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#1701093 - 06/24/11 09:26 AM The Woods
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#1701231 - 06/24/11 01:16 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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Very pretty with some interesting harmonic turns. However, I'm still listening and I couldn't hum the melody to you. Also, the piece is half over before there's any significant textural change. The second half is a bit more interesting than the first. Good luck.

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#1701266 - 06/24/11 02:27 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Steve Chandler]
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Thanks for your comments, Steve, glad you enjoyed the work.
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#1716465 - 07/19/11 02:40 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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Enchanting and lyrical, thanks for creating music for the pleasure of people to enjoy without asking anything in return, that is so nice of you.

Beautiful music.


Edited by Saul (07/19/11 02:40 PM)
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#1716482 - 07/19/11 03:00 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
Enchanting and lyrical, thanks for creating music for the pleasure of people to enjoy without asking anything in return, that is so nice of you.

Beautiful music.


lol

did you try and create an alt and compliment your music but accidentally use your main name ? lol

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#1716506 - 07/19/11 03:34 PM Re: The Woods [Re: BadOrange]
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I take criticism from those who can also generate a good word or 2, with genuine feeling and sincerity, and are not trying to elevate themselves at my expense.

That was the point of this self-complements, I’m sure you understood what I was trying to do one way or another…
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#1716511 - 07/19/11 03:42 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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nope.Seems rather strange, narcissistic and comical to praise your own work. I won't bother with feedback as you've made it quite clear you are not looking for anything but praise in the other threads. I also thought your private messages telling me to go **** myself odd and unwarranted and I somewhat think you have some issues I am not privy to that might explain your extremely aggressive and abusive behaviour . Hope you you find the help you need.

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#1716517 - 07/19/11 03:48 PM Re: The Woods [Re: BadOrange]
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Originally Posted By: BadOrange
nope.Seems rather strange, narcissistic and comical to praise your own work. I won't bother with feedback as you've made it quite clear you are not looking for anything but praise in the other threads. I also thought your private messages telling me to go **** myself odd and unwarranted and I somewhat think you have some issues I am not privy to that might explain your extremely aggressive and abusive behaviour . Hope you you find the help you need.


Look who's talking, you're the one that has issues, may you find the help you need.

You have a history of attacking me and my music, so don’t pretend that you just don't know what's going on...

I don't look for praise, but for genuine feeling.

I wont accept criticism from those who make it without real and truthful sincerity.

If you want the last word, go ahead and have it…
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#1716519 - 07/19/11 03:48 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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So, are the self-compliments intended as demonstrations of the kind of feedback you're looking for? Am I understanding that correctly?

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#1716520 - 07/19/11 03:50 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Saul


I wont accept criticism from those who make it without real and truthful sincerity.


How do you tell the difference between sincere criticism and insincere criticism?

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#1716522 - 07/19/11 03:52 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Mirior]
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Originally Posted By: Mirior
So, are the self-compliments intended as demonstrations of the kind of feedback you're looking for? Am I understanding that correctly?


No, but the complete utter lacking of any good and nice comments on my music. Good words can be so nice too you know?
And when complements are generated when they are truly deserving instead of complete silence, then the criticism may be considered genuine.

But just opening your mouth and trying to find black holes in people's music, that my friend is not the friendly attitude that creates mutual respect and friendships. And real friends later on can accept criticism in good faith, because they know that everyone really means well.


Edited by Saul (07/19/11 03:53 PM)
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#1716524 - 07/19/11 03:52 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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It is a nice piece but you need to handle input a little more gracefully, and your posts in this thread do come of as narcissistic.
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#1716526 - 07/19/11 03:53 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: BadOrange
nope.Seems rather strange, narcissistic and comical to praise your own work. I won't bother with feedback as you've made it quite clear you are not looking for anything but praise in the other threads. I also thought your private messages telling me to go **** myself odd and unwarranted and I somewhat think you have some issues I am not privy to that might explain your extremely aggressive and abusive behaviour . Hope you you find the help you need.


Look who's talking, you're the one that has issues, may you find the help you need.

