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#1679112 - 05/17/11 01:44 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Jazz+]
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Yes. I hasten to add though, the picture of Charlie Brown showed him turning green which is a sure sign of being unwell.

I know this for absolute certainty because this happened to my sister on the "Pepsi-Max" Rollercoaster at Blackpool (UK).
My sister had eaten her usual dinnertime sustanence of Two halibuts and an average sized bag of chips. She was still holding her half eaten candy floss whilst on the rollercoaster.

I say "still holding" but technically it was stuck all over her face and hair owing in part to the forward motion of the rollercoaster, and to be fair also in part to her somewhat unorthodox eating habits.
In a nutshell, she went that exact same shade of green that Charlie seems to be, Immediately prior to showering the folk on the ground with her partially digested halibut.

I believe Charlie to not be on a rollercoaster in the video, neither do I understand him to be eating candy floss or Halibut.
I can only conlude that the reason for his turning an unearthly shade of deathly green be solely down to that particular piece of music.
It may be all those repeated high notes (possibly suggestive of a rollercoaster?) played on a piano that sounds much too "bright"
My Digital Piano once sounded too "bright" I was extremly worried about it because it cost £500 including the stand.

( It should have cost £580 and the stand should have cost £35. but the man in the music shop enjoyed talking to me about Mott The Hoople for ages and did me a good deal)

Anyways, getting back to the brightness issue on my piano, I was very worried, and then I saw a sliding control that said "brightness + or -"
well, can you imagine how happy that made me?
I toyed with the Idea of turning the brightness right up for devilment, but lacked the improvisational skills neccesary in this form of tomfoolery.

Needless to say, I turned it down, and have kept it that way since. I really like that control,it doesn't mess me about, (like my shoelaces do sometimes and cligfilm does allways)
and stays in the exact position I left it in, I feel this most satisfying for modern technology.

I like the sustain pedal on my piano as well, I dont use it all the time because there are laws about when to use it and when not too.
As an aside to mentioning that in the charlie brown piece the player may not have had access to a sustain pedal, did you know that folk sometimes think if you play motzart you should not use the sustain pedal?
Thats because in the past folk could not see the sustain pedal on motzarts pianos, they only looked in the obvious place.
Motzart was very clever though, he had a sneaky pedal operated by his knee!
That way, if one tried to copy what he was playing everyone would say " how awfull, nothing like motzart,all the notes are so stunted"

Back to the present, I know everyone will be happy and relieved to know by sister is feeling better.

I enclose a picture of charlie brown not listening to jazz.
I trust you agree he looks much better too, I fully understand he looks a bit cold, but it was winter and snowing.
There is no need to worry, he has what looks like an adequate coat on, and it's "character building" to play out in the snow. My Gran told me, my Gran makes lovely biscuits and I value her advise as much as she values her recipe , which she sticks to without improvising upon it ever.
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#1679213 - 05/17/11 08:32 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Well, what a return to the forum after a little break. What an entertaining thread. I can't believe I got through all 5 pages.

Oh, Hi Rostosky!

Now, here's a thought Sir, something that might be moderately entertaining for the rest of us now.

1) Setup a Web Cam. Find some place to stream it over the intardweb so we can all have a look
2) Find/buy a copy of Miles Davis' "Bitches Brew". Don't open it, don't play it....yet
3) Turn on Web Cam, start streaming so we can all watch
4) Listen to newly acquired Bitches Brew album.
5) Wait and watch with Much hilarity as Rostosky's head explodes. Should take about 2 to 3 minutes I think.

*Notes - If you can, get a few web cam's at different angles and see if someone can do some action replays for us!

OK, this is in jest as well. As you could have probably guessed, I like Jazz. I agree, there is quite a bit of Jazz not to like, but there is a lot to love. (BTW, I love Bitches Brew. It has an hypnotic rhythm that I just can't put my finger on!)

Do keep up the good work!
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#1679464 - 05/17/11 03:14 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: hoffy]
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Originally Posted By: hoffy
Well, what a return to the forum after a little break. What an entertaining thread. I can't believe I got through all 5 pages.

Oh, Hi Rostosky!
.

1) Setup a Web Cam. Find some place to stream it over the intardweb so we can all have a look
2) Find "Bitches Brew".

*Notes - If you can, get a few web cam's at different angles and see if someone can do some action replays for us!



Do keep up the good work!

Hya Hoffy, thanks.
To show my immediate gratitude, I have capitalised your user name, I know technically this is improvisation, but I will edit it back down to a lower case h if you prefer.

