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#1657129 - 04/09/11 03:11 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty
Watch your d-6. You can simply use D F A B, or once in a while, move it higher to FABE.
The E- sounds good with an A instead of the G also. You can try moving the A7 up once in a while to G Bb C# F, or G Bb C# E, or even both.

Try a few variety of inversions.
For G-7, try this: A Bb D F, to C7 A Bb D E, or G Bb D E.
Fmaj rooted is fine sometimes F A C E, or pop some color with F G A C E, or remove the F.

Anyway, pick one you like and stick to it for a while so you don't have to think about the LH too much. Just some options, all in the book.


Hi Knotty and Dave
Many thanks for your prompt and very helpful feedback. I hope you like this one better ?

http://www.box.net/shared/54fks236gf

G min 7: A Bb D F
C7: G Bb D E
F maj 9: G A C E
F maj 7: F A C E

Em7 b5: E A Bb D (Yup, the 4th instead of the min 3rd sounds kooool)
A7 b9: E G Bb Db
D min 6,9: F A B E
D min 6: F A B D

Thanks again !

Cheers
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#1657219 - 04/09/11 11:12 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Cus,
Sounds great.
Keep to this exact pattern and fingering for the whole time you're digesting the improv in that key. By the end of the week, that particular progression / voicing will be yours.

Some news:
more gigs lining up. Just played a gig at a restaurant in DC last Wednesday. Piano + guitar. Challenging for someone not used to playing bass lines, but the owner didn't kick us out (it did look pretty mean though smile )
Next week, 2 lined up already, one in another bar on Wed., and the embassy gig on Thursday.
Got me some pretty business cards, setting up a web site now, I'm gonna keep the momentum going if I can.

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#1657225 - 04/09/11 11:21 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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10,

Precipitation sounded terrific. You're locking in nice to that met on 2 & 4. The 1/4 triplets sounded really good.
Check out the triplet patter in bar 7 or so. From what I recall, Dave wrote it down one way, but played it another. Play it how he plays it rather than how it's written. It's more idiomatic that way.
I see this notation also everywhere in the omnibook. So long as you know how to make it sound, I think the notation is fine, but do listen to the track.

Otherwise, it's really really good, better than I've ever played it, anyway smile

Re: Hanon. 176 HT, again, is really really good. Again, faster than I've ever played it. You can play that speed in all keys?
Seems like JOI is unleashing a great deal of technique and knowledge that you've accumulated over the years. In a few months, when you start improvising, you will see all those pieces come together beautifully.
Good stuff..

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#1657237 - 04/09/11 11:44 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Originally Posted By: custard apple
Hi Ten
Sugar is such a cool song by Stanley Turrentine. The popular you-tube version should be fine for learning it IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk5Zv6aW1Lg


Thanks cus, that's helpful. Now I know it has nothing to do with Sugar (Sugar, I call my baby sugar) in my fakebook, nor Sugar foot stomp, nor is it the Sugar by Pinkard.

Quote:

Personally I don't know of a vocal version that does justice to Turrentine's composition. Maybe you could do one for us when you get up to Composition 5 smile


Indeed. Or I could just do my own vocal rendition. Maybe I'll take it to Xfactor?

Quote:

Re Hanons, are you doing them with your LH and hands together ?


Yes, I figure doing HT saves me time. I'm not pushing my LH.

Knotty - It's great you're getting gigs. There can be no higher compliment. It's probably got a lot to do with word of mouth - getting yourselves on the circuit. No doubt a website will be helpful.
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#1657268 - 04/09/11 12:58 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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GO KNOTTY!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#1657366 - 04/09/11 05:29 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Knots
If you are this busy now, you will definitely need a manager by Christmas.

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#1657378 - 04/09/11 06:42 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Thanks for the encouragement Knotty. Thanks for pointing out that rhythmic thing. He plays them quaver-semi-semi instead of triplets. Noted.

I'm looking forward to being unleashed!

I can't honestly say if I can do that Hanon in all keys at that tempo, haven't tried. I just play whatever key comes next (according to the pattern of the day) and keep going a bit faster. Tbh, I try not to think too much about the speed. I'm concentrating more on the key. It helps having a mechanical metronome, so I'm not really aware what speed it is till I check. But I have to really focus on what key I'm in. It's become a bit like a meditative state, tbh.

