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#1956320 - 09/09/12 10:20 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: KlinkKlonk]
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Originally Posted By: KlinkKlonk
Originally Posted By: KlinkKlonk
you still haven't answered my question, and am I right to assume you recognize the cultural and social importance of jazz?


No you are not right to assume this.

I do however recognise the cultural and social importance of Jazz to other people.

But to me, in my culture it has no place and it has no social importance, as none of the people I socialise with like it either, if they did, I would not be socialising with them often, and definately not at nightime when it may be nearest.
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#1956321 - 09/09/12 10:22 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: dire tonic]
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Originally Posted By: dire tonic


- why should anyone answer your daft questions?

...and who is 'we' in your enquiry?



Who is daft, you or your duck?

When I say "we" I mean the powers of the universe that preside over all musical and spiritual knowledge.

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#1956322 - 09/09/12 10:25 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Rosto you chicken hawk. You all talk and no walk. I bet you can't even harmonize "happy birthday"

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#1956331 - 09/09/12 10:33 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Dude, be my guest, go away ( not too far in case you cannot find your way back) and do a jazz impro on happy birthday, in fact dress up like marylin monroe herself and do a jazz impro on happy birthday for your beloved president.

But please no more Pm's asking me to dinner at Ronnie scots, I am not going and do not have to explain why I am hetrosexual to you or anyone else, as lady ga ga said " I was born this way"

Pleading with me over and over is degrading, like I said, I feel confident that you will find a partner for yourself one day, one that shares your unnatural love of jazz and other things, have you tried in the local jazz clubs yet?
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#1956332 - 09/09/12 10:33 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: WiZeM@N]
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This is like the return of Clayts with some mis-guided education...

wink

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#1956333 - 09/09/12 10:36 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Or with added punctuation? lol.
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#1956337 - 09/09/12 10:40 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
WiZeM@N Offline
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Figures this guy is a chicken. won't even post a video up to share his music. Don't flatter yourself, my dog wouldn't go out with you.

This dude is a classic narcissist, notice how he never asks for advice or humbly suggests anything.

He only loves one thing, the sound of his voice. I sure wouldn't want to be you in real life my friend. Peace out homeboy. We DONE.

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#1956340 - 09/09/12 10:46 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
KlinkKlonk Offline
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Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Originally Posted By: KlinkKlonk
Originally Posted By: KlinkKlonk
you still haven't answered my question, and am I right to assume you recognize the cultural and social importance of jazz?


No you are not right to assume this.

I do however recognise the cultural and social importance of Jazz to other people.

But to me, in my culture it has no place and it has no social importance, as none of the people I socialise with like it either, if they did, I would not be socialising with them often, and definately not at nightime when it may be nearest.


the rythm of jazz and the backbeat changed all popular music forever. the music is african americanised, there's no escaping that fact. i agree with you that other genres are just as important and takes just as much skill and intelligence to conceptualize. if the music has a message and urgency it will move people regardless,

just out of curiousity, what do you think of this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uRnvMwD6jM

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#1956427 - 09/09/12 01:52 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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I looked at the clip Klinkklonk, I watched till 1.43 seconds... My opinion on jazz is flawed so I cannot comment on the music itself,
However,

I ask that you just look at the girl in the audience who can be seen from approx 52 seconds in...

she is just to the left of the stylophone player.......

Just look at her face, is this the face of someone having a good time? I suggest not, in other words if you had a girlfriend who used that expression just after coitus, you would be left feeling inadequate.

then look at the guy to her immediate left, he has gone to sleep !

they say a picture paints a thousand words...........


Edited by Rostosky (09/09/12 01:53 PM)
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#1956429 - 09/09/12 01:55 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
Scott Coletta Offline
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Loc: Chicago
Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Didnt you ever hear any one say "I have a dream?"

Well, I too have a dream, I have a dream and in that dream, there is a world where I dont ever get to hear jazz, not on telly, not on the radio, not in pubs, and not in supermarkets when I am shopping.

I am entitled to my dream.


My dream is that someday we can all recognize that we are not separate from each other. Here is a quote...

“The ultimate metaphysical secret, if we dare to state it so simply, is that there are no boundaries in the universe. Boundaries are illusions, products not of reality but of the way we map and edit reality. And while it is fine to map out the territory, it is fatal to confuse the two.” - Ken Wilber

We human beings are part of the universe. We should look deeply into what it means to be a "being". If we can find our true selves... the consciousness of our being... that which is present in everything, we can recognize that we are everything and everything is us. Our sense of separation dissolves and we are left with peace, understanding, and compassion for all beings. Boundaries are useful in helping us navigate our interpretation of reality, but if we believe those boundaries are real, we will believe that we are separated and we'll feel insecure. Ironically, when we feel insecure, we defend or support ourselves by establishing more boundaries... this is good, this is bad, I love this, I hate that. This of course only serves to perpetuate the problem.

