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#1689256 - 06/02/11 01:27 PM Wow! FTCL at the age of 13!
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Wow apparently this kid called Aw Kah Long had received a FTCL at the age of 13! And whats even more stunning is that he studies at my school! laugh yay!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StfcHOoFJsE

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#1689259 - 06/02/11 01:31 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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I have no idea what FTCL is, and I'd bet most people here don't either.

Maybe it's just me, but I think it's usually a mistake to use jargon or abbreviations that aren't widely known without explaining them.
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#1689262 - 06/02/11 01:33 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Sorry, FTCL is the highest level of diploma you can get at Trinity which I think is equivalent to a full course at a music conservatory. Was just too excited :P sorry

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#1689265 - 06/02/11 01:36 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Oh OK......I thought maybe it was some kind of chemical. ha
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#1689278 - 06/02/11 01:55 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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The talents and skills of some young musicians really makes me wonder why some of us even bother to continue.

There is a young pianist in Victoria who completed her ARCT (Associateship of the Royal Conservatory of Music, Toronto) at age 12, with distinction on the piano practical (90% or better). This means not only having to perform at a professional level works of a minimum difficulty of
- a Prelude and Fugue by Bach
- a complete Beethoven, Mozart, or Schubert Sonata
- a Chopin Ballade, or the Berceuse, or the Barcarolle, or the Fantaisie
- one of the more difficult of the Debussy Preludes
- a modern work as difficult as the Barber Ballade, the Prokofiev Sonata No 3,
- a concert Etude chosen from among the Debussy Etudes, the Chopin Etudes (except Op 25, No 2), the Liszt Transcendental Etudes
as well has having completed
all of the following :
- Counterpoint Grade4
- Advanced Harmony (Grade 5)
- History, Grade 5
- Analysis, Grade 5

How has anyone at the tender age of 12 found time to learn, absorb and understand all this?

Indeed, there are prodigies and geniuses around!

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#1689290 - 06/02/11 02:15 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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By any chance does anyone know the name of the piece he was playing?

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#1689298 - 06/02/11 02:35 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
The talents and skills of some young musicians really makes me wonder why some of us even bother to continue.

There is a young pianist in Victoria who completed her ARCT (Associateship of the Royal Conservatory of Music, Toronto) at age 12, with distinction on the piano practical (90% or better). This means not only having to perform at a professional level works of a minimum difficulty of
- a Prelude and Fugue by Bach
- a complete Beethoven, Mozart, or Schubert Sonata
- a Chopin Ballade, or the Berceuse, or the Barcarolle, or the Fantaisie
- one of the more difficult of the Debussy Preludes
- a modern work as difficult as the Barber Ballade, the Prokofiev Sonata No 3,
- a concert Etude chosen from among the Debussy Etudes, the Chopin Etudes (except Op 25, No 2), the Liszt Transcendental Etudes
as well has having completed
all of the following :
- Counterpoint Grade4
- Advanced Harmony (Grade 5)
- History, Grade 5
- Analysis, Grade 5

How has anyone at the tender age of 12 found time to learn, absorb and understand all this?

Indeed, there are prodigies and geniuses around!

Regards,


Wow, that is indeed impressive! Yes, there is such a thing as talent and when hard work is added to it, look out !

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#1689301 - 06/02/11 02:40 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Wow. Sounds like he is going to have a prosperous future!
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#1689320 - 06/02/11 03:07 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Amazing! I didn't do that until I was around 13.5 years old. wink

What piece is he playing in the video?


Edited by pianoloverus (06/02/11 03:14 PM)

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#1689397 - 06/02/11 05:19 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD

There is a young pianist in Victoria who completed her ARCT (Associateship of the Royal Conservatory of Music, Toronto) at age 12


Interesting coincidence: a truly phenomenal piano student at Rice right now also got his ARCT at 12. Then he got another one for viola at 15. Some people you just can't keep down!

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#1689543 - 06/02/11 09:38 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: AldenH]
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Originally Posted By: AldenH
Originally Posted By: BruceD

There is a young pianist in Victoria who completed her ARCT (Associateship of the Royal Conservatory of Music, Toronto) at age 12


Interesting coincidence: a truly phenomenal piano student at Rice right now also got his ARCT at 12. Then he got another one for viola at 15. Some people you just can't keep down!

Maybe playing the viola keeps him down laugh.


^^I AM COMPLETELY JOKING if anybody takes this too seriously grin.
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#1689557 - 06/02/11 10:03 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Originally Posted By: Kuanpiano
Originally Posted By: AldenH
Originally Posted By: BruceD

There is a young pianist in Victoria who completed her ARCT (Associateship of the Royal Conservatory of Music, Toronto) at age 12


Interesting coincidence: a truly phenomenal piano student at Rice right now also got his ARCT at 12. Then he got another one for viola at 15. Some people you just can't keep down!