You have a history of attacking me and my music, so don’t pretend that you just don't know what's going on...

I don't look for praise, but for genuine feeling.

I wont accept criticism from those who make it without real and truthful sincerity.

If you want the last word, go ahead and have it…


You seem to take constructive criticism as person attacks and it is unfortunate you are not able to let go of your ego and learn, I think this is a very stressful way to look at things. I've never attacked you and actually voiced my criticism in quite a respectful manner, If I say anything rude, it is always after you bounce back with some character attack which you initiate. Even then , what you consider rude is just a reality check to hopefully let reality sink in. Your ego does not match your skill. You are the only one being harmed. I don't know how to illustrate the self sabotage you constantly exhibit. It isn't helping you but as I said, the anger you've shown in those messages to me outline a problem that extends past a piano forum.



I still don't understand what I did to warrant the slew of abusive private messages you sent me. You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder.


Edited by BadOrange (07/19/11 03:56 PM)

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#1716527 - 07/19/11 03:55 PM Re: The Woods [Re: AlphaTerminus]
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Originally Posted By: AlphaTerminus
It is a nice piece but you need to handle input a little more gracefully, and your posts in this thread do come of as narcissistic.


My objection is with 'saying nothing nice' when necessary, and only looking at black holes and then jumping up and saying :"you see"?

I don’t want people just to look at what's bad about my music, but also what's good about it...
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#1716528 - 07/19/11 03:56 PM Re: The Woods [Re: BadOrange]
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Bad Orange:

I wouldn't mess with this dude, he may make us an offer we can't refuse:

http://www.musicalpaintings.net/

Just kidding Saul, your picture looks intimidating.

You are extremely talented. Be secure in that knowledge and lighten up.
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#1716533 - 07/19/11 03:58 PM Re: The Woods [Re: BadOrange]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: BadOrange
nope.Seems rather strange, narcissistic and comical to praise your own work. I won't bother with feedback as you've made it quite clear you are not looking for anything but praise in the other threads. I also thought your private messages telling me to go **** myself odd and unwarranted and I somewhat think you have some issues I am not privy to that might explain your extremely aggressive and abusive behaviour . Hope you you find the help you need.


Look who's talking, you're the one that has issues, may you find the help you need.

You have a history of attacking me and my music, so don’t pretend that you just don't know what's going on...

I don't look for praise, but for genuine feeling.

I wont accept criticism from those who make it without real and truthful sincerity.

If you want the last word, go ahead and have it…


You seem to take constructive criticism as person attacks and it is unfortunate you are not able to let go of your ego and learn, I think this is a very stressful way to look at things. I've never attacked you and actually voiced my criticism in quite a respectful manner, If I say anything rude, it is always after you bounce back with some character attack which you initiate.

I still don't understand what I did to warrant the slew of abusive private messages you sent me. You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder.


Yea, you were banned for no reason...poor thing, you have done nothing wrong... yawn
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#1716534 - 07/19/11 03:58 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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Ah, I see. I agree with you that people shouldn't keep silent about things they like and just point out things they don't like, but what about people who sincerely don't find anything they like in your music? Are they not allowed to comment at all?

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#1716535 - 07/19/11 03:58 PM Re: The Woods [Re: AlphaTerminus]
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Bad Orange:

I wouldn't mess with this dude, he may make us an offer we can't refuse:

http://www.musicalpaintings.net/

Just kidding Saul, your picture looks intimidating.

You are extremely talented. Be secure in that knowledge and lighten up.

LOL ha
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#1716543 - 07/19/11 04:07 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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I think you have enough on your plate. Not sure why I was banned and I received quite a few messages voicing the odd action taken by the moderators but why worry about the past. The fact is that you receive constructive criticism but you would rather hear things that offer nothing but ego stroking. The examples of criticism you claim to desire is not really criticism at all. It is ego stroking and i'm sorry I can't offer that. I wish there was something positive to say about your music but it is extremely juvenile, immature and cliche and as such, I try my best to give you a few ideas on how to improve. I did thank you for posting. Not sure what else you expect. Would you like me to just lie in the future so that you take the real criticism with some level of interest ?



