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#1701652 - 06/25/11 04:58 AM Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major
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I have been composing this piece since June 2010 and i finished today. Actually i finished it in April 2011 but i corrected some notes and it taken 3 more months to publish. Sorry for the sizzle in the recording my soundcard is a bit shoddy.

You can directly listen from here

http://www.box.net/files#/files/0/f/0/1/f_793968760

or

You can download the MP3 from here

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZM4MSZWO

Also im selling the sheet music of it you can send pm to me for the detail.


Edited by Batuhan (06/25/11 05:01 AM)
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Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

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#1701704 - 06/25/11 08:53 AM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Batuhan]
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Very short notice (and perhaps a bit upstraight and rude):

If you're selling the score you should at least find a way to offer a way for us to listen, without having to register on box.net (1st case) or wait 45 secs (megaupload case).

I'll be back with comments on the music, I promise, but I might be a tiny bit late! ^_^
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#1701815 - 06/25/11 12:37 PM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Very short notice (and perhaps a bit upstraight and rude):

If you're selling the score you should at least find a way to offer a way for us to listen, without having to register on box.net (1st case) or wait 45 secs (megaupload case).

I'll be back with comments on the music, I promise, but I might be a tiny bit late! ^_^


Thank you i will upload to youtube i think thats the solution anyway waiting your comments.
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Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

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#1701999 - 06/25/11 07:54 PM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Batuhan]
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Batuhan, there is something wrong with your link above to box.net. When i click on the link it takes me to my own box.net account, rather than to your recording.

Nicolas, one doesn't have to register for box.net to listen to links from that site. Perhaps that's what showed up for you though when you clinked on Batuhan's link. There is something wrong with it.

By the way, does anyone have advice for synching video and audio together. I have a Zoom H4n, my digital camera and a Mac desktop. I haven't been able to figure out how to do this - not too computer savvy. My intention is to record solo piano with the Zoom and camera for visuals, then synch them together so i can upload to youtube with a decent quality presentation.

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#1702069 - 06/25/11 10:41 PM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Dara]
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The Waltz is very beautiful. But it is very Chopin-esque and it doesn't strike me as very 'original' in that sense. However, it is a nicely developed work. I like it. smile

I think next time you should try and develop more of your own style, rather than Chopin's. wink

Originally Posted By: Dara
By the way, does anyone have advice for synching video and audio together. I have a Zoom H4n, my digital camera and a Mac desktop. I haven't been able to figure out how to do this - not too computer savvy. My intention is to record solo piano with the Zoom and camera for visuals, then synch them together so i can upload to youtube with a decent quality presentation.


I would just use a video editing program - Sony Vegas, Final Cut, Adobe Premiere, iMovie, etc. - and put the audio on the audio track and video on video track, and just do it by eye to get it synced. I don't know of any programs that can just do it for you.
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#1702080 - 06/25/11 11:04 PM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Jolteon]
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Even Chopin was heavily influenced by other composers, for example John Field.

So for me, it makes no difference if one has an 'original style' or not, as long as its new music and is pleasant then it should be fine.

I still didn’t listen to the music of this thread, because the link doesn’t work.
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#1702128 - 06/26/11 12:49 AM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Batuhan]
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The megaupload link worked for me.
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#1702161 - 06/26/11 02:09 AM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
So for me, it makes no difference if one has an 'original style' or not, as long as its new music and is pleasant then it should be fine.
Hem... weren't you the one who was ranting all over the place about a certain composer in PW made a work that sounded like Beethoven? wink just sayin' ...

Now, the box.net usually does offer a way to listen without registering, but in this case it asked me to register, which I didn't have the time to do. So I went to megaupload, which after 45 secs and a tiny bit of spam allowed me to listen to the music.

It's a fine example of pastiche. It's lovely and I do think that many pianists would love to get ahold of the score and thus performing it. The fact that it reminds (all of us apparently) of Chopin is not bad on its own. Then again the very begin is VERY close to one of the valses of Chopin (but can't recall right now what).

