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#1687643 - 05/31/11 08:56 AM Re: Warming up or going for coffee? [Re: polyphasicpianist]
rocket88 Offline
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I often let the students warm up for about 3 to 5 minutes, for several reasons.

First, the piano in my studio is not the piano(s) on which they have been playing all week, so they need a few moments to get re-acclimated to it. Beginners need this even more, as they most likely have not played many pianos, or the piano in general.

I know I need a few moments to adjust when I start to play an unfamiliar piano.

This applies even if I have spent a few hours earlier in the day practicing on a different piano.

Second, students are coming in from what is usually a busy day of other activities and traveling to the studio. It takes a few minutes to center and focus in the studio with the different piano (see above), and different room, etc.

Some students are ready, but others from time to time need those moments to focus and adjust. Pros warm up all the time...Whenever I play with a band, we always have a song or two with which to warm up.

Third, a lot of students have a degree of anxiety playing in front of others, especially their teacher. . . "I played it better at home...honest" is something teachers hear all the time.

So playing for a few minutes alone in the studio gives me an opportunity to hear them without my presence in the room.
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#1687765 - 05/31/11 12:52 PM Re: Warming up or going for coffee? [Re: polyphasicpianist]
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Loc: Los Angeles
Originally Posted By: polyphasicpianist
is it appropriate for her to allocate this 10 minutes of warm up as part of my 60min lesson?


No, it is not appropriate for your teacher to short-change you. Maybe she needs a break between lessons. In which case, she should schedule them 15 minutes apart. The psychiatrist's 45 minute "hour" isn't fair in a piano lesson.
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#1687773 - 05/31/11 12:58 PM Re: Warming up or going for coffee? [Re: rocket88]
NeilOS Offline
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Registered: 08/13/06
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Loc: Los Angeles
Originally Posted By: rocket88
I often let the students warm up for about 3 to 5 minutes, for several reasons.

First, the piano in my studio is not the piano(s) on which they have been playing all week, so they need a few moments to get re-acclimated to it. Beginners need this even more, as they most likely have not played many pianos, or the piano in general.

I know I need a few moments to adjust when I start to play an unfamiliar piano.

This applies even if I have spent a few hours earlier in the day practicing on a different piano.

Second, students are coming in from what is usually a busy day of other activities and traveling to the studio. It takes a few minutes to center and focus in the studio with the different piano (see above), and different room, etc.

Some students are ready, but others from time to time need those moments to focus and adjust. Pros warm up all the time...Whenever I play with a band, we always have a song or two with which to warm up.

Third, a lot of students have a degree of anxiety playing in front of others, especially their teacher. . . "I played it better at home...honest" is something teachers hear all the time.

So playing for a few minutes alone in the studio gives me an opportunity to hear them without my presence in the room.


This all seems reasonable to me. I would add, though, that part of the lesson could be about what happens at the start of a performance, on an unfamiliar piano, in a place that isn't home. As pianists, we deal with this on a regular basis. When I was an undergrad I complained about this to my teacher, who was herself an experienced concert pianist, and she shrugged, saying "that's just part of the business."
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#1687782 - 05/31/11 01:06 PM Re: Warming up or going for coffee? [Re: polyphasicpianist]
rocket88 Offline
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True, and I definitely explain that to students. Good point.
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#1687842 - 05/31/11 02:31 PM Re: Warming up or going for coffee? [Re: John v.d.Brook]
polyphasicpianist Offline
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Originally Posted By: John v.d.Brook

So, is this some kind of music school? Can you tell us more about the actual venue where you are studying?

From the limited information you've provided, I suspect the time has come to talk with owner/manager of music store/school about their policies, and if this is indeed their policy, you must decide whether to continue or to move on.


It is a music conservatory that provides studios for instructors, practice rooms for students, and courses (e.g. theory, music history, etc.) that people can sign up for. It is loosely affiliated with a local university, but the instructors and classes are all open to the public.

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#1687844 - 05/31/11 02:34 PM Re: Warming up or going for coffee? [Re: NeilOS]
ando Offline
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Registered: 11/23/10
Posts: 3612
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Originally Posted By: NeilOS
The psychiatrist's 45 minute "hour" isn't fair in a piano lesson.


Even the psychiatrists hour is 50 minutes... Those 45 minute psychiatrists probably spend the first 5 minutes standing in the kitchen and drinking water while they listen to you warm up... wink

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#1687854 - 05/31/11 02:57 PM Re: Warming up or going for coffee? [Re: polyphasicpianist]
John v.d.Brook Offline
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Loc: Olympia, Washington, USA
Originally Posted By: polyphasicpianist
It is a music conservatory that provides studios for instructors, practice rooms for students, and courses (e.g. theory, music history, etc.) that people can sign up for. It is loosely affiliated with a local university, but the instructors and classes are all open to the public.

Do you make your check out to the conservatory or to the teacher?
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#1688167 - 05/31/11 11:34 PM Re: Warming up or going for coffee? [Re: John v.d.Brook]
polyphasicpianist Offline
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Posts: 1238
Originally Posted By: John v.d.Brook

Do you make your check out to the conservatory or to the teacher?


Conservatory.

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#1688174 - 05/31/11 11:46 PM Re: Warming up or going for coffee? [Re: polyphasicpianist]
John v.d.Brook Offline
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Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 7393
Loc: Olympia, Washington, USA
In that case, I would discuss this matter with the director of the Conservatory. It reflects badly on his or her institution if instructors are just chopping 10 - 15 min off lessons. If, on the other hand, he approves the behavior, I'd start looking for alternate learning opportunities!
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