I took your suggestion on board and enquired of "the keeper of the financial accounts on sensible husband spending"

If an allowance could be made for a series or multitude of webcams.
Unfortunately, on this occasion the answer was rather negative. It would appear that paying this months water bill, and the imminent need for hoover bags has taken priority.Also the kitchen flourescent tube has gone, and it's not just the "starter" either and using a chip pan has become seriously hazardous, you only get to see the boiling oil for a milli-second once every 7 seconds, I feel confident that you will understnd this has become one of those things that "we better sort out soonish"
Also, I was reminded by the keeper of said accounts that there are no immediate available funds for "girl-toys" either, which I understood to mean shoes.

I did try, but didn't push as hard as usual because of the trouble you caused me with Angelica Housten.
I know it wasn't intentional, and may have been partly my fault.

What happened was this;
I navigated away from this forum with the unfortunate quote "Bitches brew" in my head.
By the time I got to youtube I inadvertantly improvised this to "witches brew" and then to "witches" and "Brew" and then obviously I had a brew and a cigerette.

Whilst I was thinking of "brew" I noticed a strange taste in my brew, with hindsight I should have washed the cup that I had used for washing my hair the night before, suffice to say that was the cause.

So back to youtube to follow up your excellent suggestion,and naturally I searched "strange brew" and found the wonderfull song you must have originally meant by Cream.
I am not the worlds biggest fan of eric clapton ( and didn't even bother to capitalise his name)
but I do like this song, and am immpressed that ginger baker has always looked the same for centuries.

Obviously I was listening to this whilst I went and looked up the "witches" part, I soon found "The Witches" film by roald dahl that you was refering to, and I must admit I totally agree that Angelica Housten does look fantastic in that movie.

Herin lies part of the problem, I think I may have got a little overexcited and too engrossed, because I asked the keeper of the houshold accounts on sensible husband spending, if she would dress up like Angelica Housten for fun Before asking about spare funds for webcams.

With hindsight I can now see the mistake in this.
I have actually made this mistake on a few previous occasions,
once I asked the keeper of the houshold accounts on sensible husband spending "will you dress up like Milla Jovovich for fun"
She immediately answered "only If I can chop off your head like Milla does to zombies in the films"

As you may imagine , this was not the anticipated outcome that I had in mind, so I was forced into saying "okay then shall we have some tea and biscuits instead?"

I did take some satisfaction in consuming one of the biscuits all to myself in the kitchen and then claiming there was only four left to share.
Just to recap on "strange brew" by Cream, I fully understand that some folk may believe this was an attempt to emulate the Beatles, but this was England in the 1960's and some folk were confused.
As an aside eric clpton went on to make one more good song it was called "layla" a lot of folk liked this song.
Unfortunately, later on in life eric decided to make another version of "layla" which was awfull, so unless one is familier with the first version, it's probably best to assume that eric didn't actually go on to make "one more good song" at all.
















Edited by Rostosky (05/17/11 03:19 PM)
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#1681788 - 05/20/11 08:49 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Simple answer: you haven't listened to enough Oscar Peterson smile

Also, you like it more when you study and learn the structure of the music.

So, here's something that will give you a little of both:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec-FrnaU0rs&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Jazz is a tough style to dismiss entirely. Like any style, there' bad and good. Trust me though: there's some really good jazz once you find the genre(s) that appeal to you.

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#1681806 - 05/20/11 09:14 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Coltrane59]
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S'more Oscar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swLnc_KSm4Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Watch with care though or your head might explode.

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#1681869 - 05/20/11 11:57 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Coltrane59]
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Originally Posted By: Coltrane59
S'more Oscar:

Watch with care though or your head might explode.


Guys, I really don't want to be pedantic, or be seen to be "Nit-picking" but I have every reason to fear my head exploding again, especially after the last infamous time it happened.
That fact that folk keep telling me to watch or listen with "care" does not allay my fears.
I like my head, yes it is not perfect, yes it has "blemishes" and goes to a slightly "pointy" crest on top, but it is my
head and I like it. (mostly) The doctors warned me most severly against suffereing future explosions even minor ones.

At the moment I am slightly more worried about judgement day and the implications this may have for me personally owing to some dubious lifestyle choices.

I am at present trying to decide if the "rapture" will happen all at once all over the world, or if it will go on a "time zone" basis, or indeed if it will happen like some sort of "Holy mexican wave" sweeping accross the world in a visually stunning but macabre display of the dead rising.

I am toying with the idea of rubbing muddy earth all over my face and body so as to appear allready dead and judged.

My doctor once warned me of the possible negative affects of constantly running these fears through my mind.
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#1953301 - 09/03/12 09:50 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Interesting thread. I'm just as puzzled why I like improvisational music with no discernible melody. Maybe it has to do with positive associations: my father taking me to hear Willie Bobo and Mongo Santamaria at Echo Park when I was a child, listening to Sarah Vaughn scat with the LA Philharmonic when I young and in love, a soundtrack to some of my most wonderful experiences.