Edited by BadOrange (07/19/11 04:10 PM)

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#1716545 - 07/19/11 04:08 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Mirior]
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but what about people who sincerely don't find anything they like in your music? Are they not allowed to comment at all?


I dont want to hear a word from them. If you hate my music send me hatemail, but dont disturb my thread...
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#1716548 - 07/19/11 04:13 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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nobody hates you or your music. This is a forum for musicians and people actually want to help. You lack some fundamental skills and your compositions suffer. All my criticisms have been free of emotion, direct and quite specific. I really don't see how one could take such offence to someone that took the time to listen, the time to write some ideas on how to improve.

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#1716549 - 07/19/11 04:13 PM Re: The Woods [Re: BadOrange]
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Originally Posted By: BadOrange
I wish there was something positive to say about your music but it is extremely juvenile, immature and cliche and as such...


You really wish that upon a falling star...?

You just cant stand the fact that I get loads of fan mail and that my music is loved by many people.

I know its tough for you, but you have to face reality.
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#1716551 - 07/19/11 04:15 PM Re: The Woods [Re: BadOrange]
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Originally Posted By: BadOrange
nobody hates you or your music. This is a forum for musicians and people actually want to help. You lack some fundamental skills and your compositions suffer. All my criticisms have been free of emotion, direct and quite specific. I really don't see how one could take such offence to someone that took the time to listen, the time to write some ideas on how to improve.


As I said before, you will never fool me. People like you couldnt care less about me or my music, so stop trying to convience me that you do, its not working.
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#1716552 - 07/19/11 04:16 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Mirior
but what about people who sincerely don't find anything they like in your music? Are they not allowed to comment at all?


I dont want to hear a word from them. If you hate my music send me hatemail, but dont disturb my thread...


Even some idiot spewing about how your music is terrible and you're terrible and your parents are terrible rageragerage (something I'm glad I haven't seen anywhere in these forums) can still have valuable points and suggestions on how to improve buried within the hate. If you're looking to improve, it's important to listen to all the feedback you can get, even the one-sided criticism. Ignoring good advice because there wasn't a compliment attached to it is still ignoring good advice.

If you're not looking to improve, well, I'd call that fairly egotistical, but that's a different conversation.

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#1716555 - 07/19/11 04:18 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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Improve from Nikolas?

The drivels that he composes, what in the world can I learn from him and his music?

I can't stand his music, its pointless, and very immature and primitive...let me learn from those who can compose better then me, no problem.
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#1716562 - 07/19/11 04:21 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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What reality would that be ?

You are quite paranoid. It is great you get fan mail. Justin Bieber gets fan mail too. How this invalidates a constructive criticism from someone that works as a composer, that has a masters degree from Juilliard in compsiition , I don't quite get. You also don't need to defend yourself. I left you constructive feedback. Do what you want with it.

Perhaps you should ask yourself why it is , that someone that seems beyond reproach has no career to speak of. Again , none of my business as you've already mentioned how you compose for fun and it is a hobby, I respect that. I just think you are extremely rude to people offering help.

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#1716568 - 07/19/11 04:30 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
Improve from Nikolas?

The drivels that he composes, what in the world can I learn from him and his music?

I can't stand his music, its pointless, and very immature and primitive...let me learn from those who can compose better then me, no problem.


Have you ever heard the saying, "A broken clock is right twice a day?" (I disagree with you about the quality of Nikolas's music, but that's beside the point). When I compose a piece, one of the first people I play it to knows absolutely nothing about classical music. Her tastes are completely different than what I'm aiming at, but I ask her for feedback, and I listen to it. I don't take everything she says as gospel, but I think you'd be surprised how many times she raises a good point I hadn't thought of.

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#1716574 - 07/19/11 04:38 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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Typical Saul piece, absolutely no structure, sounds like something you might improvise and slap a name on without giving it any thought.

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#1716614 - 07/19/11 05:48 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
Improve from Nikolas?