We are all guilty of this. We owe it to ourselves to wake up and find a way out of this mess. Because deep down, we are all the same. We all have needs and we all want to feel secure and be happy, yet we are all suffering. Let's stop adding to the suffering.

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#1956441 - 09/09/12 02:06 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Scott, I hear what you are saying dude and I have taken enough Lsd in my time to believe you are correct, but I have a personality disorder that manifests itself worse when I hear jazz.

I think my mam had a classical womb rather than one of these new fangled jazzy types of womb that modern women are opting for, blame it on sex in the city i say.
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#1956450 - 09/09/12 02:21 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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the audience is english what do you expect, however I'm still convinced there has to be a way to get you to at least appreciate what jazz musicians are all about, considered the common rythmn and blues roots it shares with rock. if you like rock

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#1956462 - 09/09/12 02:43 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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You guys realize Rosto-whatever is owning you all by stroking his ego on an internet website under the guise of "hating jazz" right?

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#1956466 - 09/09/12 02:51 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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no human being owns another human being, anyways I thought you said you were done?
yep you are suspected of being the same person.
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#1956626 - 09/09/12 09:03 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Uh oh...! Over four hours and nothing on this thread.

What happened, Rossy?
Did you Basset Hound get tired of posting arguments with a fake ID for discussions sake?
You know that dog is smarter than all of us.
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#1956682 - 09/09/12 11:25 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: WiZeM@N]
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Originally Posted By: WiZeM@N
Here's exhibit A: Rosto hijacking a thread and insulting the poster simply because it's "jazz".

www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1923893/Re:%20How%20To%20Get%20Started%20Learnin.html#Post1923893

This isn't merely exercising your free speech about not liking jazz. This is a deliberate attempt to undermine a musician on this forum who is trying to help others learn jazz with some free advice.

So tell me again Rosto, are you a real musician or not?


For reference, here is a clickable link to the thread referred to above: Link to thread

I am with WiZeM@N on this one. I am a fairly new member on this forum, and came to the ABF looking for tips on how to learn to play jazz. I was really appreciative of Steve's post, since he had some nice free material. Then I saw Rotosky's and thought "what a jerk". Totally inappropriate. Of course Steve was far too polite to call Rotosky on it.

The more I think about this "why I hate jazz" thread, the more it irritates me. Rotosky is spewing nothing but vitriol and hostility at jazz and jazz musicians and pretending like it is only humor. I personally don't find any of it funny, and can understand WiZeM@N getting offended. Many people devote their lives to this art and make their living this way, and certainly don't need Rotosky's help tearing it down. Many of us also deeply enjoy listening to it and want to keep this art alive, and this thread does not help.

Lets keep the Piano Forum a friendly place for jazz musicians and fans and not contribute any more anti-jazz nonsense to this thread or this forum.
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#1956749 - 09/10/12 02:59 AM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Elkayem, Amen!!! Glad to see people get it and call a spade a spade.

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#1956917 - 09/10/12 12:21 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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What "Rostosky" doesn't realize is that there is a cosmic ray out there with his name on it.
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#1956927 - 09/10/12 01:06 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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From the "alleged land of the free" cometh the law, "Thou must not hate jazz" closely followed by "Thou must not say thy hateth jazz"

However, if you love jazz there is a thread or three for you specifically. One is called Jazz study group two ( the sequel) but you chose of your own free will to come to one where the premise is not liking jazz to the point of hating it.

If you can come here to a thread where The premise is NOT liking jazz to the point of hating it,but post how much you love it then why cant I go to thread where the premise is loving jazz, and say i hate it.

Double standards. You cant have it both ways .


free speech is about not liking someones viewpoint, but defending their right to hold that viewpoint.

I would defend your right to say you love jazz on this thread.
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#1956945 - 09/10/12 01:28 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Nicely said Rossy.

It seems to me that those who are being truly hateful are some new arrivals who don't understand how to play nicely in the forums, don't understand how to make a point without throwing about personal insults.

This isn't in the spirit of the ABF, nor is it in the spirit of what this thread was about: the "hate" tag in the title isn't about nastiness - please guys (I assume guys, I could be wrong) don't try to paint it that way.
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#1956955 - 09/10/12 01:38 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: casinitaly]
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Originally Posted By: casinitaly
It seems to me that those who are being truly hateful are some new arrivals who don't understand how to play nicely in the forums, don't understand how to make a point without throwing about personal insults.

This isn't in the spirit of the ABF, nor is it in the spirit of what this thread was about:

Thanks for putting it so well. I couldn't agree more.
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#1956977 - 09/10/12 02:23 PM Re: why do I hate jazz? [Re: Rostosky]
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Rather than take the time to delete all of the nonsense and meanness that's been posted on this thread I'll just close it with a warning that if you can't find it in yourself to be civil your stay here will be short lived.
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