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#1677354 - 05/14/11 04:01 AM
Is elastic bandage useful for hand injuries at all??
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Registered: 05/30/10
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Loc: London
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I have developed pain in my arms last Thursday. The school nurse thinks it was inflammation in my arm muscles and gave me elastic bandage to wear and Ibuprofen. She also reminded me that even if I want to practice, I should try practicing with that thing. After 2 days, I don't really feel better (a bit worse to be frank).
I have already tried to practice carefully so I won't get further injuries:
- Have a break every 1 hour
- Practice slowly, softly ONLY (I was tempted to run through my programme once yesterday though...)
- Temporarily stopped practicing my daily finger exercises
P.S. As I have concerts and auditions next 2 weeks, I don't think I have a choice of not practicing
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#1677360 - 05/14/11 04:27 AM
Re: Is elastic bandage useful for hand injuries at all??
[Re: feebeeliszt]
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Make a dr. appointment.
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#1677646 - 05/14/11 04:20 PM
Re: Is elastic bandage useful for hand injuries at all??
[Re: feebeeliszt]
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Registered: 07/07/04
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First, I doubt if anyone thus far who has responded is a doctor. I'm certainly not a doctor.
Why do you think you have pain in your arms? Where exactly is the pain? Is the pain in your top forearm muscles?
Does the ibuprofen help? Do you take 3 x 400 mg per day?
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#1677650 - 05/14/11 04:31 PM
Re: Is elastic bandage useful for hand injuries at all??
[Re: feebeeliszt]
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Registered: 07/21/09
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I practiced more than usual in preparation for an audition, and got soreness in my torso and arms. I believe it was muscle soreness. This was relieved by rest. I rested after the audition.
Athletes with sore muscles use hot tubs and antiinflammatory medication for relief.
Be careful not to become injured. The delicate structures of the hands require moderation in use and gradual increases in positive stressors.
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#1677855 - 05/14/11 10:59 PM
Re: Is elastic bandage useful for hand injuries at all??
[Re: feebeeliszt]
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Registered: 03/13/10
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For inflammatory issues. Ice is better than heat. Look up R.I.C.E with the periods to find out the standard therapy for soft tissue injuries.
I used to be a high mileage bicyclist (up to 200 miles a week) and lots of my bike buddies swore at their doctors but swore by their Physical Therapists.
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#1677937 - 05/15/11 01:27 AM
Re: Is elastic bandage useful for hand injuries at all??
[Re: feebeeliszt]
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Registered: 09/15/09
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if it's not practice related, a doctor should be able to help. probably what you should be doing anyway. if it IS practice related, well, pain and injuries happen to many pianists (if not most--i see figures up to 80% of pianist experience pain at some point in their careers) and it's an indication that technique and/or practicing habits need to change, in the long run. most people i've talked to and books i've read on this is that doctors tend not to be helpful in these instances. here's one book Art of Practising. i actually took a lesson from her last year, that's a different story. anyway, i'm no medical doctor, inflammation sounds like a medical issue more than a repetitive issue i suppose, though in both arms? it could be practice related--and you probably know best yourself in that case. and if it's your nurse saying inflammation, it might be practice related after all. i recently read that even horowitz said that he "can't practice loud, heavy passages too much a day". whatever he meant by "too much", i'm sure even he experienced pain at some point and realized what changes he had to make. i'm sure there are the lucky ones who manage to get through without changing anything, but we're dealt whatever cards we get to work with.
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#1678234 - 05/15/11 03:07 PM
Re: Is elastic bandage useful for hand injuries at all??
[Re: feebeeliszt]
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First, in my opinion, you should throw away the ibuprofen. Pain, in my experience, is a good, not bad, thing. It's your body's way of letting you know--completely free of charge, and better than any doctor can--that something is wrong, and if you don't correct what's wrong, you risk doing serious permanent damage to your health. But if you take a painkiller, you get rid of your body's natural warning system, which will then let you continue to do the thing that is damaging your body, with possible serious consequences to your health.
Based on this post and other posts you've written, "what's wrong," in my opinion, is that you're apparently aiming to be a concert pianist but you're not playing like a concert pianist. By this I mean that if you take a look at top concert pianists, you'll see that they play note perfect and flawless from memory, with only lip service to what people might describe as "artistry." You play very well, but the problem as I see it is that your playing is "too artistic," too beautiful and refined, for a future concert pianist. Concert pianists don't play like this; it's all solid technical playing from memory. If they tried to do this, and in addition tried to be artistic about it all, they'd burn themselves out, as just keeping a mammoth memorized repertoire that they can play note perfect on demand takes up all of their energy and time, with nothing left for the kind of refined artistry that non-concert pianists rave about.
Here's the problem. You can't play note perfect from memory and also be artistically refined at the same time. That's for amateurs. The pros play technically perfect with only a veneer of "artistry."