Then again, I also have wonderful memories of "Uncle" Milton Babbitt. I worked at the library where he put music on reserve for his students. He was a sweet, kind man, but I found much of his music unlistenable, all the while full aware of his genius.

Is it tonality? I worked at Schoenberg Hall, and I liked his music too. I like twelve tone, whole tone, atonal, no-tonal music. Like Charles Ives, I delight in dissonance.

Is it the seeming arbitrary quality of the music? I like the chance compositions of John Cage -- It was always a treat cataloging his scores. And reportedly, Keith Jarrett doesn't know what he's going to play until it leaves his fingers.

Is it the lyric nature of melody? I like Beethoven and Sondheim when they are the least hummable, although most folks like an identifiable tune. I remember hearing Henri Lazarof complain about Zubin Mehta not putting contemporary composers (like him) on the program. I think I know why.

In short, different strokes for different folks. This may have more to do with my own personal psychology, the nature of preference, than any logical rule.

So maybe I'll give Philomel another listen.
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#1953348 - 09/03/12 11:46 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Don't use "whilst," it's pretentious.

Overall your little narrative/commentary appeared a little ostentatious and pedantic.

However aside from that it was definitely creative and enjoyable.

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#1953394 - 09/03/12 01:20 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: eNOTEquest]
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Originally Posted By: eNOTEquest
Don't use "whilst," it's pretentious.



No, what is pretentious is either (a.) Jazz. OR (b.) correcting folks grammar / spelling/ choice of words to suit how one thinks the narrative should have been written, assuming of course that one could have written it oneself in the first place . ( but didnt probably due to a jazz related retardation malady)

This is a music forum, not an English language examination.
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#1953639 - 09/04/12 01:35 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Originally Posted By: Rostosky

Thats how much it actually "jars" in my brain.
The experimental music of tangerine dream and pink floyd as well as the velvet underground never had that effect upon me.
I have never heard Eric Saties vexations in their full "repeat 800 times" entirety, but I would rather than this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HN3nS5rUNs



Wow, I expected to see an exotic way-out-there Ornette Coleman video, not this MJQ piece with gorgeous harmony and melodic quality as your example of crap. I really think that musical taste comes down to a sense of rhythm. If you can't feel the rhythm in your musical soul, all other efforts of discovering melody and musical meaning will fail. If the groove that MJQ sets out in that piece does not set a flicker in your heart you have 0.0% chance of ever appreciating that music. The same is true for Rap or Polka or Nocturnes. For instance, all of us who love Rock can hum for you the note-for- note the improvised guitar solo to Reeling-in-the-Years by Steely Dan. All of us who love Jazz can hum for you note-for-note the improvised solos from All Blues by Miles Davis. Nobody who is drawn to the rhythm is deterred by collaborative instrumentation. The vast majority of humans can now no longer stomach the gorgeous melodies of classical music, why?: the rhythm.
I would bet a small fortune that those that can only abide classical melodies would find a completely improvised string quartet quite delightful. I would say, if you want to understand why you hate jazz (you are not alone!) understand your sense of rhythm. Jazz AND Classical are two of the most ubiquitously despised forms of music on the planet, and the reason is the same: The rhythm is not not talking to people today...
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#1953739 - 09/04/12 09:54 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Can't believe I just read this whole thread. Not sure why it was revived, but I find it oddly fascinating. Personally, I have loved jazz since since I could count my age on my fingers especially the improvisation. It was never an acquired taste, simply love at first listen. (I can't play it yet, but that is a new project in my life.) I believe Rotosky genuinely doesn't like the music (not just certain genres) since it is the improvisation that he despises. His post of MJQ has convinced me. What I can't understand is why the music doesn't thrill some people the way it does me, but I certainly don't thing people should force themselves to acquire a taste or appreciation for an art form that doesn't speak to them. I must confess there is almost nothing on my wife's iPod that I would go out of my way to listen to, and most of it I frankly cant stand. Mostly 80s pop but also some newer stuff. She genuinely loves it though and has a hard time understanding when I don't love some new tune she discovered on the radio. To me, there are no surprises in any of that music. Simple harmonies, repetitive rhythm, same thing over and over again. To me, a good improvised solo is like a good dish at a Michelin rated restaurant which combines favors in a new and delightful way. I also love the complex harmonies used in jazz by some of the best musicians. My ears just need to be surprised. By the way, I also get bored by a lot of the classical music played by our commercial classical station, but put on a good Chopin Nocturne or Étude and the thrill is back.
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#1953750 - 09/04/12 10:44 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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This thread seems to come and go, and is certainly on the go this week.

I had a look at my reply way back in May 2011, and felt I could come back and just add that my perspectives are shifting.

I said before that I found some jazz irritatingly repetitive or irritatingly unrepetitive.

What I now realize is that it isn't particularly JAZZ I dislike, it is ANY music that is repetitive or unpredictable. It doesn't have to be "jazz"!