Maybe playing the viola keeps him down laugh.


^^I AM COMPLETELY JOKING if anybody takes this too seriously grin.


I lol'ed.

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#1689568 - 06/02/11 10:14 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Originally Posted By: Kuanpiano
Originally Posted By: AldenH
Originally Posted By: BruceD

There is a young pianist in Victoria who completed her ARCT (Associateship of the Royal Conservatory of Music, Toronto) at age 12


Interesting coincidence: a truly phenomenal piano student at Rice right now also got his ARCT at 12. Then he got another one for viola at 15. Some people you just can't keep down!

Maybe playing the viola keeps him down laugh.


^^I AM COMPLETELY JOKING if anybody takes this too seriously grin.


"We're sorry Mr. Hindemith, you appear only to be as fit as a viola. Mr. Perlman, you are free to go."

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#1689579 - 06/02/11 10:31 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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do these really qualify as prodigies? a lot of kids are capable of entering conversatory by age 13, 14, i don't know if they're all prodigies, or just the result of good parenting. you need talent, for sure, but i estimate that with good parenting, about 10% of all population should be able to get this far.

i have a much higher standard when people start throwing the word "prodigy" around--certainly not something like 10% of population.

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#1689602 - 06/02/11 11:14 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Wow, I just found out that he hates the piano a lot! He doesn't even play for anyone or even for the school at all and when he had a chance to play for the orchestra for a school musical he choose to become a stage crew member! shocked

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#1689605 - 06/02/11 11:20 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Originally Posted By: Vesivian
Wow, I just found out that he hates the piano a lot! He doesn't even play for anyone or even for the school at all and when he had a chance to play for the orchestra for a school musical he choose to become a stage crew member! shocked


If that is really the case, he may be burnt out and may need a little a while away. After a while, he might realize what he had and start to miss it and appreciate it more.

Of course, at his age, he may continue to be pressured to excel and it could burn him out even more. But I hope that he doesn't continue to dislike playing the piano. Maybe he will appreciate it more as he ages.

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#1689610 - 06/02/11 11:32 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Vesivian
Wow, I just found out that he hates the piano a lot! He doesn't even play for anyone or even for the school at all and when he had a chance to play for the orchestra for a school musical he choose to become a stage crew member! shocked


If that is really the case, he may be burnt out and may need a little a while away. After a while, he might realize what he had and start to miss it and appreciate it more.

Of course, at his age, he may continue to be pressured to excel and it could burn him out even more. But I hope that he doesn't continue to dislike playing the piano. Maybe he will appreciate it more as he ages.


Indeed--in any case, seems like his parents did a good job. He'll appreciate it in a few years, maybe sooner even. Though in my case, wasn't until I got to my late 20s.

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#1689629 - 06/03/11 12:08 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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I often find with kids of that nature that they're so good at such a variety of subjects; music, math, writing, sports; that they don't put their heart into any of them. As far as good parenting goes, yes, he has accomplished a lot more than most of us, but does he have a burning passion for any of them, or did his parents foist it on him? I'm not saying he was unwilling, but cultural mores for people of that descent tend toward the submissive.

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#1689657 - 06/03/11 01:00 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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This boy completed grade 8 (AMEB) at 7:

BUT... he started at 2 1/2...

Are there more child prodigies these days or do we notice them because of YouTube etc.? Do parents make their kids start earlier?
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#1689669 - 06/03/11 01:26 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: BruceD]
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as well has having completed
all of the following :
- Counterpoint Grade4
- Advanced Harmony (Grade 5)
- History, Grade 5
- Analysis, Grade 5




Put me down for Advanced Harmony AND counterpoint Grade 6.. I will get cranking this summer..

What does the kiddo do after this? start a different career?

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#1689799 - 06/03/11 10:03 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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And this doctor did his FTCL at 11.

http://pianofortephilia.blogspot.com/2010/10/lin-xiu-min-piano-recital-review.html

But the point of such comparisons escapes me. smile
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#1692097 - 06/07/11 04:04 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Without detracting one iota from the achievements of these amazing kids, I'd just like to point out that I was 46 when I completed my ARCT -- that was impressive for a completely different set of reasons smile And I did not end up hating the piano...
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#1776733 - 10/25/11 04:11 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Hey :P Chewbachca, may i know what's your name? :P I googled my name and i saw this haha. And i created an account just to ask you this laugh

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#1776741 - 10/25/11 05:26 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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I get the feeling though that not all of these kids are going to grow up loving to play the piano. In my anecdotal experience with some people I know they are in it for the prestige and applause, so once you reach the age where your playing hits a ceiling and people no longer wow over your performance they would much rather do something else rather than touching the piano.