The drivels that he composes, what in the world can I learn from him and his music?

I can't stand his music, its pointless, and very immature and primitive...let me learn from those who can compose better then me, no problem.
I have notified the mods about this, but in the meantime: How on earth did I enter this thread and this terrible post? i haven't heard this work, haven't posted in this thread (until this point) and I've no idea how on earth your post came to be??? Care to explain, please?
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#1716638 - 07/19/11 06:24 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
Improve from Nikolas?

The drivels that he composes, what in the world can I learn from him and his music?

I can't stand his music, its pointless, and very immature and primitive...let me learn from those who can compose better then me, no problem.
I have notified the mods about this, but in the meantime: How on earth did I enter this thread and this terrible post? i haven't heard this work, haven't posted in this thread (until this point) and I've no idea how on earth your post came to be??? Care to explain, please?


Like you have said anything that is less agressive right?
I played you with the same token, but you dont see me running to the mods, I have done nothing wrong.

I guess you cant handle the same treatment you give to others...
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#1716640 - 07/19/11 06:26 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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I'm not interested in criticism, I will ignore it from now on. All I want is to share my music with others, period, nothing more and nothing less, I hope people here can respect that.
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#1716644 - 07/19/11 06:31 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Originally Posted By: Saul
Improve from Nikolas?

The drivels that he composes, what in the world can I learn from him and his music?

I can't stand his music, its pointless, and very immature and primitive...let me learn from those who can compose better then me, no problem.
I have notified the mods about this, but in the meantime: How on earth did I enter this thread and this terrible post? i haven't heard this work, haven't posted in this thread (until this point) and I've no idea how on earth your post came to be??? Care to explain, please?


Like you have said anything that is less agressive right?
I played you with the same token, but you dont see me running to the mods, I have done nothing wrong.

I guess you cant handle the same treatment you give to others...
This is a moderated place (like every forum I've been to be honest). Mods and admins are here to moderate things and try to keep it civilized. It seems reasonable to ask them to quiet things down. If you feel I've said something as aggressive as the things you say to me by all means notify the mods yourself.

Personally I find that I attempted to offer feedback in many different parts of a music work (the score, the recording, the music), and you turned everything down in a most aggressive and insulting manner. I still fail to see how I was treated with the same token or treatment.
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#1716647 - 07/19/11 06:36 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Originally Posted By: Saul
Improve from Nikolas?

The drivels that he composes, what in the world can I learn from him and his music?

I can't stand his music, its pointless, and very immature and primitive...let me learn from those who can compose better then me, no problem.
I have notified the mods about this, but in the meantime: How on earth did I enter this thread and this terrible post? i haven't heard this work, haven't posted in this thread (until this point) and I've no idea how on earth your post came to be??? Care to explain, please?


Like you have said anything that is less agressive right?
I played you with the same token, but you dont see me running to the mods, I have done nothing wrong.

I guess you cant handle the same treatment you give to others...
This is a moderated place (like every forum I've been to be honest). Mods and admins are here to moderate things and try to keep it civilized. It seems reasonable to ask them to quiet things down. If you feel I've said something as aggressive as the things you say to me by all means notify the mods yourself.

Personally I find that I attempted to offer feedback in many different parts of a music work (the score, the recording, the music), and you turned everything down in a most aggressive and insulting manner. I still fail to see how I was treated with the same token or treatment.


I fail to understand why I cant share my music here without been forced to accept or read criticism of some members here, I'm not interested in it. I do music for fun, and for joy and pleasure, period.

I'm not interested in the formality of things, please let it be and respect that.

That's my only request.
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#1716648 - 07/19/11 06:36 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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Let it go Saul. Those who offer 'helpful' criticism when it comes to the arts are trying to show you how they create. Which is unhelpful in any art. Why? Because it's subjective! Something many on these forums either don't get or don't want to get.

They compare and contrast to what they were taught was good or bad - that in itself is useless in the arts as good and bad are judged by stodgy types who, like you suggested, have problems all their own.