The work featured some beautiful embelishments and some lovely harmonization and for that alone is worth it! smile The playing was also extra nice, which gives a bit more 'value' to the work...

EDIT: Dara, the software mentioned above are VERY complicated and VERY expensive. There are other alternatives that can work for you. Even Windows Media Maker (I think this is what it's called) can make simple videos and add some music on top. You don't need anything fancy really... There was also a software from Techmedia which was available for free at some time, but it's no longer available. I'll do a little search for you and let you know.


Edited by Nikolas (06/26/11 02:11 AM)
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#1702163 - 06/26/11 02:28 AM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Batuhan]
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Thanks Jolteon and Nicolas for your suggestions.
My Mac computer came with iMovie (07 version) but it is lacking in some of the editing features that I need. I think the more recent version which I could purchase has more capability. Yeah, I was wondering if there is any free software that works for Mac.

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#1702166 - 06/26/11 02:39 AM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Batuhan]
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Ah... I forgot that you're on a Mac. I'm not sure about that, but I'll check around... What features do you need that are not available in iMovie, btw? And sorry for derailing the thread... smile
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#1702169 - 06/26/11 02:48 AM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
And sorry for derailing the thread... smile

me too smile
The version I have doesn't have a sound graph. I'd like that.

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#1702195 - 06/26/11 04:25 AM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Then again the very begin is VERY close to one of the valses of Chopin (but can't recall right now what).


Op.34 No.1? :P
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#1702230 - 06/26/11 06:54 AM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Batuhan]
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Thank you for your comments the megaupload link is working but you need to wait 40 seconds to download im uploading to the youtube right now.
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Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

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#1702263 - 06/26/11 08:29 AM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Originally Posted By: Saul
So for me, it makes no difference if one has an 'original style' or not, as long as its new music and is pleasant then it should be fine.
Hem... weren't you the one who was ranting all over the place about a certain composer in PW made a work that sounded like Beethoven? wink just sayin' ...

Now, the box.net usually does offer a way to listen without registering, but in this case it asked me to register, which I didn't have the time to do. So I went to megaupload, which after 45 secs and a tiny bit of spam allowed me to listen to the music.

It's a fine example of pastiche. It's lovely and I do think that many pianists would love to get ahold of the score and thus performing it. The fact that it reminds (all of us apparently) of Chopin is not bad on its own. Then again the very begin is VERY close to one of the valses of Chopin (but can't recall right now what).

The work featured some beautiful embelishments and some lovely harmonization and for that alone is worth it! smile The playing was also extra nice, which gives a bit more 'value' to the work...

EDIT: Dara, the software mentioned above are VERY complicated and VERY expensive. There are other alternatives that can work for you. Even Windows Media Maker (I think this is what it's called) can make simple videos and add some music on top. You don't need anything fancy really... There was also a software from Techmedia which was available for free at some time, but it's no longer available. I'll do a little search for you and let you know.


The criticism was not that it sounded like Beethoven, but it was bad music. If someone would compose music with the same quality of Beethoven but with new melodies, I wouldn’t mind that, in fact that would be nice, just look up Mendelssohn's B flat sonata written when he was 12. Sounding like Beethoven is not the problem, a bad copy is.
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#1702323 - 06/26/11 11:06 AM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Saul]
Batuhan Offline
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Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Originally Posted By: Saul
So for me, it makes no difference if one has an 'original style' or not, as long as its new music and is pleasant then it should be fine.
Hem... weren't you the one who was ranting all over the place about a certain composer in PW made a work that sounded like Beethoven? wink just sayin' ...

Now, the box.net usually does offer a way to listen without registering, but in this case it asked me to register, which I didn't have the time to do. So I went to megaupload, which after 45 secs and a tiny bit of spam allowed me to listen to the music.