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#1776816 - 10/25/11 10:14 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: ChopinAddict]
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I saw him on Australia Got Talent 2 Years ago. He started very very early and his dad is a pianist / teacher, which is also a big advantage.

Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
This boy completed grade 8 (AMEB) at 7:

BUT... he started at 2 1/2...

Are there more child prodigies these days or do we notice them because of YouTube etc.? Do parents make their kids start earlier?
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#1776821 - 10/25/11 10:30 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Some of them will end up in a sanatorium or being serial killers. add some random quote from Rubinstein here please.
Look at the age the gold medal gymnasts are... the younger the better so much that there are regulations (remember the China scandal about that last Olympics?).
That is like piano... talent + hard work at ridiculously young age.

When I think about pianist that gave me something "more" I think about Rubinstein, Horowitz, Askenazy, Arrau, Richter, Algerich, Gould... and many more... and I don't picture their faces as kids.

It's impressive to absorb that kind of notions as a child... but at that age (been there, done that) you're way more of a computer able to "reproduce" what you learn more than being able to process the information and develop your own theories.... you need the information, but only if you aren't burn in the process you MIGHT say something original by your 30's and beyond.

To me piano playing isn't a 100 meters run... it's a life long marathon.
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#1776833 - 10/25/11 10:52 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Dmitris Sgouros graduated from the Royal Academy of Music, London at 13 with the highest marks the Academy has ever awarded, but at 12 he'd already graduated with a Professor's Diploma and Gold Medal from Athens Conservatoire. And he'd already made his Carnegie Hall debut at 12, playing Rachmaninoff's 3rd Concerto with Rostropovich, and went on to record it with the Berliner Philharmoniker a year later.

Impressive, no? grin

And he's still playing.....
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#1776836 - 10/25/11 10:57 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: kahlong94]
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Hey :P Chewbachca, may i know what's your name? :P I googled my name and i saw this haha. And i created an account just to ask you this laugh


Hehe, please stick around. Glad to have you on board. smile

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#1776844 - 10/25/11 11:14 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Originally Posted By: Chewbachca
By any chance does anyone know the name of the piece he was playing?


I'd like to know this myself. This appears to be a 20th century composition. From 3:53 on, the piece is a paraphrase of Beethoven's Turkish March from the Ruins of Athens.


Edited by carey (10/25/11 11:16 AM)
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#1776904 - 10/25/11 12:56 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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I bet he'll come to hate the instrument faster than I ever will.
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#1776950 - 10/25/11 02:06 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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What these kids do is absolutely incredible, no doubt. But sometimes, with the grading schemes it feels a heck of a lot like rhythmic gymanistics and not very much like art.

What is the visual art equivalent? Do they have grades and exams, so you can be XY-17 by age 9? What would you be doing? Reproducing and interpreting famous artworks from different eras in painting, sculpture, etc. under time pressure?

This is why classical music is dead. But on the upside, if we keep up the codification and quantification of "skill", piano may be added to the olympics soon.
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#1777004 - 10/25/11 04:18 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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I feel that we need to hear the young pianist's point of view and explain how much he loves (or doesn't love) what he's doing before just throwing out statements like "He'll grow up to hate it", or how it's just mimicking teachers and recordings instead of art.

I mean, sure, it's hard to be a profound, experienced artist when one is young, but that's a part of the growing process, is it not?

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#1777183 - 10/25/11 09:22 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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i think the concern is the amount of practice required for these kids to get to where they are when it is difficult to get any kid to sit down and focus on something for hours on end. there's been too many examples of parents living vicariously through their child nowaday, and my fear is that they are motivated to play for the wrong reasons even if they are naturally talented and enjoy the music

from personal experience sometimes mixing your hobby with your job just turns it into a chore

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#1777263 - 10/26/11 12:20 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Haha for those of you who wants to know what the song name is. I don't remember, it's been really long since i played it :P but it's something like Ruins of the Athens.

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#1777446 - 10/26/11 10:59 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: kahlong94]
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Originally Posted By: kahlong94
Haha for those of you who wants to know what the song name is. I don't remember, it's been really long since i played it :P but it's something like Ruins of the Athens.