My suggestion is to stop posting your music here and cast your pearls where they won't be cast aside.

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#1716650 - 07/19/11 06:37 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Rachel9]
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Originally Posted By: Rachel9
Let it go Saul. Those who offer 'helpful' criticism when it comes to the arts are trying to show you how they create. Which is unhelpful in any art. Why? Because it's subjective! Something many on these forums either don't get or don't want to get.

They compare and contrast to what they were taught was good or bad - that in itself is useless in the arts as good and bad are judged by stodgy types who, like you suggested, have problems all their own.

My suggestion is to stop posting your music here and cast your pearls where they won't be cast aside.


Finally a voice of reason, Thanks!!!
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#1716658 - 07/19/11 06:51 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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This is NOT a reply to Saul!

I have provided feedback to Saul, both positive and negative. (a couple of examples can be found Here and Here. That, along with my 'drivel' (the tonal one that Saul linked in his other thread) should provide an idea that I'm not obsessed with a person I don't know, have not met and cannot judge. I judge music works.

Now, on a further thought, if someone is offering his works to the public, like it or not, they should be ready to receive any kind of criticism! Can you imagine Britney Spears whining that people do not like her voice? Or Sir Paul McCartney complaining that people do not like a song he did? A public voice and a public work is exactly that: public. As others have said, if the criticism is driven by hate, or revenge, or idiocy, or ignorance, one can simply ignore it. If the criticism is driven by more 'noble' ideas, then why not take something into account?

Rachel: The idea of learning itself is to analyse, see what others did and follow (or go the opposite direction). In fact one could argue that Saul's works follow that which he considers good against bad. Of course everyone has issues, but it really depends if they take it out on others or not really! laugh

Anyhow, it's getting late here in Greece, so I will crash in a little while.
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#1716663 - 07/19/11 06:57 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Rachel9]
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Originally Posted By: Rachel9
Let it go Saul. Those who offer 'helpful' criticism when it comes to the arts are trying to show you how they create. Which is unhelpful in any art. Why? Because it's subjective! Something many on these forums either don't get or don't want to get.

They compare and contrast to what they were taught was good or bad - that in itself is useless in the arts as good and bad are judged by stodgy types who, like you suggested, have problems all their own.

My suggestion is to stop posting your music here and cast your pearls where they won't be cast aside.


if music is so subjective, why do thousands of people take lessons in piano , composition, theory , orchestration ? Saul is trying to recreate a style of music that has been done before so there is a wealth of music to compare it against and because the music he writes is harking back to a period where there were conventions , giving feedback can be quite objective. Not to mention much of what is said to him is universal approaches to composition in every form of media from writing to moving making.

I do agree that if he isn't interested in feedback, why even bother. His music leaves much to be desired. It offers nothing new which is not so bad for an amateur composer like Saul as I think he is exploring tonal music as a beginner should but when he tries to recreate styles by invoking the tonality and form from previous eras, it is quite easy to pinpoint the weaknesses. Just unfortunate that his ego impedes his progress.

I think he could be exponentially bettter if he was more focused, listened to people that know more and approach it with a bit of humility. I honestly don't get how any composer can have an ego these days.

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#1716666 - 07/19/11 07:01 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
This is NOT a reply to Saul!

I have provided feedback to Saul, both positive and negative. (a couple of examples can be found Here and Here. That, along with my 'drivel' (the tonal one that Saul linked in his other thread) should provide an idea that I'm not obsessed with a person I don't know, have not met and cannot judge. I judge music works.

Now, on a further thought, if someone is offering his works to the public, like it or not, they should be ready to receive any kind of criticism! Can you imagine Britney Spears whining that people do not like her voice? Or Sir Paul McCartney complaining that people do not like a song he did? A public voice and a public work is exactly that: public. As others have said, if the criticism is driven by hate, or revenge, or idiocy, or ignorance, one can simply ignore it. If the criticism is driven by more 'noble' ideas, then why not take something into account?