It's a fine example of pastiche. It's lovely and I do think that many pianists would love to get ahold of the score and thus performing it. The fact that it reminds (all of us apparently) of Chopin is not bad on its own. Then again the very begin is VERY close to one of the valses of Chopin (but can't recall right now what).

The work featured some beautiful embelishments and some lovely harmonization and for that alone is worth it! smile The playing was also extra nice, which gives a bit more 'value' to the work...

EDIT: Dara, the software mentioned above are VERY complicated and VERY expensive. There are other alternatives that can work for you. Even Windows Media Maker (I think this is what it's called) can make simple videos and add some music on top. You don't need anything fancy really... There was also a software from Techmedia which was available for free at some time, but it's no longer available. I'll do a little search for you and let you know.


The criticism was not that it sounded like Beethoven, but it was bad music. If someone would compose music with the same quality of Beethoven but with new melodies, I wouldn’t mind that, in fact that would be nice, just look up Mendelssohn's B flat sonata written when he was 12. Sounding like Beethoven is not the problem, a bad copy is.


Saul please dont argue with jelteon in my thread.
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Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

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#1702328 - 06/26/11 11:13 AM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Batuhan]
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I was responding to Nikolas... not not Jelteon...
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#1702358 - 06/26/11 12:22 PM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Batuhan]
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Dara: I'm not sure of what feature you're after (sound graph?), but if iMovie can't do it, there's always Premier (from Adobe) and Final Cut (cheaper than Premier)... :-/ Both are rather steep though, I'm afraid. And I'm sorry I can't help any further, since I'm on a PC and always have been on such a computer... :-/
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#1703408 - 06/28/11 05:18 AM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Batuhan]
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Waiting other comments.
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Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

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#1703486 - 06/28/11 09:29 AM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Batuhan]
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I'm still waiting to hear it from Youtube, but it seems like you didnt post it there yet...


Edited by Saul (06/28/11 09:30 AM)
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#1703640 - 06/28/11 02:30 PM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
I'm still waiting to hear it from Youtube, but it seems like you didnt post it there yet...


Oh i added to youtube but forget to post the link here
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Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

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#1703767 - 06/28/11 07:11 PM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Batuhan]
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This is Yahoo not youtube, and it doesnt play a thing...
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#1703819 - 06/28/11 08:54 PM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
This is Yahoo not youtube, and it doesnt play a thing...


here my account details for box.net

username:vbatuhan@gmail.com
password:777777

Anybody can listen if login. I have problem about youtube.


Edited by Batuhan (06/28/11 08:54 PM)
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Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

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#1703844 - 06/28/11 09:33 PM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Batuhan]
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Ok, I have listened to this piece, and these are my objective comments about it.

I think there is a huge difference between drawing inspiration and even sounding like a different composer here and there, and to sounding like him completely. This was not a bad copy but a good one, it actually did sound like Chopin, excuse me, It not only sounded like Chopin, but it was really 'Chopin', now I don’t suggest that you are his reincarnation for a second, but its something that he may have composed. But yet he didn’t, you composed it, drawing heavily and categorically from his music, and this is not just in style, character and motif usage, but actually quoting entire passages, and linking some of his ideas here and there and then tying it together into a new composition.

Yes Chopin didn’t compose this music the way it is, but he did compose this music though not in the same order. Meaning, I believe that you took entire parts of his music, and edited them , arranged them and presented them as your 'own composition', when the truth is that the arrangement of the music is yours, but I don’t think that those parts of music, those little scattered ideas of Chopin, are the fruits of your labor.

When I say that I don't mind if a composer sounds like a another composer as long as its new music, I meant to say that as long as the content , the music itself is yours completely, I don’t mind it if you have written it in another composer's style. But 'Style' and 'Music' are not the same. I'm against this glaring and obvious composer quotations.

Yes you have succeeded in putting different parts of Chopin's music in a cleaver way presenting it as your own original work, but for me, this is not a new composition per say, but an interesting arrangement of Chopin's own music.

