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#1686764 - 05/29/11 10:09 PM New Beginner, age 57
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I have been playing piano for about 2 yrs. I am not new to music, started playing cello in 4th grade, played violin, clarinet, and a little organ. I seem to lack confidence in myself now, at this age of 57. Is there anyone out there that is about my age, and worries about being able to site read? I get frustrated at times....but won't quit. My piano teacher is constantly challenging me to some the hardest songs......

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#1686786 - 05/29/11 11:16 PM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Welcome to the forum, Musical Tom. smile

I think we all lack confidence at some time or the other. Your sight reading *will* improve, even if the improvement seems discouragingly gradual. The best way to improve sight reading, imo, is not by tackling challenging pieces but by engaging in sight-reading practice with slightly easier material than what you are capable of mastering with a little effort.
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#1686794 - 05/29/11 11:36 PM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Tom, don't be afraid to veer off the path of structured sheet music from time to time.

Do you ever get your own musical thoughts? Do you ever play these melodies or incorporate them into your music? There is a whole other world out there to explore with your own creative input.

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#1686815 - 05/30/11 12:43 AM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Welcome Tom. I share your passion for playing piano as well as your age (I'm 57 also). My teacher currently has me practicing pieces from 2 different books. One I find challenging, and the other seems somewhat easier where I use it to sight read the pieces. I guess it helps to keep the confidence level up, which also makes learning fun.
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#1686857 - 05/30/11 02:55 AM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Originally Posted By: Musical Tom
I seem to lack confidence in myself now, at this age of 57. Is there anyone out there that is about my age, and worries about being able to site read?

Welcome, young man wink. I started learning piano at the age of 57, 2.5 years ago.

Yes, I also have episodes of lack of confidence from time to time and I think it's normal, as Monica said.

Being able to sight read (play a vista) is great, but not essential unless you want to be a pro. You may just perform only learned pieces, playing them from the score or having them memorized and playing from memory, depending on your preference. There are even very good pianists who are not good sight-readers.

As others have said, the level of difficulty of pieces to be sight-read is well below your performance level.
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#1686932 - 05/30/11 07:57 AM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Thanks for all the votes of confidence. I am happy to hear I am not the only 57yo newbie out there.......It takes all I have to not get frustrated and want to quit......I am working on it.....and I am sure those that have responded, are as well. I would be happy to support anyone if I can as well. We need ea. other for encouragement. I admire anyone at any age, starting to play.......it's a gift and great therapy....

Tom
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#1686946 - 05/30/11 08:35 AM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Tom I can relate to your situation and have a few thoughts to share. I started playing in my mid-50’s and am now 61 (where has the time gone!) smile. Other than 1 year of lessons at age 10, I had no other musical training to sight read. When I started lessons my goal was to just enjoy playing without going through an overly structured training program. My teacher started me off with Hal Leonard’s “The Easy Fake Book” and “Your First Fake Book” featuring simplified harmonies and melodies all in the key of C. The music notation is larger for ease of reading for us old guys (LOL). Only five basic cords are used in major, minor, seventh, diminished and augmented. My teacher taught me easy rules to form the cords. Also there is a handy cord speller chart included in the back of the book. I concentrated on learning all the cords in the different keys in 1st, 2nd and 3rd inversions. Now they come naturally without thinking and I can concentrate on sight reading only the melody with the right hand. By learning to play the melody and filling in the basic with cords I was able to play over 60 popular songs in a couple of years which gave me a feeling of accomplishment and confidence. During the holidays Christmas music is enjoyable using melody and cords. My sight reading has greatly improved over time. I have gone on to more challenging Classical music where sight reading is much more disciplined. If a piece is difficult one of my teacher’s favorite techniques is to have me start at the last measure or phrase and work backwards, aiming to perfect that section before working on the rest of the piece. The idea is to learn a small part rather than playing a whole page and learning nothing. Talk to your teacher about starting off slowly and choose music you enjoy. Your determination not to quit will make you successful but small wins will eliminate the frustration.

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#1686970 - 05/30/11 09:11 AM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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59 here, and started a few years ago. As all have said, it WILL come, though from day to day it doesn't seem like it.

And, yes, there is a difference between reading the score and sight-reading. I might compare it to a junior high school student reading aloud from Dr. Seuss and Shakespeare. The sight-reading, for him, is from Dr. Seuss. It's well below his reading level, and he can easily and fluently read the words at sight-with enough humorous intonation to make his little brother laugh. The Shakespeare, though, is way above his level. Though he may read it slowly and laboriously at first, with practice and coaching he'll be able to get through a speech quite passably. However, give him another speech he hasn't seen before, and he's right back to the halting and stumbling reading that he gave the first time.