So tell me, what is this omnibook? I do have a birthday coming up, so I'll get to put in requests. So far I'm hankering after Bert Ligon's book on linear harmony - have been for a long time. I think there's enough in JOI to keep me going for a good year or so.
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#1657389 - 04/09/11 07:25 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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>> I think there's enough in JOI to keep me going for a good year or so.
I think so too.

The omnibook is a collection of Charlie Parker transcribed solos. It's great for learning the vocabulary, and for technique, too.

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#1658817 - 04/12/11 07:46 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty



The omnibook is a collection of Charlie Parker transcribed solos. It's great for learning the vocabulary, and for technique, too.



OK. It can wait. Forgive me, Charlie.

Now, I have a question on minor chord voicings. I was surprised in lesson 4 that Cmin is voiced B natural, C, Eb and G (7135). I thought it was just a typo and was supposed to be a Bb. But then, lesson 5, Emin has a D# in it. Lesson 6 also has the minor major. Page 31, however, voices minor chords with a minor 7th.

So now I am confused.

In the tunes, the minor chords have been of the normal variety, as far as I could see.
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#1658836 - 04/12/11 08:55 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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>> OK. It can wait. Forgive me, Charlie.
I started that book after lesson 52. As a replacement for the hanon. So you have time. The Joi it self should really keep you busy with few other books.
At some point, you could get a simple Bill Evans book, something that fits your level. To play beautiful arrangements and prepare for that exercise.
But again, probably something you would start towards the end of volume 2. I'm not exactly sure when Dave had me arrange tunes.

The Cm has multiple functions. When it's the 2 in a 2 5 I, the 7 would be minor.
When it's the minor i of a minor 2 V 5, then a modern way to play it is as a C-6. The C-6 has a 6 in it, but also a major 7. The chord before that would be a G7, which also has a B natural.

Often in books, you'll either see C-7 or C-6 for the same tune. When you see C-7, ask yourself what role it plays. In "There will never be another you", which is in book 1, you have d-7b5 G7 C-7. You should replace that and play C-6 instead, using a harmonic minor scale rather than whatever you might have thought.

For now, just get used to it, notice it. When you start the improv (lesson 15 or so), you ll start applying this stuff.

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#1658933 - 04/12/11 12:51 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty

The Cm has multiple functions. When it's the 2 in a 2 5 I, the 7 would be minor.
When it's the minor i of a minor 2 V 5, then a modern way to play it is as a C-6. The C-6 has a 6 in it, but also a major 7. The chord before that would be a G7, which also has a B natural.



Ah, got it. Thanks.
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#1659153 - 04/12/11 06:59 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty

In "There will never be another you", which is in book 1, you have d-7b5 G7 C-7. You should replace that and play C-6 instead, using a harmonic minor scale rather than whatever you might have thought.

For now, just get used to it, notice it. When you start the improv (lesson 15 or so), you ll start applying this stuff.


Hi Knots
Your whole explanation was so cool that I wrote it out, as my printer doesn't work at the moment.
Yesterday during my improv practice, when I was exploring nice arps to use, I found that the D min blues Ab C F G was a nice alternative to the D harm min.

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#1660503 - 04/15/11 08:07 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hey Gang,

I wanted to say that we went to play a very nice and elegant crowd last night at the embassy. The audience was very receptive, we got complimented throughout the nights, got requests, were asked for business cards and encores, and were told that more events in these upscale locations would be taking place, and the right people got our info. It was a lot of fun. The acoustic was pretty difficult in a circular room with huge ceilings, french doors all around and loud conversations, but we all managed to hear ourselves pretty well.

So there, about 2 years ago Dave said to me "you gonna be a monster". Now I know what he meant. I'm unstoppable ;-)

Meanwhile, our website is live at dcjazzpiano.com

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#1660625 - 04/15/11 11:53 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Fantastic buddy! See you Sunday. Turn it loose!

DF

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#1660712 - 04/15/11 02:18 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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When's the record deal then? laugh

Well done!
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#1660780 - 04/15/11 03:57 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Here we were yesterday evening.


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#1660846 - 04/15/11 06:19 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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You deserve it Knots. All your effort is paying off.
And you know so many songs that you were able to handle the requests.
What a nice room, and they provided you with a grand. All the drinks and food on the piano in the noisy room reminds me of the Count Basie segment on the Ken Burns DVD.