Rachel: The idea of learning itself is to analyse, see what others did and follow (or go the opposite direction). In fact one could argue that Saul's works follow that which he considers good against bad. Of course everyone has issues, but it really depends if they take it out on others or not really! laugh

Anyhow, it's getting late here in Greece, so I will crash in a little while.


It would be nice, to give it a rest, Nikolas. I have no beef with anyone here, I just don’t trust people who previously showed that they couldn’t care less about me as a person, and now somehow try to 'help' me with my music.

Relationships just like music requires harmony. I have many times experienced extreme hate and terrible behavior from some members from different sites who showed themselves as lambs hiding their wolf characters. In fact you yourself not too long ago said that you couldn’t care less if I returned to this site at the time of my absence.

So if you don’t care about me as a person, why should you care about me as a musician, something just doesn’t add up.

Now perhaps you can understand why I dislike your comments and Orange's.

Sincerity makes all the difference…


Edited by Saul (07/19/11 07:02 PM)
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#1716713 - 07/19/11 08:21 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Steve Chandler]
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Originally Posted By: Steve Chandler
Very pretty with some interesting harmonic turns. However, I'm still listening and I couldn't hum the melody to you. Also, the piece is half over before there's any significant textural change. The second half is a bit more interesting than the first. Good luck.


I agree with Steve on this one. I liked the begin just as much as the end though, If there is any one thing I would say, it would be that I would have made it a bit shorter. But still, good work

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#1717087 - 07/20/11 09:18 AM Re: The Woods [Re: JorgeBol]
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Originally Posted By: JorgeBol
Originally Posted By: Steve Chandler
Very pretty with some interesting harmonic turns. However, I'm still listening and I couldn't hum the melody to you. Also, the piece is half over before there's any significant textural change. The second half is a bit more interesting than the first. Good luck.


I agree with Steve on this one. I liked the begin just as much as the end though, If there is any one thing I would say, it would be that I would have made it a bit shorter. But still, good work


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#1717391 - 07/20/11 05:23 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
This is NOT a reply to Saul!

I have provided feedback to Saul, both positive and negative. (a couple of examples can be found Here and Here. That, along with my 'drivel' (the tonal one that Saul linked in his other thread) should provide an idea that I'm not obsessed with a person I don't know, have not met and cannot judge. I judge music works.

Now, on a further thought, if someone is offering his works to the public, like it or not, they should be ready to receive any kind of criticism! Can you imagine Britney Spears whining that people do not like her voice? Or Sir Paul McCartney complaining that people do not like a song he did? A public voice and a public work is exactly that: public. As others have said, if the criticism is driven by hate, or revenge, or idiocy, or ignorance, one can simply ignore it. If the criticism is driven by more 'noble' ideas, then why not take something into account?

Rachel: The idea of learning itself is to analyse, see what others did and follow (or go the opposite direction). In fact one could argue that Saul's works follow that which he considers good against bad. Of course everyone has issues, but it really depends if they take it out on others or not really! laugh

Anyhow, it's getting late here in Greece, so I will crash in a little while.


It would be nice, to give it a rest, Nikolas. I have no beef with anyone here, I just don’t trust people who previously showed that they couldn’t care less about me as a person, and now somehow try to 'help' me with my music.

Relationships just like music requires harmony. I have many times experienced extreme hate and terrible behavior from some members from different sites who showed themselves as lambs hiding their wolf characters. In fact you yourself not too long ago said that you couldn’t care less if I returned to this site at the time of my absence.

So if you don’t care about me as a person, why should you care about me as a musician, something just doesn’t add up.

Now perhaps you can understand why I dislike your comments and Orange's.

Sincerity makes all the difference…
I was quite busy with my work, and was unable to reply earlier, but now that I found the time I also found the thread you were referring. The full quote you are referring is the following:

Quote:
Sure thing. Just to be clear. I've known Saul from a long time ago from a different forum where from he either left or was banned. I don't enjoy his posting style, or his ideas as they appear on his posts.

This whole discussion for me serves more a an amusment rather than much else... He can be banned for all I care. I'm just not ready to judge anyone through the net, simply because I don't know them in person.

