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#1689256 - 06/02/11 01:27 PM Wow! FTCL at the age of 13!
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Wow apparently this kid called Aw Kah Long had received a FTCL at the age of 13! And whats even more stunning is that he studies at my school! laugh yay!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StfcHOoFJsE

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#1689259 - 06/02/11 01:31 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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I have no idea what FTCL is, and I'd bet most people here don't either.

Maybe it's just me, but I think it's usually a mistake to use jargon or abbreviations that aren't widely known without explaining them.
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#1689262 - 06/02/11 01:33 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Sorry, FTCL is the highest level of diploma you can get at Trinity which I think is equivalent to a full course at a music conservatory. Was just too excited :P sorry

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#1689265 - 06/02/11 01:36 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Oh OK......I thought maybe it was some kind of chemical. ha
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#1689278 - 06/02/11 01:55 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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The talents and skills of some young musicians really makes me wonder why some of us even bother to continue.

There is a young pianist in Victoria who completed her ARCT (Associateship of the Royal Conservatory of Music, Toronto) at age 12, with distinction on the piano practical (90% or better). This means not only having to perform at a professional level works of a minimum difficulty of
- a Prelude and Fugue by Bach
- a complete Beethoven, Mozart, or Schubert Sonata
- a Chopin Ballade, or the Berceuse, or the Barcarolle, or the Fantaisie
- one of the more difficult of the Debussy Preludes
- a modern work as difficult as the Barber Ballade, the Prokofiev Sonata No 3,
- a concert Etude chosen from among the Debussy Etudes, the Chopin Etudes (except Op 25, No 2), the Liszt Transcendental Etudes
as well has having completed
all of the following :
- Counterpoint Grade4
- Advanced Harmony (Grade 5)
- History, Grade 5
- Analysis, Grade 5

How has anyone at the tender age of 12 found time to learn, absorb and understand all this?

Indeed, there are prodigies and geniuses around!

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#1689290 - 06/02/11 02:15 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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By any chance does anyone know the name of the piece he was playing?

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#1689298 - 06/02/11 02:35 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
The talents and skills of some young musicians really makes me wonder why some of us even bother to continue.

There is a young pianist in Victoria who completed her ARCT (Associateship of the Royal Conservatory of Music, Toronto) at age 12, with distinction on the piano practical (90% or better). This means not only having to perform at a professional level works of a minimum difficulty of
- a Prelude and Fugue by Bach
- a complete Beethoven, Mozart, or Schubert Sonata
- a Chopin Ballade, or the Berceuse, or the Barcarolle, or the Fantaisie
- one of the more difficult of the Debussy Preludes
- a modern work as difficult as the Barber Ballade, the Prokofiev Sonata No 3,
- a concert Etude chosen from among the Debussy Etudes, the Chopin Etudes (except Op 25, No 2), the Liszt Transcendental Etudes
as well has having completed
all of the following :
- Counterpoint Grade4
- Advanced Harmony (Grade 5)
- History, Grade 5
- Analysis, Grade 5

How has anyone at the tender age of 12 found time to learn, absorb and understand all this?

Indeed, there are prodigies and geniuses around!

Regards,


Wow, that is indeed impressive! Yes, there is such a thing as talent and when hard work is added to it, look out !

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#1689301 - 06/02/11 02:40 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Wow. Sounds like he is going to have a prosperous future!
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#1689320 - 06/02/11 03:07 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Amazing! I didn't do that until I was around 13.5 years old. wink

What piece is he playing in the video?


Edited by pianoloverus (06/02/11 03:14 PM)

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#1689397 - 06/02/11 05:19 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD

There is a young pianist in Victoria who completed her ARCT (Associateship of the Royal Conservatory of Music, Toronto) at age 12


Interesting coincidence: a truly phenomenal piano student at Rice right now also got his ARCT at 12. Then he got another one for viola at 15. Some people you just can't keep down!