Three times over the past weekend I found that we had the radio on (to pop stations) and I was thinking "wow, this is a boring song, it is just the same thing over and over and over"...

But then I also tend not to enjoy music by Einaudi or Einaudi-type music either (sorry Einaudi lovers smile I can appreciate the effort and skill that goes into playing them, but they aren't my cup of tea ) But neither are the Monk pieces I've been hearing in the ABF recitals lately....

That got me to thinking about "classical" pieces - to use the term broadly. I tend not to like dissonance, especially if it is a "surprise".

However, my exposure to so much more music over the past three years, mostly suggestions from people here in PW, and the fact that I seem to listen differently, really does seem to be encouraging me to relax, and rather than get cranky and tense I'm more inclined to keep listening. There are times when I realize..ok, that's enough, this grates on my ear...and other times when I feel like I'm getting glimmer of something rather enjoyable.

My horizons are expanding.

I think I can compare this to the art world too. I'm pretty conservative. I like pictures to look like pictures. Abstract art can be a colourful presentation of ..whatever, but it doesn't speak to me in the way a painted depiction of something real does.

Saying "I don't like jazz" is too broad a statement for me. Just like people who say "I don't like classical music".

Anyway, to each her own. I'm not trying to convince anyone, just updating my own musical journey and how I perceive things.
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#1953760 - 09/04/12 11:13 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Originally Posted By: Rostosky
I bet some folk would be stunned at some of the music I love..



???
Such as?
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#1954044 - 09/04/12 11:51 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: casinitaly]
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Originally Posted By: casinitaly
I had a look at my reply way back in May 2011, and felt I could come back and just add that my perspectives are shifting.


heh. Your reply prompted me to go back and read *my* reply from way back in May 2011:

Originally Posted By: gahdzila
modern jazz.....I just don't get it. The abstract, dischordant, spontaneous stuff that follows no perceivable pattern. The stuff that is played live in bars full of silent Frenchmen smoking long cigarettes and wearing scarfs in the summer and sunglasses at night. The stuff that sounds like each band member is just tooting out a note once in a while to make his presence known. That stuff.

I'm with ya, bro. I don't get it either.


My opinion hasn't changed smile

My teacher assigned me a piano arrangement of "Night Train.". I tried for two weeks before I relented and gave up. I couldn't make it sound right.....probably because I wanted to gouge my eyeballs out every time I tried to practice it. And this is a piece that I actually don't terribly mind listening to, if it's played well. Turns out, I hate *playing* jazz even worse than listening to it.

No offense, jazz afficionados! I appreciate what you're doing musically, I appreciate your talent and your skill, and I fully acknowledge that my dislike of jazz may very well be rooted in my own shortcomings in being unable to wrap my brain around it. But...it just ain't my cup of tea.

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#1954075 - 09/05/12 02:44 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: gahdzila]
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[quote=gahdzila Turns out, I hate *playing* jazz even worse than listening to it.
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That's interesting because I've got a few beginners books for Jazz and blues and I find I actually get a huge kick out of playing it! (at my limited level!!!)
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#1954112 - 09/05/12 04:38 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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if you dont like jazz, wait until you meet a jazz musician, they seem friendly at first but if things isn't going their way they will probably kill you

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#1954149 - 09/05/12 08:26 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Elkayem]
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Originally Posted By: Elkayem
Personally, I have loved jazz since since I could count my age on my fingers


Are you saying that if I learned to count my age on my fingers I would suddenly love jazz?

Classic quote: gahdzilla... "My opinion hasnt changed" lol, neither has mine, actually it has a bit, before, I just hated jazz because it makes me feel ill when I hear it, but since the "supermarket incident" I now feel that there should be high visibility written warnings whilst it is being played even at negligable decibel levels.

( If you noticed I said "whilst" again, that is because it is a legitimate word in the Oxford dictionary and is not an "improvisation" on the english language in the way the words "sidewalk" "fender" and "muffler" are.")

The supermarket incident of 4th january 1979.

I had to do a weeks shopping at Morrisons ( slightly dearer than tescos and Asda but better quality halibut and turnips)

Armed with a trolley and enough money I started about my business..I started in the vegatable isle, but then the shopping jazz started to come out of the supermarkets loudspeakers.

This made me so physically ill and mentally tormented that I just filled my trolley to the top with Butternut squashes.

When I got to the checkout, not only had I inadvertently deprived every other shopper of their chance to purchase a butternut squash, but also I had made myself look like some kind of pervert.

Jazz did this to me, I will not forget or forgive.
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#1954163 - 09/05/12 09:13 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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I find it very hard to believe that Morrisons sold fancy-pants southerners' vegetables like butternut squashes in 1979...

