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#1680901 - 05/19/11 12:47 PM Choice of a stage piano
Sumsar Offline
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Registered: 04/30/11
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Hello there!

I´m considering buying one of the four following stage pianos:

- Kawai MP10
- Roland RD-700NX
- Roland FP-7F
- Yamaha CP5

Which one would you recommend me to go for? Or is there a fifth possibility that I´ve overlooked?

Ordinarily I´m making beats and songs in Logic on my Mac, but I think it would be very nice to have an amazing stage piano in my home studio both for practicing and as an integrated part of a computer music production environment. In my choice of a stage piano, I really attach importance to a very great build quality, some very solid and firm keys, a pretty intuitive user interface and above all; magnificent piano sounds :-)

I would be very happy if some of you please could give me some advice!

Thank you in advance...

- Rasmus

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#1680914 - 05/19/11 12:59 PM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: Sumsar]
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I'd go with the MP10 or RD-700NX. Both have good controller capabilities and amazing action. The CP5 is a killer board as well, and many swear by them. It too has great action, but I think the MP10/RD-700NX have a little better action for piano work. Ultimately, you need to play all these boards and make up your own mind...don't let us talk you into something! smile BTW, the action in the FP-7F is the same as the RD-700NX, but you lose the controller capabilities AFAIK.
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#1681075 - 05/19/11 05:02 PM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: Sumsar]
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I agree with Zac. I had to make the same decision recently and went with the RD700NX, mostly because of all the extra sounds which are very useable in music production.
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#1681106 - 05/19/11 05:54 PM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: Sumsar]
Sumsar Offline
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Hi guys!

Thanks a lot for your replies - it´s very nice to get some advice :-)

What keybed do you think is the most durable? (Personally I really like that the keys feel pretty firm and a little heavy).

Kind regards
Rasmus

PS: Do you think that RD-700NX definitely is worth the extra money compared to FP-7F?

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#1681122 - 05/19/11 06:15 PM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: Sumsar]
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Originally Posted By: Sumsar
Do you think that RD-700NX definitely is worth the extra money compared to FP-7F?

I think it's just a matter of whether you need its extra features (i.e. MIDI controller stuff, tonewheel organ emulation, supernatural EP). As a piano alone, I don't know that the 700 has any advantages... and it has a disadvantage in that you lose the speakers.

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#1681163 - 05/19/11 07:28 PM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: Sumsar]
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I think you should be considering the Kawai MP6 too as it is a more portable instrument for stage then the MP10 and offers a high quality action, though not as spectacular as the MP10. It also includes many more sounds so surely ought to be on your list.

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#1681225 - 05/19/11 09:54 PM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: Sumsar]
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I'm sure the RD700NX keybed will be very reliable. I've had a RD Stage piano continuously for the past 19 years, starting with the old RD300s (11 years) RD700 (7 years) and now the 700NX. They have all had great weighted feel efficient actions. They have always been very solid and I guess the most important thing I can say about Roland Stage Pianos is that in over 19 years of owning them, none of them have ever been to the service department. That gives me alot of peace of mind. I look after my gear but believe me,they are well played.
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#1681242 - 05/19/11 10:33 PM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: Sumsar]
Dr Popper Offline
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In a word ...the MP10 for your purposes.
The FP7F isn't a stage piano BTW.
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#1681302 - 05/20/11 12:53 AM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
The FP7F isn't a stage piano BTW.

I don't know that every model of every manufacturer has to neatly fall into a pre-defined category, but what disqualifies the FP7F as a stage piano? And what category of digital piano would you say that it is instead?

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#1681437 - 05/20/11 08:13 AM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: anotherscott]
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The FP7F is shown on the Stage Piano page on the Roland site, as is the FP4F
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#1681581 - 05/20/11 12:23 PM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: anotherscott]
Dr Popper Offline
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
The FP7F isn't a stage piano BTW.

I don't know that every model of every manufacturer has to neatly fall into a pre-defined category, but what disqualifies the FP7F as a stage piano? And what category of digital piano would you say that it is instead?