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#1661163 - 04/16/11 10:45 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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I'm working on lesson 5 now: sweet and low, from Sugar. As I didn't know the tune, and I don't have any printed version, can someone listen to this please? I've taken the tune as I hear it and put it over the chords from lesson 5. There is just one bar where I left out the chord as I didn't think it worked.

http://www.box.net/shared/lfiq3cb2va

Sounds silly, but I just want to be sure I've 'got' it this time. Thanks.

Edit: Just for fun, here's my guitar progress.

http://www.box.net/shared/e7e6kip974

I am really excited because I've booked some guitar lessons with this wonderful man who just happens to live close. I had been banging my head off a brick wall with something, posted on a jazz guitar forum, and was referred to some youtube lessons, which were really helpful. From the man's accent, I thought he could be local. Turns out he is. So I'm going to take lessons! smile Maybe one day I'll be able to play it!


Edited by ten left thumbs (04/16/11 11:38 AM)
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#1661274 - 04/16/11 02:02 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Ten,

Seems like you got it.
Check out this version, which has to be more or less the original:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk5Zv6aW1Lg
There's a 16th triplet going on.
It's also written as such in the real book.

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#1661283 - 04/16/11 02:11 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: ten left thumbs]
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sugaro is perfecto.

dave

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#1661330 - 04/16/11 03:29 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Thanks guys. This tune's not in my fakebook. I hear the triplets, I just wasn't feeling that energetic this afternoon. smile

The blues tune in this lesson is a real treat.
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#1661621 - 04/17/11 01:33 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi Ten
AL is perfect for your voice. That's great about your guitar lessons. You will love singing out Charlie Christian's chord shapes.

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#1662814 - 04/19/11 09:28 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hey Dave,

Which Tatum version of Tenderly is it that we listened to last Sunday? I've been digging around and each one he plays is totally different. I've never heard anyone play the same tune over and over again with such variety...

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#1662929 - 04/19/11 12:52 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Ah!
I found it.
The complete Capitol recordings Vol2. In D. Amazing stuff.

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#1662946 - 04/19/11 01:13 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Originally Posted By: custard apple
Hi Ten
AL is perfect for your voice. That's great about your guitar lessons. You will love singing out Charlie Christian's chord shapes.


I admit, I hadn't heard of him. I have much to learn...

I managed to scrape some time to record. I find it valuable to record and 'complete' a lesson, but some of this is quite excruciating to listen to, so please, no one is to feel obliged!

Lesson 5, Sweet and Low:
http://www.box.net/shared/j17q5krilv

Sugar blues, mistakes, retakes and all:
http://www.box.net/shared/99g24srci9

Hanon 5.
http://www.box.net/shared/mvjol9ovoh
I thought it would be interesting to listen to what I do at different speeds. I deleted random bits to make it marginally less boring to listen to. If anyone wants the full 1o minutes, just shout! I start off at about 100 and finish up at about 180, but there's hardly any swing there.

Arps over ii-V-I in D:
http://www.box.net/shared/282bzdrxzc
I manage this with the metronome now, though only very slow, and only in easy keys.

One thing I noticed, going through this pretty much as directed in the book, is that the further I go, the less keen I am so sing while playing. I don't mind singing afterward, as an exercise. But when I feel like my playing is worth listening to, I don't want to spoil it with my voice.

How's everyone else doing?

Happy passover everyone! Hoping the Angel of Death passes right over! laugh
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#1663063 - 04/19/11 05:01 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hey Ten,

Lesson 5 sounds really good. The hanons are real fast and the tunes accurate. I think you're doing really great!

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#1663064 - 04/19/11 05:04 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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what we listened to was the Complete Capitol Recordings

DF

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#1663068 - 04/19/11 05:12 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Thanks for listening Knotty. I will keep going. Listening to the tunes, I realised I kept pushing the metronome.

When I play, I want a drummer.
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#1663070 - 04/19/11 05:17 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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>> I realised I kept pushing the metronome
That's good, that's what you gotta do. Keep pushing it a click once in a while. That's how you push the limit.

>> When I play, I want a drummer.
Get a drumset. Drummers follow wink

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#1663194 - 04/19/11 08:01 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hey Knotty
I just played Art Tatum's Tenderly on you-tube as I didn't know it. It sounds very very difficult. What are you working on ?

Hi Ten
The first time I had heard of Charlie Christian was on the Ken Burns DVD.
One of the most enjoyable and helpful things about the solos that you are singing in JOI, is that these solos take you through the different jazz eras.

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