Yes - after a long introduction the piece eventually morphs into a paraphrase of Beethoven's Turkish March from the Ruins of Athens - but obviously this modern arrangement is not by Beethoven. smile
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#1777454 - 10/26/11 11:15 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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I have this friend in London who was a piano "prodigy". Her brother told me this, she never did. She still loves music (in her mid 30s now), and met her Anyway , he told me she was "freaky", started playing at 9-10, was playing the Rach 2nd and 3rd concertos at age 15. She got a lot of pressure from the Conservatory and her environment, and kept playing. She only played live in small venues and for chamber music programs only. By the time she went to Uni at 18, she totally gave up piano and has never played again. There s still a grand Yamaha at her parent' s, but she s never sat at it ever again. Whenever i ve spoken to her about it, she doesn t say she ended up hating it, just that she liked a different life and career better (she s a quite successful recruiter now), and that she was not going to play piano part time only.

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#1777488 - 10/26/11 12:44 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: carey]
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Originally Posted By: carey
Originally Posted By: kahlong94
Haha for those of you who wants to know what the song name is. I don't remember, it's been really long since i played it :P but it's something like Ruins of the Athens.


Yes - after a long introduction the piece eventually morphs into a paraphrase of Beethoven's Turkish March from the Ruins of Athens - but obviously this modern arrangement is not by Beethoven. smile


It took some investigation, but I found it:

Fantasie ├╝ber Motive aus Beethovens Ruinen von Athen, S.122 (Liszt, Franz)

http://imslp.org/wiki/Fantasie_%C3%BCber_Motive_aus_Beethovens_Ruinen_von_Athen,_S.122_(Liszt,_Franz)

I think the player took a cut in the beginning and skipped the cadenza.
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#1777555 - 10/26/11 02:23 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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This is how Liszt gets a reputation for writing trashy music. There is nothing musical about this performance. There is just episode after episode of complex and difficult passagework, none of it connected in a long line that would give you a sense of the piece as a whole. The playing is sloppy; the opening trills for example give little evidence that there is a melody buried in all that labored effort. There is no lightness in the playing, and a sense of bravura is missing because the performer does not have a comfortable and relaxed command of the material. He can barely show an ability to create a tonal contrast from bar to bar.

This music could probably be credibly performed by Cyprien Katsaris, Arcadi Volodos (who has his own spectacular version of the Turkish March of Mozart), or Marc-Andre Hamelin. A teacher should not assign this music to a teenager no matter how talented because it is not clear the student would have a mature control of the instrument. This does not just mean a mature interpretive skill - it means an ability to play a virtuoso piece with complete relaxation which comes after many years of experience.

As a result, this performer does no credit to himself and does a complete disservice to Liszt.

[It is not clear from the score that the Alternativo (Andante fantastico) should serve as a replacement for the opening section that precedes it. By performing it this way, there is little hint until halfway through the composition that you are listening to a transcription of the Ruins of Athens. Maybe it was intended to be added to the first section.]


Edited by Numerian (10/26/11 04:14 PM)

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#1777618 - 10/26/11 04:06 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Numerian]
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I originally suspected that the piece might have been by Liszt - but it just didn't add up. Now it all makes sense. Thanks !!

Here's a "performance" (piano roll by Ferruccio Busoni) of the original complete work. The section that our 13 year old pianist plays starts at around 4:50 in this recording. And yes - by starting at this point in the piece the listener doesn't realize this is a transcription of the Turkish March from the Ruins of Athens until halfway though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsdWyPBeDJI





Edited by carey (10/26/11 04:07 PM)
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#1777642 - 10/26/11 04:35 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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This was the Fantasie on Themes from the Ruins of Athens, S. 122 in solo version. Our 13 year old artist performed the Capriccio on the same themes, S. 388. There is some similarity at the opening but then the two works veer off in different directions. It is as if Liszt had an endless variety of piano variations he could concoct for any music. The Fantasie is also available with orchestral accompaniment and 2nd piano accompaniment. I wonder why it isn't performed as a piano concerto? It is certainly both musical and effective. Maybe it is hard to find the individual scores for the orchestra players.

Busoni was thought of by his contemporaries as one of the cleanest performers around, and it shows. He is virtually note perfect, with elegant style, and attention to the long line I was talking about earlier. His piano on this recording roll from 1907 sounds wonderfully rich - I think they used Steinways for these piano rolls.


Edited by Numerian (10/26/11 04:36 PM)

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#1777661 - 10/26/11 04:59 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Numerian - Thanks for the clarification.