To where I think is quite clear that I said that I'm NOT ready to judge anyone through the net, because I don't know them in person. Which is what I said above and you decided to insinuate that there is a personal vendetta between us. But not only that. In that very post and my previous one I was DEFENDING you when others decided to google your name and accuse you as 'hate-fueled troll'.

The full thread can be found here: http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1680818/4.html

There's nothing insincere with me, or my words! Nothing at all! And I would really appreciate it if you didn't twist my words like that...
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#1717405 - 07/20/11 05:46 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Nikolas]
Saul Offline
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
This is NOT a reply to Saul!

I have provided feedback to Saul, both positive and negative. (a couple of examples can be found Here and Here. That, along with my 'drivel' (the tonal one that Saul linked in his other thread) should provide an idea that I'm not obsessed with a person I don't know, have not met and cannot judge. I judge music works.

Now, on a further thought, if someone is offering his works to the public, like it or not, they should be ready to receive any kind of criticism! Can you imagine Britney Spears whining that people do not like her voice? Or Sir Paul McCartney complaining that people do not like a song he did? A public voice and a public work is exactly that: public. As others have said, if the criticism is driven by hate, or revenge, or idiocy, or ignorance, one can simply ignore it. If the criticism is driven by more 'noble' ideas, then why not take something into account?

Rachel: The idea of learning itself is to analyse, see what others did and follow (or go the opposite direction). In fact one could argue that Saul's works follow that which he considers good against bad. Of course everyone has issues, but it really depends if they take it out on others or not really! laugh

Anyhow, it's getting late here in Greece, so I will crash in a little while.


It would be nice, to give it a rest, Nikolas. I have no beef with anyone here, I just don’t trust people who previously showed that they couldn’t care less about me as a person, and now somehow try to 'help' me with my music.

Relationships just like music requires harmony. I have many times experienced extreme hate and terrible behavior from some members from different sites who showed themselves as lambs hiding their wolf characters. In fact you yourself not too long ago said that you couldn’t care less if I returned to this site at the time of my absence.

So if you don’t care about me as a person, why should you care about me as a musician, something just doesn’t add up.

Now perhaps you can understand why I dislike your comments and Orange's.

Sincerity makes all the difference…
I was quite busy with my work, and was unable to reply earlier, but now that I found the time I also found the thread you were referring. The full quote you are referring is the following:

Quote:
Sure thing. Just to be clear. I've known Saul from a long time ago from a different forum where from he either left or was banned. I don't enjoy his posting style, or his ideas as they appear on his posts.

This whole discussion for me serves more a an amusment rather than much else... He can be banned for all I care. I'm just not ready to judge anyone through the net, simply because I don't know them in person.

To where I think is quite clear that I said that I'm NOT ready to judge anyone through the net, because I don't know them in person. Which is what I said above and you decided to insinuate that there is a personal vendetta between us. But not only that. In that very post and my previous one I was DEFENDING you when others decided to google your name and accuse you as 'hate-fueled troll'.

The full thread can be found here: http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1680818/4.html

There's nothing insincere with me, or my words! Nothing at all! And I would really appreciate it if you didn't twist my words like that...


“I don't enjoy his posting style”
“or his ideas as they appear on his posts”


And as it is evident now, you also don’t enjoy my music…you can add that one to the list.

You went further :”He can be banned for all I care”…

Ha yea, thanks for the ‘defense’, that really helped me and showed me how much you really care for me and about me…
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#1717409 - 07/20/11 05:58 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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I'm quite happy that people know which post you took the sentences, what the full quote said and what happened in the thread. Not to mention the extremely clear fact that I still haven't heard the work 'the woods' but somehow my name and my works came into this thread somehow! wink

- Nothing else here -
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#1717414 - 07/20/11 06:00 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
I'm quite happy that people know which post you took the sentences, what the full quote said and what happened in the thread. Not to mention the extremely clear fact that I still haven't heard the work 'the woods' but somehow my name and my works came into this thread somehow! wink

- Nothing else here -


Whatever makes your day...
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