edited by 2Shlow (04/05/11 12:37 PM)

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#1655070 - 04/05/11 01:26 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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2Shlow,
Sorry for cross posting, that's a good question, I'll look forward to the answer.

I wanted to say that the Solar video posted earlier got us a gig next week in a nearby embassy (they're all next to each other) for some sort of yearly event.
That should be fun. Embassies ALWAYS have the best appetizers smile

Yellow Floridian shirt, or red Hawaian shirt? What will it be?

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#1655109 - 04/05/11 02:20 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: 2Shlow]
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we're just going for variety, the musical axiom is that anything done too long the same way gets way gets boring. Dom7 chords are voiced with 3 notes often because the 3 and b7 are sufficient to establish the basic dom sound, and with 1 tension added it often is cool.

Sometimes a bit of a jump in the LH thumb creates a stronger sound..

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#1655172 - 04/05/11 04:26 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty


I wanted to say that the Solar video posted earlier got us a gig next week in a nearby embassy (they're all next to each other) for some sort of yearly event.
That should be fun. Embassies ALWAYS have the best appetizers smile



That's really exciting! I hope you enjoy it. And the appetizers.
Quote:

Yellow Floridian shirt, or red Hawaian shirt? What will it be?


Red. Either will suit your colouring. Red will make you appear more confident.
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#1655327 - 04/05/11 08:28 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Congrats Knotty. The Solar vid was pro.
So where do you get your shirt collection from ? I will need to wear my sunnies to watch you and Sonny Rollins.
I would wear a color that represents the country of the Embassy. So a yellow shirt if it's Australia.

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#1655329 - 04/05/11 08:31 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: davefrank]
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Originally Posted By: davefrank


Sometimes a bit of a jump in the LH thumb creates a stronger sound..


That's interesting Dave. I agree and will try out in my improv practice today to highlight the shift in tonality between C maj and A min.
Previously I was trying to create minimal movement in the LH thumb.

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#1655333 - 04/05/11 08:35 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Re: Shirt.
The host has let me know that it will be a nice crowd, and an "elegant affair". So I think I might stick to black suit...

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#1655529 - 04/06/11 04:29 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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when you're improvising it is best to keep the minimal thumb movement thing happening, although you can do whatever you want to sometimes:)

Unknown to more than half the population, in the US and Singapore moving the thumb between chords more than one full step is punishable by 30 seconds in jail and the suspension of your bocci license.

DF

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#1655543 - 04/06/11 05:26 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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hahahhh Dave, thanks for the warning. Tomorrow during my improv practice, I will go back to the minimal thumb movement, I don't wanna spend any time in jail wink

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#1655789 - 04/06/11 03:11 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: davefrank]
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Originally Posted By: davefrank

Unknown to more than half the population, in the US and Singapore moving the thumb between chords more than one full step is punishable by 30 seconds in jail and the suspension of your bocci license.

DF


What's the sentence for wantonly ending on a dominant chord? (I'm referring to Precipitation).

Knotty - You'll look professional in a suit.

Dave - Hope the grand opening went well.

Cus - enjoy the concert! smile
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#1655925 - 04/06/11 07:00 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: ten left thumbs]
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I had some wanton soup soup last night!

Reharmonization.

DF

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#1656048 - 04/07/11 12:01 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hello
I am now using an A min progression for the last 4 measures when I improv using the C maj and A min scales.
Does this one sound better ?

http://www.box.net/shared/9jsdrump32

Thanks !

custard

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#1656108 - 04/07/11 03:36 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: davefrank]
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Originally Posted By: davefrank



Reharmonization.



Brutal.

Sounds good, custard!
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#1656386 - 04/07/11 03:07 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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perfecto.

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#1656405 - 04/07/11 03:37 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Did anyone else find Here's that rainy day a difficult tune to absorb? I'm nearly done with Precipitation, and will record soon. But I'd like to sing the standard along to the chords. I've been listening to the song for two weeks. That's normally enough. Have I just lost it?

As an aside, I've also been trying to learn Poisoning pigeons, and that's also stumping me.
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#1656406 - 04/07/11 03:47 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Cus,

You got it! Sounded really good.

10,
Rainy day is a tough tune for me too.

What's that about poisoning pigeons? Do you have the same for deers or squirrels

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#1656425 - 04/07/11 04:25 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Thank you very much Dave, Knotty and Ten. I love improvising even though it's the hardest thing about my practice every day.
I spent 2.5 weeks on C maj/A min and am extremely comfortable with it now. I'm prepared to spend this long per each of the six maj/rel min. Can't wait to start on F maj/ D min today.
Thanks for your help and support.

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#1656437 - 04/07/11 04:40 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty


What's that about poisoning pigeons? Do you have the same for deers or squirrels


Yes, maybe I'll do in a squirrel or two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhuMLpdnOjY
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#1656501 - 04/07/11 06:27 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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that's ok. You can do 1 key/week if you like, they may go faster as you get more used to the whole concept.

