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#1666426 - 04/25/11 05:16 PM Re: Help. Avant Grand N3 or RG3 ????? What "really" is the best [Re: Marky Mark]
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Mark, I would be extremely cautious buying a newly introduced piano from someone on ebay. You of course are free to ignore my advice.

Perhaps someone here has experience with this company in Florida. Since the piano is new one would assume this is an official Yamaha dealer. Is it?

What would the same piano cost in the UK from a Yamaha dealer? I ask because I believe my price in the Netherlands was roughly the same number amount ignoring the currency. The piano, I believe, sells for 20,000 and the typical street price is between 14,000 and 15,000. (I paid € 14,875.) That Florida price is $13,895.

You're a braver man than I if you're willing to buy a new piano from a company in Florida through an ebay link and have it shipped to the UK.

I really want to hear the follow up on this purchase.

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#1666434 - 04/25/11 05:28 PM Re: Help. Avant Grand N3 or RG3 ????? What "really" is the best [Re: Marky Mark]
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It might not be such a risk. Musicland has been on eBay since June of 2008 and has a feedback rating of 344 with 94% positives. I'd typically like to see more than 94%, but it seems that they have shipped a number of pianos to buyers with high feedback ratings, so it might be less risky than it seems. At least it's not someone who just joined eBay and has a feedback rating of 2! That's something to avoid!

I didn't like the comment musicland made in response to one of the neg feedback statements. I think that comment alone would make me not want to do business with him, but that's just me. I don't want to even put a link to it, but if you go to eBay and do a search for the item number you can see musicland's feedback history and find that comment.
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#1666454 - 04/25/11 05:53 PM Re: Help. Avant Grand N3 or RG3 ????? What "really" is the best [Re: Dave Horne]
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Registered: 04/19/11
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Loc: Chigwell, Essex, UK
Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
Mark, I would be extremely cautious buying a newly introduced piano from someone on ebay. You of course are free to ignore my advice.

Perhaps someone here has experience with this company in Florida. Since the piano is new one would assume this is an official Yamaha dealer. Is it?

What would the same piano cost in the UK from a Yamaha dealer? I ask because I believe my price in the Netherlands was roughly the same number amount ignoring the currency. The piano, I believe, sells for 20,000 and the typical street price is between 14,000 and 15,000. (I paid € 14,875.) That Florida price is $13,895.

You're a braver man than I if you're willing to buy a new piano from a company in Florida through an ebay link and have it shipped to the UK.

I really want to hear the follow up on this purchase.




Hi Dave, I believe the UK cost for one of these new is around £12k... I am an expereienced ebay user, and will do several company checks before going ahead. I also have a contact within Fedex to cover shipping...

I have purchased several items before from the US and Ebay, all without any hassle, but as i said i "do" do checks before comitting....

I am wondering however what the roadmap is for this product given it was released what back in 2009... Last thing i want to do is purchase it and find a new model is released next month smile
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#1666463 - 04/25/11 06:09 PM Re: Help. Avant Grand N3 or RG3 ????? What "really" is the best [Re: Marky Mark]
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Mark, when my N3 was delivered it had an accident on the truck that I witnessed . A metal hook from the delivery truck pierced the cardboard packaging but fortunately did not come in contact with the piano. Had the piano been damaged I'm certain the dealer would have made good. Had they not made good, I would have called the Yamaha distributor in Holland and screamed.

What recourse would you have with Yamaha and the 'store' in Florida in a similar situation?
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#1666473 - 04/25/11 06:26 PM Re: Help. Avant Grand N3 or RG3 ????? What "really" is the best [Re: Dave Horne]
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Loc: Chigwell, Essex, UK
I'd ensure the item was fully insured before transportation. I'd probably pay for it on mastercard which also gives further protection...
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#1666475 - 04/25/11 06:30 PM Re: Help. Avant Grand N3 or RG3 ????? What "really" is the best [Re: Dave Horne]
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Loc: North Carolina
Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
I would be extremely cautious buying a newly introduced piano from someone on ebay. You of course are free to ignore my advice.
I'll second that. Musicland has been selling "new" Clavinovas on ebay for a while now. They're listed as being surplus stock from distressed piano dealers.

As such, I wondered if these pianos would carry the standard Yamaha warranty. (Yamaha only warrants pianos bought through legitimate, authorized channels.)

So I sent them a message, asking for specifics. Their answer was very evasive. DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!

As for their 94% rating ... that's far beyond my danger point. Since buyers are reluctant to give negative feedback for fear of seller retaliation, I think the negatives may be understated. I look askance at any dealer with less than 99% positive, and I absolutely won't buy from one at 98% or less. So the 94% rating on musicland takes them out the running for me.

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#1666482 - 04/25/11 06:52 PM Re: Help. Avant Grand N3 or RG3 ????? What "really" is the best [Re: Marky Mark]
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Registered: 02/22/07
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Loc: Banned
Warranties on these instruments are county/region specific.
You will have no warranty coverage in the UK of an instrument shipped grey market from the states, IIANM.

