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#1678087 - 05/15/11 11:38 AM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: cardguy]
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Originally Posted By: cardguy
....But now he's painted himself into a corner.
No going back now.

I hope he doesn't feel that way.

"Going back," if he could bring himself to do it, would be a remarkably positive thing. And I'm guessing you'd view it that way too -- you were just saying how you think he's been seeing it, and I agree.
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#1678093 - 05/15/11 11:49 AM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Mark_C]
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Correct Mark. And yes, "going back" would be just the ticket.

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#1678103 - 05/15/11 12:01 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Dustin Sanders]
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After reading through this whole thread, I have a whole "different" take on the OP. I don't think he was looking for advice or anything else. I think he wanted us to know he made it into the competition (and I say "Congratulations" and "Best of luck" for the next round)and that he was really working hard on Feux Follets.

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#1678109 - 05/15/11 12:07 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: DameMyra]
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I think you're right.
Although of course when we do something like that, we run the 'risk' of finding out things we didn't expect....
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#1678114 - 05/15/11 12:14 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Dustin Sanders]
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That was certainly a big part of it. But I also think he was looking for reassurance on the tension/pain or whatever you want to call it

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#1678137 - 05/15/11 01:06 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Dustin Sanders]
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It should be said that tension and pain are two sides of the same coin. RSIs manifest in different ways in different people. Sometimes you feel pain, sometimes the tension comes first. Sometimes pain doesn't come until much later down the road (when it's too late to be easily remedied.)

This thread is also a good example of the perils of asking for advice on the internet. We don't really know what's plaguing Dustin. We're all just making guesses based on his descriptions and our past experiences.

The other problem with asking for advice on the internet is that you don't get to choose how others will respond. You don't even get to choose how others will interpret the question. (Or the manner in which they will deliver their advice, regardless of its quality.)
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#1678140 - 05/15/11 01:12 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Wow, sometimes stubborn people are complete morons.


Is that better than being an incomplete one?
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#1678144 - 05/15/11 01:15 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Wow, sometimes stubborn people are complete morons.


Sometimes easily convinced people are complete morons too.
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Edited by Sparky McBiff (05/15/11 01:16 PM)
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#1678148 - 05/15/11 01:19 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Dustin Sanders]
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He also seems to be changing his description of the problem after he got advice. Now he says it was only tension, but that's not what he said originally.

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BUT , I have developed a very annoying sensation in my arm ... I feel like it's the tendon that runs from the 4th finger down into the elbow area ... on the elbow , the side opposite of the bone , I feel a bit of tension as well.

The tendon feels like it's a deeper issue , beyond just a basic soreness.


First it's beyond basic soreness along with tension, and now it's just tension that he doesn't need to worry about?

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#1678151 - 05/15/11 01:20 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
We don't really know what's plaguing Dustin.


Well, as far as the tension/pain thing goes, you're correct, sir. I think it quite obvious, however, what's brought it on. He, being the expert that he is, would, I'm sure, disagree.
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#1678156 - 05/15/11 01:24 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Dustin Sanders]
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Yeah, they are.
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#1678158 - 05/15/11 01:26 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: cardguy]
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Originally Posted By: cardguy
OP is worried, whether he'll admit it or not, and was hoping for someone to say, "Don't worry about it my friend. It's just "tension."


It's probably a tumour. shocked
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#1678160 - 05/15/11 01:26 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Dustin Sanders]
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BTW, I don't see the usefulness of language like "ignorant stupidity" or "complete moron."

I'm close to locking the topic down. Dustin's self-described stubbornness may make him a easy target, but that doesn't mean you have to lob a barrage of cheap shots at him.
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#1678173 - 05/15/11 01:38 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Kreisler]
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It should be said that tension and pain are two sides of the same coin. RSIs manifest in different ways in different people. Sometimes you feel pain, sometimes the tension comes first....

Yes -- and we're abetting his avoidance by taking his bait and debating "pain" vs. "tension." The point is that he's having symptoms; this thing about what to call them, or what he did or didn't call them, is a distraction, and it's not critical to what we're trying to say.