If you want to be a concert pianist, then you'll have to start playing like one. That is, can the "artistry" and concentrate on memory, strength, endurance, the things that will enable you to play a mammoth memorized repertoire note perfect on stage in front of thousands of people.
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#1678236 - 05/15/11 03:11 PM
Re: Is elastic bandage useful for hand injuries at all??
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#1678672 - 05/16/11 10:40 AM
Re: Is elastic bandage useful for hand injuries at all??
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Registered: 10/05/08
Posts: 3458
Loc: San Jose, CA
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This is unusually nuanced, for Gyro--- maybe he has learned a little something from PW after all. All wrong, of course, but ANY progress is welcome.
A physical therapist will only treat after a doctor has diagnosed the problem and prescribed physio. So, they work together. Treating a problem without knowing what it is, other than short-term, initial common-sense home remedies, can be a big mistake.
These guys have educations, licenses, insurance carriers, and professional boards to answer to; they have reason to behave knowledgeably and responsibly which goes beyond that of persons who write to a website. So, if you're having pain that lasts longer than a few weeks, after you've taken OTC pain-and-inflammation reducing medications like ibuprofen and tried icing the place that hurts, a doc is where you should be.
And yes, clear up those problems with your playing technique; that may take a 'doctor's help' too. (I mean a teacher who knows how to help you; not all do.)
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#1678690 - 05/16/11 11:07 AM
Re: Is elastic bandage useful for hand injuries at all??
[Re: feebeeliszt]
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Registered: 07/07/04
Posts: 3992
Loc: Vught, The Netherlands
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I'm not a doctor but I take issue with ... Pain, in my experience, is a good, not bad, thing. It's your body's way of letting you know--completely free of charge, and better than any doctor can--that something is wrong, and if you don't correct what's wrong, you risk doing serious permanent damage to your health. But if you take a painkiller, you get rid of your body's natural warning system, which will then let you continue to do the thing that is damaging your body, with possible serious consequences to your health.
Ibuprofen reduces inflammation. It's always a good idea to know what the root cause of the inflammation is, but there's no need today to tough it out and endure pain needlessly. Reducing inflammation can reduce potential future damage.
But Gyro and I are no doctors, at least we all can agree on this.
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#1678822 - 05/16/11 03:46 PM
Re: Is elastic bandage useful for hand injuries at all??
[Re: Gyro]
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Registered: 12/16/09
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I actually read through half this BS and then I started to think it was familiar. Then I saw your username and then... well... then I stopped reading and forgot what you tried to say. First, in my opinion, you should throw away the ibuprofen. Pain, in my experience, is a good, not bad, thing. It's your body's way of letting you know--completely free of charge, and better than any doctor can--that something is wrong, and if you don't correct what's wrong, you risk doing serious permanent damage to your health. But if you take a painkiller, you get rid of your body's natural warning system, which will then let you continue to do the thing that is damaging your body, with possible serious consequences to your health.
Based on this post and other posts you've written, "what's wrong," in my opinion, is that you're apparently aiming to be a concert pianist but you're not playing like a concert pianist. By this I mean that if you take a look at top concert pianists, you'll see that they play note perfect and flawless from memory, with only lip service to what people might describe as "artistry." You play very well, but the problem as I see it is that your playing is "too artistic," too beautiful and refined, for a future concert pianist. Concert pianists don't play like this; it's all solid technical playing from memory. If they tried to do this, and in addition tried to be artistic about it all, they'd burn themselves out, as just keeping a mammoth memorized repertoire that they can play note perfect on demand takes up all of their energy and time, with nothing left for the kind of refined artistry that non-concert pianists rave about.
Here's the problem. You can't play note perfect from memory and also be artistically refined at the same time. That's for amateurs. The pros play technically perfect with only a veneer of "artistry."
If you want to be a concert pianist, then you'll have to start playing like one. That is, can the "artistry" and concentrate on memory, strength, endurance, the things that will enable you to play a mammoth memorized repertoire note perfect on stage in front of thousands of people.
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#1678832 - 05/16/11 04:07 PM
Re: Is elastic bandage useful for hand injuries at all??
[Re: feebeeliszt]
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Registered: 02/26/06
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P.S. As I have concerts and auditions next 2 weeks, I don't think I have a choice of not practicing
Surely a little stressed ? I have developed pain in my arms last Thursday Tension in the shoulders, neck ... Hope you're feeling better after the weekend .
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#1678837 - 05/16/11 04:12 PM
Re: Is elastic bandage useful for hand injuries at all??
[Re: feebeeliszt]
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Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Registered: 01/01/03
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you have to be smarter than your muscles..
rest, ice, practice slowly.. very slowly!
eat some bananas, a tbls. of molasses in hot milk or water, stretch in all directions softly and thorougly.. read through your music, practice thoughtfully - identify your problems and think about them..... no need to panic and practic 'fast' (which I tend to do).
you have a couple weeks.. best of luck.
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