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#1675992 - 05/12/11 02:53 AM
Poll: Where do you sit at the keyboard?
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MathTeacher asked an interesting aside question on his relationship advice thread, which piqued my curiousity. FYI, here are the responses so far: ....As some sanity has seem to poured back into this thread, I shall seek some more advice from you guys. I was wondering: do most of you automatically sit directly in front of the middle C key? I know where you sit depends on the piece you are playing, but is middle C your default position? It is mine, but sometimes I feel I should sit a key or two to the right of it (damn piano is not symmetric about middle C)..... Hey, whaddaya doin', hijacking your own thread?  But since you asked..... I don't sit anywhere near there. The exact position depends on the piece, as you said, but very little. My default position is at the F above middle C. Sometimes it's half a key to the left of there. And that's about it.  OK, who else.....(I've never wondered about this before, or asked, and I have no idea what other people do) I sit in between the E and the F above middle C, since that is exactly the middle of the piano. My previous teacher taught me to sit there at our first lesson together and I've been sitting there ever since. Wow, my keyboard measures 48.25" and 24.125" is, as you say, between the E and F! I'm a middle C man. Nobody ever talks about middle F or middle E and a half...  I'm a middle C man. Nobody ever talks about middle F or middle E and a half... Yes, but on a modern piano "middle C" is not in the middle, exactly, is it? Well, it is the middle(most) Cl; hence "Middle C" as opposed to "Highest C" or "Lowest C". I don't recall anyone referring to it as "the point intersecting the exact middle of the piano ambitus at C." Well, it is the middle(most) Cl; hence "Middle C" as opposed to "Highest C" or "Lowest C". I don't recall anyone referring to it as "the point intersecting the exact middle of the piano ambitus at C." Yes, this. Let's also not forget that until around the turn of the 20th century, it was more common for the piano to only reach a high A, rather than a high C - and in earlier periods, the range was more limited still. Modern portable keyboards come in 61, 73, 76 and 88 key variants, so it makes sense to use a certain key as a reference point rather than an arbitrary midpoint. All this talk of the geometrical midpoint is rather irrelevant. A pianist will position oneself wherever it feels most central to the notes one normally plays. I think for most of the classical piano repertoire, middle C is pretty central. Most students begin with middle C and learn notes to either side of that - hence the tendency to see middle C as the central note. It's hardly a critical important point though. Sit where you please. Finally, why the heck are we talking about this anyway? I sit with middle C right in front of me. It was instinctive, not instructed, but never "corrected"  As for height issues, I have one friend who is 6'8" and his wife is 5'2". I have quite a few friends who are over 6' and they all seem to have short wives.
Edited by Frozenicicles (05/12/11 06:07 PM)
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#1676020 - 05/12/11 05:34 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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I'm at D. I don't really know why. Maybe there's a subconscious connection to the fact that the contrary motion arrangement of blacks and whites is symmetrical from D, and so it functions as a kind of axis.
Edited by wr (05/12/11 05:34 AM)
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#1676022 - 05/12/11 05:48 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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I prefer to sit on the bench. It's easier to play that way.
Seriously, e-f above middle c
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#1676024 - 05/12/11 05:55 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: -Frycek]
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Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?I prefer to sit on the bench. It's easier to play that way. haha - my first reaction too. I centre on C. Always have. No-one ever told me to, or not to. Of course I move up if I'm playing duets, but I don't tend to move my position much otherwise.
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#1676025 - 05/12/11 05:56 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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I sit in my custom-designed chair, following the example of Radu Lupu. (Actually, it's an old chair that I put cushions on to get it to the right height because I can't be bothered buying a bench, but who's counting?  ) As for my sitting position in relation to the keyboard, it depends on what I'm playing. Usually I'm at E, but one of the pieces I play require me to use both hands at the top notes for several extended sections, so I shift my chair to the right before playing it.
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#1676037 - 05/12/11 06:28 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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This is probably quite strange, but I tried it out, and I sat with my right thumb at the G below middle C. Which is quite far off the centre, I'm not sure what to make of it haha.
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#1676055 - 05/12/11 07:17 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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For those of you who are sitting to the right of middle C, do you do that subconsciously because most of the pieces you play are centered there (wherever that is) or because it is more central in the piano than middle C?
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#1676089 - 05/12/11 07:51 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: MathTeacher]
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between the E and F above middle C because it is more central in the piano than middle C
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#1676102 - 05/12/11 08:07 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: wr]
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I'm at D. I don't really know why. Maybe there's a subconscious connection to the fact that the contrary motion arrangement of blacks and whites is symmetrical from D, and so it functions as a kind of axis.
I'm at D also, and also because of the symmetry (but purposely, not subconsciously)
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#1676110 - 05/12/11 08:18 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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My navel aligns with the E above middle C.
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#1676215 - 05/12/11 11:36 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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Good idea, FI! I was thinking this might deserve its own thread.
Very interesting to see what people do. Looks like the "E-F" neighborhood is pretty common, and looks like my "usually F" is furthest right, so far, if only by a half-key margin. Evory is furthest left, by a lot....
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#1676223 - 05/12/11 11:48 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: sarah_elizabeth]
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[...] I'll find myself drifting more towards B or C. That's obviously what influenced Delius, too, n'est-ce pas? 