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#1689543 - 06/02/11 09:38 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: AldenH]
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Originally Posted By: AldenH
Originally Posted By: BruceD

There is a young pianist in Victoria who completed her ARCT (Associateship of the Royal Conservatory of Music, Toronto) at age 12


Interesting coincidence: a truly phenomenal piano student at Rice right now also got his ARCT at 12. Then he got another one for viola at 15. Some people you just can't keep down!

Maybe playing the viola keeps him down laugh.


^^I AM COMPLETELY JOKING if anybody takes this too seriously grin.
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#1689557 - 06/02/11 10:03 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Originally Posted By: Kuanpiano
Originally Posted By: AldenH
Originally Posted By: BruceD

There is a young pianist in Victoria who completed her ARCT (Associateship of the Royal Conservatory of Music, Toronto) at age 12


Interesting coincidence: a truly phenomenal piano student at Rice right now also got his ARCT at 12. Then he got another one for viola at 15. Some people you just can't keep down!

Maybe playing the viola keeps him down laugh.


^^I AM COMPLETELY JOKING if anybody takes this too seriously grin.


I lol'ed.

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#1689568 - 06/02/11 10:14 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Originally Posted By: Kuanpiano
Originally Posted By: AldenH
Originally Posted By: BruceD

There is a young pianist in Victoria who completed her ARCT (Associateship of the Royal Conservatory of Music, Toronto) at age 12


Interesting coincidence: a truly phenomenal piano student at Rice right now also got his ARCT at 12. Then he got another one for viola at 15. Some people you just can't keep down!

Maybe playing the viola keeps him down laugh.


^^I AM COMPLETELY JOKING if anybody takes this too seriously grin.


"We're sorry Mr. Hindemith, you appear only to be as fit as a viola. Mr. Perlman, you are free to go."

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#1689579 - 06/02/11 10:31 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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do these really qualify as prodigies? a lot of kids are capable of entering conversatory by age 13, 14, i don't know if they're all prodigies, or just the result of good parenting. you need talent, for sure, but i estimate that with good parenting, about 10% of all population should be able to get this far.

i have a much higher standard when people start throwing the word "prodigy" around--certainly not something like 10% of population.
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#1689602 - 06/02/11 11:14 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Wow, I just found out that he hates the piano a lot! He doesn't even play for anyone or even for the school at all and when he had a chance to play for the orchestra for a school musical he choose to become a stage crew member! shocked

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#1689605 - 06/02/11 11:20 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Originally Posted By: Vesivian
Wow, I just found out that he hates the piano a lot! He doesn't even play for anyone or even for the school at all and when he had a chance to play for the orchestra for a school musical he choose to become a stage crew member! shocked


If that is really the case, he may be burnt out and may need a little a while away. After a while, he might realize what he had and start to miss it and appreciate it more.

Of course, at his age, he may continue to be pressured to excel and it could burn him out even more. But I hope that he doesn't continue to dislike playing the piano. Maybe he will appreciate it more as he ages.

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#1689610 - 06/02/11 11:32 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Vesivian
Wow, I just found out that he hates the piano a lot! He doesn't even play for anyone or even for the school at all and when he had a chance to play for the orchestra for a school musical he choose to become a stage crew member! shocked


If that is really the case, he may be burnt out and may need a little a while away. After a while, he might realize what he had and start to miss it and appreciate it more.

Of course, at his age, he may continue to be pressured to excel and it could burn him out even more. But I hope that he doesn't continue to dislike playing the piano. Maybe he will appreciate it more as he ages.


Indeed--in any case, seems like his parents did a good job. He'll appreciate it in a few years, maybe sooner even. Though in my case, wasn't until I got to my late 20s.
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#1689629 - 06/03/11 12:08 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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I often find with kids of that nature that they're so good at such a variety of subjects; music, math, writing, sports; that they don't put their heart into any of them. As far as good parenting goes, yes, he has accomplished a lot more than most of us, but does he have a burning passion for any of them, or did his parents foist it on him? I'm not saying he was unwilling, but cultural mores for people of that descent tend toward the submissive.