That's the same with us adult learners. As we improve, the small little elementary pieces give us no trouble, but the more complicated ones must be learned measure by measure and worked over very carefully. I have found, though, that VERY SLOWLY the material I can perform quickly and easily has gotten a little bit more complex. You will find that too--IF YOU SIT DOWN AND PLAY EVERY DAY. It doesn't have to be long, but it has to be consistent.
Good luck.
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#1686980 - 05/30/11 09:24 AM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Hi Tom
Welcome. I took piano lessons as a child but didn't practice, and started taking lessons again more than 50 years later. And I claim the title of the "world's worst sight-reader".
My teacher says that it comes with further practice and "pattern recognition". For the time being, struggling with getting the right notes, hitting the right keys in the right way with the right fingers, etc.
It's a difficult path. But it's well worth it. And it's good for keeping the 50+ year old mind very active.

Frito

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#1686997 - 05/30/11 09:54 AM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Hi Tom,

Welcome to the forum.

I started lesson at age 60 and must have "quit" at least once a week.

Thanks to my PW friends and really wanting to learn to play, I hung in there. Never
give up, keep at it, sight-reading will come with time and follow Monica's advice.

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#1687012 - 05/30/11 10:12 AM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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I am 56, and started playing piano only four months ago. I played the violin for a really long time, and sightread almost every single note. The difference now is that you have two staves to comprehend simultaneously. I have researched the topic of sightreading. The eluted wisdom suggests that sightreading is skill that can be acquired by practice. But how to practice it?

My teachers said: "Don't look at your hands. Feel the intervals. Try to see the two staves as a unit, and look ahead." Much easier said than done! But, I started on easy stuff, and followed my teacher's advice (which I pay for, so getting my money's worth is important). Voila'! Over a few weeks, I started to get it. Now, I press forward with slighly more complex pieces. It gets easier.

Good luck.
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#1687055 - 05/30/11 11:10 AM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: painter55]
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Originally Posted By: painter55
(...)My teachers said: "Don't look at your hands. Feel the intervals(...)

That's a good advice. I would say, "Fell the intervals, AND fell the music".

Good luck!
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#1687199 - 05/30/11 03:51 PM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Our backgrounds are similar. I started piano five years ago at 55. Played a saxophone for 7 years thru high school so I can "read" and understand printed music. Sight reading (in the context of piano) is an often discussed topic here on PW. I personally don't understand why. Yes there are situations that require the ability, but as a recreational player with interest in blues, boogie and rock, I learn a song one hand at a time, four measures at a time, commit it to memory and then almost never look at the music again.

Practicing sight reading for its own sake IMHO isn't the best use of my time. I'll spend it practicing scales, inversions, arpeggios, etc and learning songs. Along the way my sight reading has improved too.

Improvement comes in erratic spurts. I just keep grinding along and every now and then - I surprise myself.

Keep at it. hth

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#1687249 - 05/30/11 05:33 PM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Hi, thanks all, I find all the comments quite encouraging. My old teacher was trying to teach me all the scales, cords, etc. But, the new teacher is pushing Hannon exercises.....go figure.....I did learn one song by heart, after practicing it several and I mean several times.......lol. Here is the link, I am a beginner, so made some mistakes, and don't play it as fast as some people can.....It's the Maple Leaf Rag....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks_YX1_b2ZQ

Thanks again everyone....

Tom
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#1687294 - 05/30/11 06:46 PM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Musical Tom - after reading your post on this topic I was not at all prepared for how well you played this piece. You are indeed musical, Tom.
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#1687311 - 05/30/11 07:11 PM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: BillM]
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I played this several and I mean several times......and I still make mistakes.......I can't play it as fast as some people can.....and it's the only song I learned by heart, the rest I struggle with......I can't play Fur Elise through without making mistakes......it bugs me, but what can you do.....I practice every day, while working full time. To get the Maple Leaf Rag down, I practiced it for hrs. and wanted to give up several times....lol. My teacher didn't let me.....I would love to hear some of you guys play......I am sure everyone does well....as I say, I still struggle through most pieces without making mistakes, and really can't play in front of people, get too nervous.....thanks again everyone. I really enjoy this forum...

Tom
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#1687315 - 05/30/11 07:16 PM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Monica K.]
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Monica, very nice video. I love new age music. You have quite a nice style, which I am sure comes from many hours and love for music. You truly have talent. Thanks for your comments and vote of confidence.

Tom
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#1687316 - 05/30/11 07:17 PM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Tom,
Wonderful performance! I'm jealous and envious and all those other deadly sins, but I've got to give credit where it's due. Bravo!
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#1687320 - 05/30/11 07:22 PM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Michael Steen]
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Thank you Michael, (blushing). I don't mean to brag, just wanted to share.....It's the only song I can play through with the least amt. of mistakes, lol. I am still a bit self-conscious. I appreciate your feedback. It would be nice to hear others play as well.....I would love that....

Tom
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#1687327 - 05/30/11 07:32 PM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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If anyone has a video(s), I would love to hear them.