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This thread is also a good example of the perils of asking for advice on the internet. We don't really know what's plaguing Dustin. We're all just making guesses based on his descriptions and our past experiences....

I don't think so, Kreisler. Sure, we don't know his exact 'inner motivation' and we don't know exactly what his symptoms are, but I think we know very well, at least broadly, what's the best advice for him.

P.S. Agree on that last post of yours.
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#1678178 - 05/15/11 01:45 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Kreisler]
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BTW, I don't see the usefulness of language like "ignorant stupidity"


Noted. Let me change that to blatantly delusional. My apologies.
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#1678183 - 05/15/11 01:49 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Dustin Sanders]
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I think the best advice to give here is for Dustin to simply go and see a doctor that specialises in hand and forearm injuries. I don't really understand what Dustin expects by posing such an equivocal question over the internet.
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#1678190 - 05/15/11 01:55 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: TheHappyMoron]
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I think the best advice to give here is for Dustin to simply go and see a doctor that specialises in hand and forearm injuries. I don't really understand what Dustin expects by posing such an equivocal question over the internet.

I don't think so. It sounds like he's way short of that. But if he keeps this up.... shocked

And besides he probably wouldn't listen to the doctor anyway. ha
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#1678204 - 05/15/11 02:13 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Dustin Sanders]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C

I don't think so. It sounds like he's way short of that. But if he keeps this up.... shocked


I mean so that the specialist can advise him from a professional and probably more informed opinion as to what to do.

Originally Posted By: Mark_C

And besides he probably wouldn't listen to the doctor anyway. ha


Haha! Most probably not! Maybe Dustin will give the doctor advice instead! (I'm only joking, Dustin!!)

As an extra note, i once had an ibuprofen rub which helped with any aches and pains, if that is the sort of thing you're looking for.
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#1678225 - 05/15/11 02:59 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: TheCannibalHaddock
I think the best advice to give here is for Dustin to simply go and see a doctor that specialises in hand and forearm injuries. I don't really understand what Dustin expects by posing such an equivocal question over the internet.

I don't think so. It sounds like he's way short of that. But if he keeps this up.... shocked

And besides he probably wouldn't listen to the doctor anyway. ha


I can't think at this moment anyway, of a single instance in which I was actually helped with an over-use problem by a physician.

I notice a great reverence for physicians on this forum. "See a doctor," is a common refrain. It's the kind of advice no one can really argue with, but for the most part it's not all that helpful. It might surprise you guys to hear that they're not even sure what tendonitis actually is, medically speaking. They'll tell you inflammation, but what's the underlying process that causes it?

Ask a doctor or a physical therapist why certain treatments seem to work, and they don't be able to tell you if they're being honest.

When you're at the point where a doctor can actually help, it's probably via surgery. And we all know what a huge crap shoot that is.


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#1678243 - 05/15/11 03:21 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Dustin Sanders]
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Hey.... come on now. What if my post was directed at someone else? Which maybe it was? Hence why I left out names.
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#1678255 - 05/15/11 03:37 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Dustin Sanders]
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Well, I feel like a 'complete moron' for offering well-meaning advice that wasn't well received ... to say nothing of following this very protracted discussion that no longer has any purpose.

I think the guy who mentioned 'internet vampires' was right after all. Even if that wasn't Dustin's intention, the length and longevity of this thread make it seem like an electronic black hole.
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#1678266 - 05/15/11 03:51 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Dustin Sanders]
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I don't mean to pick on Dustin too much here, as he seems to be a genuinely nice guy.

But what makes the situation all the more bizarre to me is that (as stores pointed out a while back) Dustin is a piano teacher.


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#1678293 - 05/15/11 04:42 PM Re: Some of you may remember the Competition Recordings I put up [Re: Dustin Sanders]
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Dustin, I'm curious how you got your CD in so late. A couple of my teacher's students entered the competition and they had to get their tapes in by mid-April.

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