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#1666561 - 04/25/11 09:58 PM Re: Help. Avant Grand N3 or RG3 ????? What "really" is the best [Re: MacMacMac]
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Registered: 06/15/09
Posts: 238
Loc: Scotland, United Kingdom, Sol,...
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Since buyers are reluctant to give negative feedback for fear of seller retaliation, I think the negatives may be understated.


Sellers can't retaliate since ebay changed the rules on sellers leaving feedback (They can only leave positive feedback now)

That was introduced a year or so ago to stop that retaliation practice of negative for negative.

Still worth double, triple, quadruple checking sellers with expensive merchandise!


Edited by starbug (04/25/11 09:59 PM)

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#1667586 - 04/27/11 06:00 PM Re: Help. Avant Grand N3 or RG3 ????? What "really" is the best [Re: starbug]
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Right, im off this week so had time to nip into harrods to try the RG3F and RG1F. Loved the feel and tone, didnt like the build quality of the RG1F, the Roland Rep admitted they didnt sell "a lot of RG1's" as most people prefer the gloss black look !..

BTW, It appears the RG1&3F are nearing product end of life - next year the VGrand features\tone will be upgraded into the mid-end models. (this came from the Rep).. They are getting the first UK VGrand in just over a months time price around 17k... Not that i wish to pay 17k!

Harrods do not stock Yamaha digital's due to Rolands exclusivity,but he mentioned Chappels have the N3 etc....

Off to Chappels, no N3 on display - another due in next week, but they did have an N2..Again, loved the quality\finish and touch and i'd say was probably a fraction lighter than the Roland N3....

Ideally i'd have liked to have test both "side by side" so to speak, but again i couldnt fault the sound either....

I've found someone has an N3 for sale in the UK via another forumn so i've put an offer in, but wont get to hear until next week.....
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#1667840 - 04/28/11 04:37 AM Re: Help. Avant Grand N3 or RG3 ????? What "really" is the best [Re: Marky Mark]
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Mark, I know I suggested trying the N1 earlier in this thread. Has anyone here seen one in person? I'm asking because I'd like to know if the back of the piano is finished or if the piano is meant to be placed against the wall.

None of the photos at Yamaha's site (that I can find) show the backside of the cabinet.
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#1667842 - 04/28/11 04:42 AM Re: Help. Avant Grand N3 or RG3 ????? What "really" is the best [Re: Marky Mark]
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I thought I had spotted one at a funeral I attended recently, but it turned out it was just the coffin. grin

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#1668158 - 04/28/11 05:37 PM Re: Help. Avant Grand N3 or RG3 ????? What "really" is the best [Re: Marky Mark]
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Registered: 01/16/08
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Originally Posted By: Marky Mark
Right, im off this week so had time to nip into harrods to try the RG3F and RG1F. Loved the feel and tone, didnt like the build quality of the RG1F, the Roland Rep admitted they didnt sell "a lot of RG1's" as most people prefer the gloss black look !..

BTW, It appears the RG1&3F are nearing product end of life - next year the VGrand features\tone will be upgraded into the mid-end models. (this came from the Rep).. They are getting the first UK VGrand in just over a months time price around 17k... Not that i wish to pay 17k!

Harrods do not stock Yamaha digital's due to Rolands exclusivity,but he mentioned Chappels have the N3 etc....

Off to Chappels, no N3 on display - another due in next week, but they did have an N2..Again, loved the quality\finish and touch and i'd say was probably a fraction lighter than the Roland N3....

Ideally i'd have liked to have test both "side by side" so to speak, but again i couldnt fault the sound either....

I've found someone has an N3 for sale in the UK via another forumn so i've put an offer in, but wont get to hear until next week.....


I saw the same ad, and at the asking price I wouldn't hesitate further if hunting for an Avant Grand.
Located in Europe, I've been wanting to try one since last year but unable to find one at any dealer within a 600 mile drive. Will be in Montreal in a few weeks time and have located a dealer who normally has one on display. Should be interesting for a 'test drive'.
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#1672712 - 05/06/11 06:42 PM Re: Help. Avant Grand N3 or RG3 ????? What "really" is the best [Re: Marky Mark]
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Ok, One has been sourced at a very very good price, 4 months old from new, and yes it was the one advertised on the other forum.. View next Saturday, and shipped the following week - i cant wait smile
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#1672903 - 05/07/11 05:55 AM Re: Help. Avant Grand N3 or RG3 ????? What "really" is the best [Re: Dave Horne]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
Mark, I know I suggested trying the N1 earlier in this thread. Has anyone here seen one in person? I'm asking because I'd like to know if the back of the piano is finished or if the piano is meant to be placed against the wall.

None of the photos at Yamaha's site (that I can find) show the backside of the cabinet.


I tried it at a local youth club not fram from here. You do not have to place it against a wall. Didn't realize it was an N1 before after I had played though. I thought the keys were too heavy, and the lows too massive and the highs too dull.
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