Tom
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#1687337 - 05/30/11 07:47 PM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Hi Tom,

I have to say "ditto" to the above statements. I gave myself piano lessons at 50 and there are those times that I can't seem to play anything right. All of the advice I have received has been to go slowly, in small doses, keep at it, and it will occur.
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#1687340 - 05/30/11 07:50 PM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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You sir inspire me.

I'm still young and I had to muster up the courage to take lessons. Kudos to you for going after what you want!
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#1696660 - 06/16/11 09:00 PM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Hi Everyone,

I need some encouragement. I am getting a little discouraged, feeling that I am not progressing fast enough. I feel some days, I don't remember anything. I have to practice things over and over again to finally get it.....I just get a little discouraged and feel incompetent with my piano teacher at times....but I know he understands.....does anyone else get this way? I sometimes think it is my age.....

Tom
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#1696671 - 06/16/11 09:31 PM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Hi Musical Tom. I started learning to play at 60. I've been at it for 5 years now. I think you play the Joplin piece very well. I think I hate you. Not really, but I love ragtime and only wish I could play that piece as well as you. I am working on a easy version of Bethena and have only gotten down parts A and B. And I have played it a million times and still make mistakes. So keep up the good work and keep your chin up. Yes my teacher gets on me from time to time about my progress and my practicing, but hey thats what I pay him for.

Welcome to the forumn, its a great place. Keep sending us those videos.
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#1696696 - 06/16/11 10:31 PM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Wow.....I was just going to write an encouraging statement..I'm 58 and I am about 1.5 years into piano playing. Then I listened to your WONDERFUL youtube.....YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING!!! It was AWESOME! Now, I feel like I don't know jack!!!!

:-)

Keep playing those keys!!!

Nancy
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#1696726 - 06/16/11 11:31 PM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Well, I’m 54 and have been learning to play the piano for about 5 years now. I’m having a ball! laugh

I really can’t play all that well, but for some reason it has inspired me to write about 30 original songs, lose 50 pounds and start body building. My blood pressure is 120 over 80 and my total cholesterol is almost in the below normal range. I feel better, younger and more vibrant than I have in years!

And, I’ve mentioned this here before, but I’ve noticed that when I’m at the grocery store shopping, the women I meet in the isle will turn around and take a second look at me! That has never happened before!!! smile

So, I’m thinking that taking up learning to play the piano late in life has more positive effects than you might think…. I’m thinking that if more older, middle-aged individuals would take up learning to play the piano, there might be less of need for convalescent homes!! (Wishful thinking maybe laugh )

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#1696851 - 06/17/11 06:05 AM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Rickster]
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So, I’m thinking that taking up learning to play the piano late in life has more positive effects than you might think…. I’m thinking that if more older, middle-aged individuals would take up learning to play the piano, there might be less of need for convalescent homes!! (Wishful thinking maybe laugh )

Rick


Wishful thinking maybe, but quite accurate! If more people took up something meaningful (like playing music) instead of remaining passive in front of the telly or the internet, they sure would feel better about themselves. I can attest that learning an instrument has many, many positive "secondary benefits" that add quality to (my) life.

John
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#1696861 - 06/17/11 07:11 AM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Thanks to all, I think I "should be" much further ahead than I am. The Joplin piece is the "only" piece I can play by heart with minimal mistakes. The rest of the music I struggle with......I probably should be playing much easier ones. I am way to hard on my self......and that is probably why I get so discouraged......

Tom


Edited by Musical Tom (06/17/11 10:35 AM)
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#1696865 - 06/17/11 07:28 AM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Musical Tom]
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Tom, I was surprised at how well you played this! You have nothing to worry about and you should be very proud of your progress. Playing faster will come with time as your technique improves which will come from scales, arpeggios, some hanon, and from practicing pieces. Speed is nowhere as important as musicality and your playing has that. I too have moments when I feel I want to quit a piece. Some of my pieces have taken me four months to master and even then I still make some mistakes and they are far from perfect. I expect it won't get easier soon , we just have to be patient and to learn to enjoy the little victories. They are what keeps us going. If you can, play your pieces for as many people as possible, maybe ask youf teavher if you could take part on one of her recitals if she organizes such, or do a family reunion thing and prepare a couple of pieces to play for a larger group of your relatives. Personally for me, knowing I will play a piece in front of an audience, pushes me to go further and keeps me motivated. I don't like playing just for myself. I love sharing that. Otherwise I feel like all the hard work goes to waste. Of course I still don't play good in recitals but that will come too. It's very enjoyable nontheless.


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#1696965 - 06/17/11 10:34 AM Re: New Beginner, age 57 [Re: Teodor]
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I am impressed at how supportive everyone has been. I do get discouraged, but, have new hope, as I hear that I am not alone. I feel so incompetent at times, and still get nervous even playing in front of my teacher....

Thanks again to all for the heartfelt encouraging words....

Tom
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