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#1687418 - 05/30/11 10:25 PM Re: WTC Which edition to buy [Re: joangolfing]
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Why is it - or why does it appear to be so - that one hears much more of the Preludes and Fugues from Book I than one does those from Book II? Does it appear to anyone else that those from Book II are even more "abstract," more intellectual or, to put it otherwise, even harder to grasp interpretively than those from Book I?

Has Bach evolved so much between 1722 and 1742 that the Preludes and Fugues in the second book are even less accessible as musical experiences than those from Book I. Does it take a much more mature musical mind to appreciate the Preludes and Fugues from Book II? Some of those from Book I have almost earned the status of being "popular" among those who play Bach, whether they have to or want to, but none of those from Book II seem - to me - to have acquired that dubious status or that kind of exposure.

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#1687424 - 05/30/11 10:30 PM Re: WTC Which edition to buy [Re: Andromaque]
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Does the Baerenreiter have fingerings for the WTC?


No.

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#1687443 - 05/30/11 10:58 PM Re: WTC Which edition to buy [Re: BruceD]
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Why is it - or why does it appear to be so - that one hears much more of the Preludes and Fugues from Book I than one does those from Book II? Does it appear to anyone else that those from Book II are even more "abstract," more intellectual or, to put it otherwise, even harder to grasp interpretively than those from Book I?

Has Bach evolved so much between 1722 and 1742 that the Preludes and Fugues in the second book are even less accessible as musical experiences than those from Book I. Does it take a much more mature musical mind to appreciate the Preludes and Fugues from Book II? Some of those from Book I have almost earned the status of being "popular" among those who play Bach, whether they have to or want to, but none of those from Book II seem - to me - to have acquired that dubious status or that kind of exposure.



Book I does seem generally more popular, I agree. I don't know why, really. To me, book II seems perhaps more spare and less showy, but I'm not sure about the accessibility issue. It doesn't seem generally less accessible to me; it's just a bit more - what's the word? - "inward", maybe.

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#1687579 - 05/31/11 05:55 AM Re: WTC Which edition to buy [Re: Julian_]
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[quote=SlatterFan... but I like working from a blank slate, because I usually write a lot of fingering into Bach! I can always refer to other editions for ideas on fingering if I need to. [/quote]

I agree. I am working on lots of JS Bach right now, mostly from Barenreiter Urtex editions, but some Henle, and my instructor suggests that I get the ones without the ornamentations written out, without the fingerings written, etc. It was painful at first, but there is a benefit in learning the pieces in their (more or less) original forms, to really read and execute the ornaments instead of written out approximations, and to devise your own fingerings.
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#1687597 - 05/31/11 07:23 AM Re: WTC Which edition to buy [Re: joangolfing]
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After reading all the Barenreiter recommendations I ordered both parts from sheetmusicplus.com on sale for 22.36 each. This has been a very valuable thread for me.

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#1688411 - 06/01/11 10:46 AM Re: WTC Which edition to buy [Re: joangolfing]
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I don't have book II. I have the Henle edition of Book I. I think I'll stop in at JW Pepper today and check out the Henle and Barenreiter editions. I'm in the mood for Bach lately. It's going to be a fun afternoon! Great and timely thread.


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#1688750 - 06/01/11 06:56 PM Re: WTC Which edition to buy [Re: joangolfing]
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Henle, or Barenreiter. I also have Tovey's edition (ABRSM), which is an interesting find (IF it can still be found).
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#1688759 - 06/01/11 07:06 PM Re: WTC Which edition to buy [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
Why is it - or why does it appear to be so - that one hears much more of the Preludes and Fugues from Book I than one does those from Book II? Does it appear to anyone else that those from Book II are even more "abstract," more intellectual or, to put it otherwise, even harder to grasp interpretively than those from Book I?

Has Bach evolved so much between 1722 and 1742 that the Preludes and Fugues in the second book are even less accessible as musical experiences than those from Book I. Does it take a much more mature musical mind to appreciate the Preludes and Fugues from Book II? Some of those from Book I have almost earned the status of being "popular" among those who play Bach, whether they have to or want to, but none of those from Book II seem - to me - to have acquired that dubious status or that kind of exposure.

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Personally, Book II, is by far my favorite, the one I feel most comfortable with, and the one I play most. I agree that it's a bit more difficult to "grasp" for most than it's counterpart and not only because of the reasons Bruce has given here, but because it's "thought" to be technically "easier" (which, of course, is nonsense). Over the years I've come to think of each book as a whole and cannot hear a single prelude or fugue without hearing that which ensues. I realise that Bach did not compose the WTC's contents with this sort of continuum in mind, but for me it's one complete (unbelievable) work.
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