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#1954290 - 09/05/12 02:17 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: KeemaNan]
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Originally Posted By: KeemaNan
I find it very hard to believe that Morrisons sold fancy-pants southerners' vegetables like butternut squashes in 1979...


Are you suggesting that the "jazz incident" actually happened in 1989, and that it is worse than at first thought, vis a vis such a small amount of jazz stole ten years of my life from me?
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#1954641 - 09/06/12 07:53 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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hey no big deal, I love jazz but hate classical, country, rap. So to each their own.

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#1954644 - 09/06/12 07:59 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Another thing, jazz can encompass so many things that you really need to be specific. I don't even like certain kinds of jazz like old waltzes or swing tunes, and I consider myself a jazz musician.

Many pop stars have a jazz influence.

Sting is a good example. Many of his sidemen were proper jazz players, Branford Marsalis, Kenny Kirkland, Jason Rebello...

Jamie Cullum, Norah Jones.... they aren't jazz but you can tell they know it.

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#1954656 - 09/06/12 08:20 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: WiZeM@N]
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Originally Posted By: WiZeM@N
Another thing, jazz can encompass so many things that you really need to be specific. .


You are absolutely correct, so here it is:

I specifically do not like jazz.
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#1954672 - 09/06/12 09:06 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Originally Posted By: Rostosky


You are absolutely correct, so here it is:

I specifically do not like jazz.



That tells me nothing. give me specific examples of musicians or jazz songs you don't like. Oscar Peterson and Wayne Shorter are both jazz, but sound completely different. Herbie Hancock is jazz but plays pop too.

Some people think Kenny G is jazz! Or Miles Davis.

Not sure why you even started this thread, if you don't like jazz just move on. No one's forcing you to listen to it. There's lots of music I don't like, but I'd rather focus on the stuff I do. I suggest the same for you.

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#1954676 - 09/06/12 09:13 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: WiZeM@N]
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That tells me nothing. give me specific examples of musicians or jazz songs you don't like.


Seeing as you asked so nicely, here is a quick abreviated list of just the jazz musicians I dont like, for jazz noises ( what jazz types call "songs" there is a longer list)

Here you go...

List of jazz musicians
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This is a list of jazz musicians on whom Wikipedia has articles.
Contents

1 Giants of Jazz
2 By period
2.1 Early jazz musicians
2.2 Swing era
2.3 Modern innovators
2.4 Jazz fusion
3 By instrument
3.1 Accordion
3.2 Bagpipes
3.3 Banjo
3.4 Bass
3.5 Cello
3.6 Clarinet
3.7 Cornet
3.8 Drums
3.9 Flute
3.10 French horn
3.11 Guitar
3.12 Guitar Synthesizer
3.13 Harmonica
3.14 Harp
3.15 Multi-instrumentalists
3.16 Organ
3.17 Piano
3.18 Saxophone
3.19 Trombone
3.20 Trumpet
3.21 Flugelhorn
3.22 Vibraphone
3.23 Violin
3.24 Vocal
4 References

Giants of Jazz
Main article: Jazz royalty

By Birthdate
Instrumentalists

Scott Joplin (1868–1917)
Charles “Buddy” Bolden (1877–1931)
Duke Ellington (1899–1974)
Louis Armstrong (1901–71)
Earl Hines (1903–83)
Fats Waller (1904–43)
Count Basie (1904–84)
Benny Goodman (1909–86)
Art Tatum (1909–56)
Sun Ra (1914–93)
Thelonious Monk (1917–82)
Dizzy Gillespie (1917–93)
Clark Terry (born 1920)
Charlie Parker (1920–55)
Dave Brubeck (born 1920)
Charles Mingus (1922–79)
Oscar Peterson (1925–2007)
Miles Davis (1926–91)
John Coltrane (1926–67)
Chet Baker (1929–88)
Ornette Coleman (born 1930)

Vocalists

Louis Armstrong (1901–71)
Billie Holiday (1915–59)
Ella Fitzgerald (1917–96)
Dinah Washington (1924-63)
Sarah Vaughan (1924–90)
Nina Simone (1933-2003)

By period
Early jazz musicians

Louis Armstrong (1901–71)
Sidney Bechet (1897–1959)
Bix Beiderbecke (1903–31)
Buddy Bolden (1877–1930)
Earl Hines (1903–83)
Bunk Johnson (1879/1889–1949)
Nick LaRocca (1889–1961) & the members of the "Original Dixieland Jazz Band"
Jelly Roll Morton (1890–1941)
Joe "King" Oliver (1885–1938)
Red Nichols (1905–65)