A Capriccio AND a Fantasie....that's almost TOO much of a good thing. crazy

Fantasie (orchestral version S.122)
Fantasie (solo piano version S. 389)
Capriccio (solo piano S. 388)

Here's the Capriccio (well worth listening to). The 13 year old pianist started playing at around 2:50 into the piece. Big difference between the two performances !! grin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJugrSf9El4


Edited by carey (10/26/11 05:01 PM)
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#1777687 - 10/26/11 05:39 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Who is the artist? Certainly a professional, but there is no identification. If it is the person posting the recording then they are overly modest.

Try this! Michel Beroff playing the piano accompanied by orchestra of S.122. A spectacular performance. It begs the question once again: why isn't this piece in the regular repertoire for orchestras and pianists?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJzKVDiBbtU

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#1777827 - 10/26/11 09:18 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: carey]
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Haha i didn't skip the first part. The person who recorded it only started recording after 4 minutes :P I played the whole piece. (badly) frown i didnt know what mistakes were when i was that age.


Edited by kahlong94 (10/26/11 09:20 PM)

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#1777937 - 10/27/11 01:20 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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Kahlong94 -

Thanks for the further explanation !! Makes sense !!

I see that the original video is over 3 years old.

Are you still studying piano??
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#1778016 - 10/27/11 07:52 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: carey]
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Originally Posted By: carey
Kahlong94 -

Thanks for the further explanation !! Makes sense !!

I see that the original video is over 3 years old.

Are you still studying piano??



You're most welcome. Haven't been playing regularly, but i do sometimes when i'm free smile Just fiddling with songs i like.

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#1778022 - 10/27/11 08:21 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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I hope so too. Remember, it is not just the mistakes that need fixing in the performance. It is the interpretation that matters more, and in the long run, that is more interesting and fun to work on than just the mechanical aspects. Also, there are hundreds of other pieces you can work on, including some by Liszt, that will show off your considerable technical talents but also allow you to play the music with confidence and musical flair. I think this is why conservatories assign the Chopin etudes to their advanced students; they are great pieces for working simultaneously on your technique and your musical understanding.

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#1778121 - 10/27/11 11:49 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Ataru074]
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Originally Posted By: Ataru074

When I think about pianist that gave me something "more" I think about Rubinstein, Horowitz, Askenazy, Arrau, Richter, Algerich, Gould... and many more... and I don't picture their faces as kids.
Almost all the above were phenomenal pianists at an early age. Much better than the pianist in the OP's video, although he's extremley good also.

In fact, almost all the great pianists were incredibly good at an early age.


Edited by pianoloverus (10/27/11 04:17 PM)

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#1778126 - 10/27/11 11:54 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
I feel that we need to hear the young pianist's point of view and explain how much he loves (or doesn't love) what he's doing before just throwing out statements like "He'll grow up to hate it", or how it's just mimicking teachers and recordings instead of art.

I mean, sure, it's hard to be a profound, experienced artist when one is young, but that's a part of the growing process, is it not?
Totally agree. And I think some of the greatest pianists are even profound at age 13.

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#1778130 - 10/27/11 11:57 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Numerian]
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A teacher should not assign this music to a teenager no matter how talented because it is not clear the student would have a mature control of the instrument. This does not just mean a mature interpretive skill - it means an ability to play a virtuoso piece with complete relaxation which comes after many years of experience.
Many, probably most, of the great pianists had a high level of virutoso technique already by the age of 13 or soon thereafter.


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#1778236 - 10/27/11 03:32 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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i am always curious to see the human side of these kids. An interview asking them kid questions.

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#1778256 - 10/27/11 04:00 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: kahlong94]
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Originally Posted By: kahlong94

You're most welcome. Haven't been playing regularly, but i do sometimes when i'm free smile Just fiddling with songs i like.

Hey, don't give up on your dream - you decide your life. Go for what you want.

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#1778259 - 10/27/11 04:13 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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By the way, the person you are all talking about has posted on this thread.
I would suggest to stop this trend of criticizing someone who has no chance of answering back. Or worse, when it is possible - as with this case - for the person in question to visit this website and find a discussion, many times a stupid and pointless one, about him.

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#1778266 - 10/27/11 04:34 PM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: MadForBrad]
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i am always curious to see the human side of these kids. An interview asking them kid questions.
Some examples of what you're looking for:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq2cFawDeTk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiMY2HtxPPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwHCi_5YGWE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMMSLYZ0mXQ&feature=related

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#1784002 - 11/06/11 03:38 AM Re: Wow! FTCL at the age of 13! [Re: Gould]
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how about this girl:
"at the age of ten, Tami completed her ARCT (Associate of the Royal Conservatory of Toronto), finishing both the academic and piano performance requirements of the diploma with first class honours with distinction."... you can find her on youtube as well!!

there other pianists who don't even have their arct like Annie Zhou but really have achieved something to be proud of already smile
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