Its a portable console piano like the P155 Yamaha its not designed for the touring musician. It's got built in speakers and a host of features geared towards the home user.
A stage piano is a stage piano ...designed for the stage foremost.
If you want real portability then a RD300NX or RD700NX is a better option.
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#1681607 - 05/20/11 01:12 PM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
Its a portable console piano like the P155 Yamaha its not designed for the touring musician. It's got built in speakers and a host of features geared towards the home user.

A "portable console" sounds like a contradiction in terms to me!

You don't have to use the speakers. (Though the vibrations do make playing it feel more "real.")

BTW, the Yamaha CP300 is a classic stage piano... and it's got speakers.

Originally Posted By: Dr Popper

If you want real portability then a RD300NX or RD700NX is a better option.


The RD700NX weighs a couple of pounds more than the FP7F. If all you need to do is play piano in a live setting, I don't think it offers any advantage over the FP7F (and it's way more expensive).

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#1681617 - 05/20/11 01:25 PM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: Sumsar]
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I tend to agree with anotherscott on this, although the discussion may be a little sterile. You select the instrument to suit your particular needs. The FPs are a kind of hybrid instrument that cross the boundary between stage and home, and work pretty well in either context. The 700NX adds a few extra pro features (such as balanced outs, and controller capabilities), which may or may not be important to you, but essentially does the same job as the FP.
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#1681662 - 05/20/11 03:24 PM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: Sumsar]
Sumsar Offline
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Hi guys and thank you for all your replies! It´s very nice to hear all your different opinions...

I´m still in doubt about what to pick, but I´ll just continue thinking about it and at the end of the day; follow my heart ;-)

- Rasmus

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#1681686 - 05/20/11 04:48 PM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: Sumsar]
Sumsar Offline
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Hi again guys!

I´ve forgot to ask you about something: What do you think about Kawai MP8 II? Is MP10 much better and if so, in which ways?

I look forward to hear from you :-)

Kind regards
Rasmus

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#1681729 - 05/20/11 06:40 PM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: Sumsar]
dewar Offline
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Registered: 02/14/11
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well the mp8 has awa pro action while the mp10 has kawai's new RM3 action.

The mp10 has the newest sound technology while the mp8 has harmonic imaging II. Actually glancing over it kind of looks like the mp8 is more comparable with the 6 then the 10. Was the recent flagship model before the new line, but ive never seen one to try so no idea how the action even feels.

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#1681759 - 05/20/11 07:47 PM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: Sumsar]
Kawai James Offline
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Registered: 09/06/07
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Sumsar, as dewar correctly notes, the MP8II utilises the older 'AWA Grand Pro II' wooden-key action and 'Harmonic Imaging II' sound technology.

The MP10 utilises the newer 'RM3 Grand' wooden-key action, with additional improvements such as 'Ivory Touch' key surfaces, let-off simulation. and centred black/white key balance points. the MP10 also utilises the vastly improved 'Ultra Progressive Harmonic Imaging' (UPHI) sound technology, with 88-key sampling, more expressive acoustic pianos, brand new EPs, amp simulator, etc.

Whereas the MP6 was a nice upgrade to the MP5, the MP10 is almost like a completely different instrument when compared to the MP8II.

Cheers,
James
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#1681765 - 05/20/11 08:09 PM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: Sumsar]
Sumsar Offline
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Does the action on MP8 II feel heavier or lighter than the action on MP10?

And do you think that MP8 II is a great stage piano even though it's old and has discontinued?

:-)

- Rasmus

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#1681780 - 05/20/11 08:39 PM Re: Choice of a stage piano [Re: Sumsar]
Kawai James Offline
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Originally Posted By: Sumsar
Does the action on MP8 II feel heavier or lighter than the action on MP10?


I'm sorry, I do not remember.

Originally Posted By: Sumsar
And do you think that MP8 II is a great stage piano even though it's old and has discontinued?


Yes, I believe it's still a very good stage piano, however the main piano sounds are dated compared to modern instruments. If you were to use the MP8II as a controller for a software piano (check the Ivory clips from NAMM on YouTube...), I believe you have the potential for an excellent setup.

Kind regards,
James
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