Swing era

Count Basie (1904–84)
Cab Calloway (1907–94)
Benny Carter (1907–2003)
Charlie Christian (1918–42)
Jimmy Dorsey (1904–57)
Tommy Dorsey (1905–56)
Duke Ellington (1899–1974)
Benny Goodman (1909–86)
Coleman Hawkins (1904–69)
Fletcher Henderson (1897–1952)
Earl Hines (1903–83)
Johnny Hodges (1907–70)
Dick Johnson (1925–2010)
Jay McShann (1916–2006)
Glenn Miller (1904–44)
George Paxton (1914–89)
Artie Shaw (1910–2004)
Clark Terry (born 1920)
Fats Waller (1904–43)
Ben Webster (1909–73)
Paul Whiteman (1890–1967)
Lester Young (1909–1959)

Modern innovators

Toshiko Akiyoshi (born 1929)
Chet Baker (1929–88)
Dave Brubeck (born 1920)
Ornette Coleman (born 1930)
John Coltrane (1926–67)
Chick Corea (born 1941)
Miles Davis (1926–91)
Bill Evans (1929–80)
Gil Evans (1912–88)
Maynard Ferguson (1928–2006)
Dizzy Gillespie (1917–93)
Dexter Gordon (1923-90)
Chico Hamilton (born 1921)
Herbie Hancock (born 1940)
Joe Harriott (1928–73)
Thad Jones (1923–86)
Mark Kramer (born 1945)
Fela Kuti (1938–97)
Shelly Manne (1920–1984)
Frank Marocco (born 1931)
Jackie McLean (1931–2006)
Charles Mingus (1922–79)
Marcus Miller (born 1959)
Thelonious Monk (1917–82)
Charlie Parker (1920–55)
Oscar Peterson (1925–07)
Bud Powell (1924–66)
Louis Prima (1910–78)
Sun Ra (1914–93)
Max Roach (1924–2007)
Sonny Rollins (born 1930)
Wayne Shorter (born 1933)
Peter Sprague (born 1955)
Sonny Stitt (1924–1982)
Ira Sullivan (born 1931)
Cal Tjader (1925–1982)
Clark Terry (born 1920)
Dhafer Youssef (born 1967)

Jazz fusion
Main article: List of jazz fusion artists
By instrument
Accordion

Luciano Biondini
Richard Galliano (born 1950)
Pete Jolly
Frank Marocco (1931-2012)
Mat Mathews
George Shearing
Art Van Damme (1920–2010)

Bagpipes

Rufus Harley (1936–2006)
James Rivers (?- present)

Banjo

Jimmy Mazzy
Béla Fleck (born 1958)

Bass
Main article: List of jazz bassists

Arild Andersen (born 1945)
Don Bagley (1927–2012)
Max Bennett (born 1928)
Keter Betts (1928–2005)
Jimmy Blanton (1918–1942)
Richard Bona (born 1967)
Wellman Braud (1891–1966
Brian Bromberg (born 1960)
Ray Brown (1926–2002)
Steve Brown (born 1942)
Ron Carter (born 1937)
Paul Chambers (1935–1969)
Stanley Clarke (born 1951)
Bill Crow (born 1927)
Art Davis (1934–2007)
Richard Davis (born 1930)
Ray Drummond (born 1946)
Jimmy Earl (born 1957)
Pops Foster (1892–1969)
Eddie Gomez (born 1944)
Jimmy Garrison (1933–1976)
Vivien Garry (died 2008)
Coleridge Goode (born 1914)
Henry Grimes (born 1935)
Charlie Haden (born 1937)
Stuart Hamm (born 1960)
Milt Hinton (1910–2000)
Dave Holland (born 1946)
Chubby Jackson (1918–2003)
Bill Johnson (double-bassist) (1872–1972)
Red Kelly (born 1927)
Scott La Faro (1936–1961)
Wendell Marshall (1920–2002)
Cecil McBee (born 1935)
Christian McBride (born 1972)
Ron McClure (born 1941)
Pierre Michelot (1928–2005)
Marcus Miller (born 1959)
Charles Mingus (1922–1979)
Red Mitchell (1927–1992)
Joe Mondragon (1920–1987)
George Mraz (born 1944)
William Parker (born 1952)
Jaco Pastorius (1951–1987)
John Patitucci (born 1959)
Gary Peacock (born 1935)
Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen (1946–2005)
Oscar Pettiford (1922–1960)
Terry Plumeri (born 1945)
Pino Presti (born 1943)
Rocco Prestia (born 1951)
Sage Reynolds
Steve Rodby (born 1954)
Clarence Seay (born 1957)
Patrick Scales (born 1965)
Esperanza Spalding (born 1984)
Slam Stewart (1914–1987)
Brian Q. Torff (born 1954)
Miroslav Vitouš (born 1947)
Eberhard Weber (born 1940)
Gary Willis (born 1957)
Eugene Wright (born 1923)