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#1689657 - 06/03/11 01:00 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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This boy completed grade 8 (AMEB) at 7:

BUT... he started at 2 1/2...

Are there more child prodigies these days or do we notice them because of YouTube etc.? Do parents make their kids start earlier?
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#1689669 - 06/03/11 01:26 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD

as well has having completed
all of the following :
- Counterpoint Grade4
- Advanced Harmony (Grade 5)
- History, Grade 5
- Analysis, Grade 5




Put me down for Advanced Harmony AND counterpoint Grade 6.. I will get cranking this summer..

What does the kiddo do after this? start a different career?

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#1689799 - 06/03/11 10:03 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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And this doctor did his FTCL at 11.

http://pianofortephilia.blogspot.com/2010/10/lin-xiu-min-piano-recital-review.html

But the point of such comparisons escapes me. smile
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#1692097 - 06/07/11 04:04 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Without detracting one iota from the achievements of these amazing kids, I'd just like to point out that I was 46 when I completed my ARCT -- that was impressive for a completely different set of reasons smile And I did not end up hating the piano...
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#1776733 - 10/25/11 04:11 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Hey :P Chewbachca, may i know what's your name? :P I googled my name and i saw this haha. And i created an account just to ask you this laugh

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#1776741 - 10/25/11 05:26 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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I get the feeling though that not all of these kids are going to grow up loving to play the piano. In my anecdotal experience with some people I know they are in it for the prestige and applause, so once you reach the age where your playing hits a ceiling and people no longer wow over your performance they would much rather do something else rather than touching the piano.

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#1776816 - 10/25/11 10:14 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: ChopinAddict]
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I saw him on Australia Got Talent 2 Years ago. He started very very early and his dad is a pianist / teacher, which is also a big advantage.

Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
This boy completed grade 8 (AMEB) at 7:

BUT... he started at 2 1/2...

Are there more child prodigies these days or do we notice them because of YouTube etc.? Do parents make their kids start earlier?
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#1776821 - 10/25/11 10:30 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Some of them will end up in a sanatorium or being serial killers. add some random quote from Rubinstein here please.
Look at the age the gold medal gymnasts are... the younger the better so much that there are regulations (remember the China scandal about that last Olympics?).
That is like piano... talent + hard work at ridiculously young age.

When I think about pianist that gave me something "more" I think about Rubinstein, Horowitz, Askenazy, Arrau, Richter, Algerich, Gould... and many more... and I don't picture their faces as kids.

It's impressive to absorb that kind of notions as a child... but at that age (been there, done that) you're way more of a computer able to "reproduce" what you learn more than being able to process the information and develop your own theories.... you need the information, but only if you aren't burn in the process you MIGHT say something original by your 30's and beyond.

To me piano playing isn't a 100 meters run... it's a life long marathon.
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#1776833 - 10/25/11 10:52 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Dmitris Sgouros graduated from the Royal Academy of Music, London at 13 with the highest marks the Academy has ever awarded, but at 12 he'd already graduated with a Professor's Diploma and Gold Medal from Athens Conservatoire. And he'd already made his Carnegie Hall debut at 12, playing Rachmaninoff's 3rd Concerto with Rostropovich, and went on to record it with the Berliner Philharmoniker a year later.

Impressive, no? grin

And he's still playing.....

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#1776836 - 10/25/11 10:57 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: kahlong94]
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Hey :P Chewbachca, may i know what's your name? :P I googled my name and i saw this haha. And i created an account just to ask you this laugh


Hehe, please stick around. Glad to have you on board. smile

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#1776844 - 10/25/11 11:14 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Originally Posted By: Chewbachca
By any chance does anyone know the name of the piece he was playing?


I'd like to know this myself. This appears to be a 20th century composition. From 3:53 on, the piece is a paraphrase of Beethoven's Turkish March from the Ruins of Athens.


Edited by carey (10/25/11 11:16 AM)
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#1776904 - 10/25/11 12:56 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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I bet he'll come to hate the instrument faster than I ever will.
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