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#1676224 - 05/12/11 11:53 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: currawong]
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I centre on C. Always have. No-one ever told me to, or not to.
If I recall, my first piano teacher told me to sit in front of middle C. As an organist it was the Eb above middle C. Of course I move up if I'm playing duets... A good idea, especially if you don't know the other player very well! 
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#1676229 - 05/12/11 12:01 PM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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#1676251 - 05/12/11 12:27 PM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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It's 'E' for me -- because the fallboard decal is centered over that key.
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#1676269 - 05/12/11 12:54 PM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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A little off the subj, but.....stupidest thing I ever did on this: One time I was working hard on a passage where the right hand is way up there >>>> near the top, and I figured, heck, I'll SIT way up there, it'll be more convenient for working on the passage.  The trouble is that when you do that, you're not practicing how you'll actually be playing. It's probably literally worse than nothing. Fortunately I figured that out before too long. 
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#1676270 - 05/12/11 12:56 PM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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as a church pianist.. i sit for the song... but usually a default middle C. Some songs (yes they are songs) are crazily skewed and sometimes I have to 'be' the bass section in a way so I sit so I can bang out some deep octaves easily. I rarely play in the higher registers.
at home - middle C, without variation.
at the organ - a bit higher, E or F.
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#1676326 - 05/12/11 02:27 PM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: sarah_elizabeth]
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Don't worry, I didn't get it either!  I think we need to know more about Delius....
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#1676334 - 05/12/11 02:45 PM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Mark_C]
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Normaly I'm not thinking much about that. But sometimes it happened to me that I've been a little bit irritated when I recognized while playing that I'm not sitting right in the center.
Thomas
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#1676337 - 05/12/11 02:48 PM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: -Frycek]
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I prefer to sit on the bench. It's easier to play that way.
Seriously, e-f above middle c Yes, grammar fail, haha. I realized right after I posted but only mods can edit titles.
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#1676345 - 05/12/11 03:08 PM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: sarah_elizabeth]
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[...] I'll find myself drifting more towards B or C. That's obviously what influenced Delius, too, n'est-ce pas?  Deepest apologies for being naive, but what do you mean? I was referring to one of Delius' larger-scale works for baritone and orchestra, "Sea Drift," because sarah_elizabeth said she found herself "drifting" toward B or C ...  Cheers!
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#1676456 - 05/12/11 05:45 PM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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I prefer to sit on the bench. It's easier to play that way.
Seriously, e-f above middle c Yes, grammar fail, haha. I realized right after I posted but only mods can edit titles. Actually, originators of threads can edit the titles just as they can edit the content of their own posts. Regards,
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#1676465 - 05/12/11 06:06 PM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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Based on what I've played, all the inner ledger lines I've seen are pretty symmetric about middle C. So I sit at middle C, allowing me to play those inner ledger lines comfortably.
Actually, if anything, I see more low inner ledger lines (up to 5 lines) than high inner ledger lines in general. Hence all the more reason to avoid sitting to the right of middle C.
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#1676472 - 05/12/11 06:25 PM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit at the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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Poll:Where do you sit on the keyboard?
I don't sit on the keyboard.
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#1676490 - 05/12/11 06:53 PM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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Middle C when I was taking lessons and younger. Nowdays, the A below that.
Edited by J Cortese (05/12/11 06:53 PM)
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#1676492 - 05/12/11 06:54 PM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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In front of the Middle C center of my torso looking directly to Middle C and also i sit very low
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#1676821 - 05/13/11 08:31 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: ChopinAddict]
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I just checked to be sure... I sit in front of D (above middle C of course  ) X2
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#1676846 - 05/13/11 09:41 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Frozenicicles]
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What will anyone do with this information?
I know there are all kinds of musicians here from hobbyists to professional but some of these questions seem really dumb.
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#1676890 - 05/13/11 11:12 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: LimeFriday]
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I realised after reading some of the responses I sit between E and F because that's where I always sat at the organ... and I learned organ for years before I began studying the piano seriously. .....and a couple of other people also said they sit around there for organ, but nobody yet said WHY. Nor, why there might be a different natural or best position on organ than on piano.
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#1676891 - 05/13/11 11:12 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Dave Horne]
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What will anyone do with this information?
I know there are all kinds of musicians here from hobbyists to professional but some of these questions seem really dumb. Funny......the rest of us seem to find it pretty interesting.
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#1690336 - 06/04/11 10:16 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Dave Horne]
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What will anyone do with this information?
I know there are all kinds of musicians here from hobbyists to professional but some of these questions seem really dumb. Dave, forgive us if some of us peasants happen to enjoy an occasional dose of low-brow trivia. I myself sit at the crack between E and F since it's smack in the middle of the keyboard. If you count 44 notes from the bottom you end up at the E above middle C. You will notice that the sostenuto pedal lines right up with that crack.
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#1690340 - 06/04/11 10:24 AM
Re: Poll: Where do you sit on the keyboard?
[Re: Dave Horne]
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What will anyone do with this information?
I know there are all kinds of musicians here from hobbyists to professional but some of these questions seem really dumb. Humans are social animals. We learn and understand the world through our experience and sharing that experience enriches us. The little things in life can also be fascinating and small observations have led to great discoveries.
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