Blessings and keep swingin!

Dave

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#1656504 - 04/07/11 06:38 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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A recording of Skid dat. Not an easy one, I found.

http://www.box.net/shared/xio55dzdjs

I had another go at Rainy Day. I can sing along with the recording I have. I can sing without the recording. What I can't do is transpose it into a different key, which is what's in the book.

I'll record lesson 4 and move on. Spent enough time on this one. smile
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#1656523 - 04/07/11 07:31 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: ten left thumbs]
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I'm not sure what you mean about transposing Rainy Day into 12 keys, only need to do that with hanons and chord voicings..

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#1656527 - 04/07/11 07:35 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: ten left thumbs]
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that solo singing sounded great Laura! some of those Louie rhythms are hard to nail exactly, he was a slippery player, but you did really well:)keep puttin your feeling into it!


Dave

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#1656544 - 04/07/11 08:25 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Yeah Ten, that was wonderful. You're good at handling the Louis rhythms.
Skid da de Dat was a fun song and it sounded like you had a fun time with it.
What's the next song ?

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#1656642 - 04/08/11 12:58 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: davefrank]
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Originally Posted By: davefrank
that's ok. You can do 1 key/week if you like, they may go faster as you get more used to the whole concept.

Blessings and keep swingin!

Dave


Yup Dave. You're right, now that I'm getting the hang of it, I will try and go a bit faster.

Dave or Knotty
I would really appreciate if you would check my F maj/ D min progressions. Thank you !

http://www.box.net/shared/o4ty3f3jjt

G min 7 (F A Bb D)
C 7 (E A Bb D)
F maj 6 (E F A D)
F maj 7 (E F A C)

E m7 b5 (E G Bb D)
A7 b9 (E G Bb Db)
D m6 (D E G Bb)
D m6 (D E G B natural)

Exploring this new improv stuff is really fun for me.

Cheers
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#1656736 - 04/08/11 08:17 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Watch your d-6. You can simply use D F A B, or once in a while, move it higher to FABE.
The E- sounds good with an A instead of the G also. You can try moving the A7 up once in a while to G Bb C# F, or G Bb C# E, or even both.

Try a few variety of inversions.
For G-7, try this: A Bb D F, to C7 A Bb D E, or G Bb D E.
Fmaj rooted is fine sometimes F A C E, or pop some color with F G A C E, or remove the F.

Anyway, pick one you like and stick to it for a while so you don't have to think about the LH too much. Just some options, all in the book.

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#1656743 - 04/08/11 08:46 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: davefrank]
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Thanks for the comments on Skid scat. smile I admit I did a lot of work on this one. I associate the rhythm I hear with the running image on Transcribe of the different solos. Without that, I don't think I'd be able to do it. Having said that, I'm not sure Louis would be able to replicate things accurately either. He seems to make a principle of doing it different every time. He just finds lots of ways to make it different.

Originally Posted By: davefrank
I'm not sure what you mean about transposing Rainy Day into 12 keys, only need to do that with hanons and chord voicings..


No fear! laugh

I mean I can't hold the tune in my head. Strange for me as I don't have perfect pitch. You know when you're about to sing 'For he's a jolly good...' and someone else starts a fraction before you, in a key different from what you were going to sing, so you just join in their key? That's what I can't do with this song. It's not a big deal. I've just been using these songs for practising guitar chords, and I'd quite like to feel I've got it down. It's just marginally more fun than the exercises in the guitar book.

Here is Precipitation:
http://www.box.net/shared/g4c5nb7b45

(The acapella attempt is out by the end of the tune).

and Rainy Day blues:

http://www.box.net/shared/3rrhz1kn0q

Hanon 4 I found really tricky at first. I've not been practising as in the book, with a distinct sustain and challenge tempo. What I do is start slow, probably under 100, then with each key I move the metronome up a notch. It is a literal notch, as it's a mechanical one. I go as far as I can, or till I get fed up, or till someone in the house complains. Today I got to the point it fell apart HT, and I could only do hands separate. That was at 176.

Custard: next is cornet chop suey. I don't know it, nor Sugar (lesson 5). Jazz number is small.
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#1656847 - 04/08/11 12:55 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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what Knotty said.

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#1656916 - 04/08/11 03:43 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Just researching Sugar before doing lesson 5 (Sweet and Low). I'm finding several Sugars. Can someone let me know which corresponds to lesson 5? Thanks. Also, if anyone can recommend an artist who sings just the simple song, I'd be really grateful.
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#1657128 - 04/09/11 03:02 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi Ten
Sugar is such a cool song by Stanley Turrentine. The popular you-tube version should be fine for learning it IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk5Zv6aW1Lg

Personally I don't know of a vocal version that does justice to Turrentine's composition. Maybe you could do one for us when you get up to Composition 5 smile

Re Hanons, are you doing them with your LH and hands together ?

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