Cello

Matt Brubeck
Oscar Pettiford
Mark Summer

Clarinet

Woody Allen (born 1935)
Craig Ball
Barney Bigard
Don Byron
Evan Christopher
Anat Cohen
Eddie Daniels
Kenny Davern
Buddy DeFranco
Johnny Dodds
Irving Fazola
Pete Fountain (born 1930)
Victor Goines
Benny Goodman (1909–86)
Edmond Hall
Jimmy Hamilton
Woody Herman
Peanuts Hucko
Michael Marcus
Ken Peplowski
Woody Herman
Sid Phillips
Russell Procope
Pee Wee Russell
Tony Scott
Artie Shaw
Putte Wickman
Lester Young

Cornet

Nat Adderley (1931–2000)
Louis Armstrong (1901–71)
Bix Beiderbecke (1903–31)
Buddy Bolden (1877–1931)
Bobby Hackett
Jeff Hughes
Red Nichols (1905–65)
Rex Stewart
Chris Tyle
Steamboat Willie

Drums
Main article: list of jazz drummers
Flute

Don Burrows
Peter Guidi
Paul Horn
Rahsaan Roland Kirk (1935–77)
Moe Koffman
Hubert Laws (born 1939)
Yusef Lateef (born 1920)
Herbie Mann (1930–2003)
Bill McBirnie
James Moody
Sam Most
James Newton
Sam Rivers (born 1923)
Bud Shank
Les Spann
Jeremy Steig
Dave Valentin
Frank Wess

French horn

John Clark
Junior Collins
Willie Ruff
Tom Varner
Julius Watkins

Guitar
Main article: list of jazz guitarists

Laurindo Almeida
Paul Bollenback
George Benson
Kenny Burrell
Royce Campbell
Larry Carlton
Dan Faehnle
Tal Farlow
Jim Ferguson
Scott Fields
Grant Green (1935–79)
Tiny Grimes
Vic Juris
Barney Kessel (1923–2004)
Earl Klugh (born 1954)
Mundell Lowe
Pat Metheny
Oscar Moore
Wes Montgomery (1923–68)
Bucky Pizzarelli
John Pizzarelli
Jimmy Raney
Django Reinhardt (1910–53)
Emily Remler (1957–90)
Sal Salvador
Johnny Smith
Les Spann
Peter Sprague (born 1955)
Chuck Wayne
Jack Wilkins

Guitar Synthesizer

Adrian Belew
John McLaughlin (musician)
Pat Metheny (born 1954)
Peter Sprague (born 1955)

Harmonica

Eddie Shu
Toots Thielemans

Harp

Dorothy Ashby
Alice Coltrane
Corky Hale

Multi-instrumentalists

Mose Allison (piano, trumpet)
Dee Barton (trombone, drums)
Count Basie (piano, organ)
Sidney Bechet (1897–1959), (clarinet, soprano sax, trumpet, bass, drums)
Larry Bunker (drums, vibes)
Jaki Byard (1922–99), (alto sax, piano)
Benny Carter (1907–2003), (alto sax, trumpet)
Ron Carter (bass, piccolo bass)
Ray Charles (piano, alto sax)
Ornette Coleman (alto sax, violin, trumpet)
Alice Coltrane (1937–2007), (piano, organ, harp)
Eric Dolphy (1928–64), (bass clarinet, clarinet, flute, alto sax)
Don Ellis (trumpet, drums)
Bob Enevoldsen (trombone, tenor sax, bass)
Victor Feldman (1934–87), (piano, vibraphone, conga drum)
Johnny Frigo (violin, bass)
Tyree Glenn (trombobne, vibes)
Corky Hale (piano, harp)
Lionel Hampton (vibes, drums, piano)
Tubby Hayes (tenor sax, clarinet, vibes)
Daryl Hayott (born 1960), (bass, drums, guitar, keyboards, trumpet)
Milt Jackson (vibes, guitar, piano)
Dick Johnson (1925–2010) (clarinet, alto saxophone, flute)
Pete Jolly (piano, accordion)
Rahsaan Roland Kirk (flute, nose flute, tenor saxophone, manzello, stritch, 'black mystery pipes', clarinet, gong, percussion)
Yusef Lateef (tenor sax, flute, oboe, many other woodwinds)
Marcus Miller (born 1959), (bass, bass clarinet, saxophone, keyboards, guitar)
Ray Nance (1913–76), (trumpet, violin)
Hermeto Pascoal (Keyboards, button accordion, melodica, saxophone, others)
Oscar Pettiford (bass, cello)
Danny Richmond (drums, saxophone)
Adrian Rollini (vibes, bass saxophone)
Willie Ruff (French horn, bass)
Helge Schneider (saxophones, clarinet, piano, trumpet, drums)
Tony Scott (clarinet, baritone sax, guitar, piano)
George Shearing (piano, accordion)
Eddie Shu (trumpet, tenor sax, harmonica)
Les Spann (flute, guitar)
Ira Sullivan (trumpet, saxophones, flute, flugelhorn, others)
John Surman (saxes, clarinets, piano, synthesizer)
Jean "Toots" Thielemans (guitar, harmonica)
Mel Torme (piano, drums)
Tommy Vig (vibraharp, drums, percussion)
Mike Zwerin (1930–2010) (trombone, bass trumpet)

Organ

Alice Coltrane (1937–2007)
Joey DeFrancesco
Barbara Dennerlein (Hammond-B3, synthesizer, real pipes)
Bill Doggett
Charles Earland (1941–99)
Dan Fogel (Hammond-B3 organ)
Larry Goldings
Richard "Groove" Holmes
Jack McDuff (1926–2001)
Amina Claudine Myers (born 1942)
John Patton
Trudy Pitts
Sun Ra (1914–93)
Melvin Rhyne
Ray Charles Robinson (1930–2004)(Piano)
Rhoda Scott (born 1938)
Shirley Scott (1934–2002)
Jimmy Smith
Lonnie Smith
Lonnie Liston Smith (born 1940)
Fats Waller (1904–43)
Harold Ivory Williams Jr. (organ, keyboard, piano, sitar)
Reuben Wilson
Larry Young

Piano
Main article: list of jazz pianists
Saxophone
Main article: list of jazz saxophonists
Trombone
Main article: list of jazz trombonists
Trumpet
Main article: List of jazz trumpeters
Flugelhorn

Art Farmer
Dmitri Matheny
Woody Shaw
Clark Terry (born 1920)
Kenny Wheeler

Vibraphone

Peter Appleyard
Roy Ayers
Larry Bunker
Gary Burton
Teddy Charles
Warren Chiasson
John Cocuzzi
Walt Dickerson
Tyree Glenn
Stefon Harris
Lionel Hampton
Tubby Hayes
Jay Hoggard
Bobby Hutcherson
Marjorie Hyams
Milt Jackson
Joe Locke
Max Miller
Steve Nelson
Red Norvo
Terry Pollard
Chuck Redd
Emil Richards
Joe Roland
Adrian Rollini
Jerry Tachoir
Cal Tjader
Tommy Vig
Dinah Washington
James Westfall

Violin
Further information: Musical styles (violin)

Billy Bang (born 1947)
Regina Carter (born 1966)
Ornette Coleman
Mark Feldman (born 1955)
Johnny Frigo
Stéphane Grappelli (1908–97)
Valentin Gregor (born 1963)
Joe Kennedy
Didier Lockwood (born 1956)
Ray Nance (1913–76)
Florin Niculescu (born 1967)
Jean-Luc Ponty (born 1942)
Stuff Smith (1909–67)
Ginger Smock (1920–95)
Eddie South (1904–62)
Joe Venuti (1903–78)
Noel Webb (born 1958)
Michael White (born 1933)
Claude Williams (1908–2004)
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#1954677 - 09/06/12 09:16 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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On another note, having clicked your link to have a listen, I gotta say I HATE your music. Sounds horrible man.

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#1954679 - 09/06/12 09:20 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Dude I think you got mental problems. I lived in the UK and met some really weird people. Some Brits have quirky and odd habits. You are telling me you listened to all those artists? Good grief grow up and get a life man.

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#1954699 - 09/06/12 09:44 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: WiZeM@N]
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Originally Posted By: WiZeM@N
On another note, having clicked your link to have a listen, I gotta say I HATE your music. Sounds horrible man.


I am happy that you do not like my music, it is not intended for jazzicians.

However, it is liked by a prior organist at Westminster cathedral who holds a licentiateship from the RCM.

When I considered for .006 of a second whos opinion on my music to defer to, I realised you may be at a disadvantage, what with not having written any masses that have been accepted by the church like he has, for example.

But (like most jazz musicians) I am sure you know best.
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#1954709 - 09/06/12 09:58 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: WiZeM@N]
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Originally Posted By: WiZeM@N
Not sure why you even started this thread


Because he's a troll. He's having a little fun ruffling your feathers.

We keep him around because he's a semi-likeable troll and his jokes are occasionally somewhat funny laugh

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#1954714 - 09/06/12 10:03 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: gahdzila]
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Originally Posted By: gahdzila
Originally Posted By: WiZeM@N
Not sure why you even started this thread


Because he's a troll. He's having a little fun ruffling your feathers.

We keep him around because he's a semi-likeable troll and his jokes are occasionally somewhat funny laugh


highly unlikely, RST has two and a quarter MILLION views and 5,600+ replies, folks do not usually go to this extent to humour trolls.


Stop trying to raise your post count up to mine with unfounded accusations. lol.
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#1954738 - 09/06/12 10:37 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Hey, no offense intended! 2hearts I did say "semi-likeable" and "occasionally funny"!

As for the post count, I don't think you're in any danger of losing that title to me. wink

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