So, I would be delighted to hear your own melodies even if they will be written in the style of Chopin, but the way it is now, I wouldn’t call this an original work, but an original arrangement of Chopin's music.

Now about the playing, I actually enjoyed your performance, it was interesting and engaging, and also lyrical.

Regards,

Saul



Edited by Saul (06/28/11 09:37 PM)
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#1703893 - 06/28/11 11:02 PM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
Ok, I have listened to this piece, and these are my objective comments about it.

I think there is a huge difference between drawing inspiration and even sounding like a different composer here and there, and to sounding like him completely. This was not a bad copy but a good one, it actually did sound like Chopin, excuse me, It not only sounded like Chopin, but it was really 'Chopin', now I don’t suggest that you are his reincarnation for a second, but its something that he may have composed. But yet he didn’t, you composed it, drawing heavily and categorically from his music, and this is not just in style, character and motif usage, but actually quoting entire passages, and linking some of his ideas here and there and then tying it together into a new composition.

Yes Chopin didn’t compose this music the way it is, but he did compose this music though not in the same order. Meaning, I believe that you took entire parts of his music, and edited them , arranged them and presented them as your 'own composition', when the truth is that the arrangement of the music is yours, but I don’t think that those parts of music, those little scattered ideas of Chopin, are the fruits of your labor.

When I say that I don't mind if a composer sounds like a another composer as long as its new music, I meant to say that as long as the content , the music itself is yours completely, I don’t mind it if you have written it in another composer's style. But 'Style' and 'Music' are not the same. I'm against this glaring and obvious composer quotations.

Yes you have succeeded in putting different parts of Chopin's music in a cleaver way presenting it as your own original work, but for me, this is not a new composition per say, but an interesting arrangement of Chopin's own music.

So, I would be delighted to hear your own melodies even if they will be written in the style of Chopin, but the way it is now, I wouldn’t call this an original work, but an original arrangement of Chopin's music.

Now about the playing, I actually enjoyed your performance, it was interesting and engaging, and also lyrical.

Regards,

Saul



Thanks for your comments, Chopin did this too, if you know. His style comes from the John Field and Johann Nepomuk Hummel, so copying Chopin's style is not a wrong i think. I love his music even adore like a religion. My purpose is adding more compositions to the romantic piano repertoire. And composing some new pieces in the style of Chopin, like Chopin did in the style of Field and Hummel. If you listen Hummel Piano Concertos especially the fifth one, you can hear the passages that Chopin changed and used in his piano concerto no. 1 second movement.
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Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

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#1703919 - 06/28/11 11:39 PM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Batuhan]
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Originally Posted By: Batuhan
Originally Posted By: Saul
Ok, I have listened to this piece, and these are my objective comments about it.

I think there is a huge difference between drawing inspiration and even sounding like a different composer here and there, and to sounding like him completely. This was not a bad copy but a good one, it actually did sound like Chopin, excuse me, It not only sounded like Chopin, but it was really 'Chopin', now I don’t suggest that you are his reincarnation for a second, but its something that he may have composed. But yet he didn’t, you composed it, drawing heavily and categorically from his music, and this is not just in style, character and motif usage, but actually quoting entire passages, and linking some of his ideas here and there and then tying it together into a new composition.

Yes Chopin didn’t compose this music the way it is, but he did compose this music though not in the same order. Meaning, I believe that you took entire parts of his music, and edited them , arranged them and presented them as your 'own composition', when the truth is that the arrangement of the music is yours, but I don’t think that those parts of music, those little scattered ideas of Chopin, are the fruits of your labor.

When I say that I don't mind if a composer sounds like a another composer as long as its new music, I meant to say that as long as the content , the music itself is yours completely, I don’t mind it if you have written it in another composer's style. But 'Style' and 'Music' are not the same. I'm against this glaring and obvious composer quotations.

Yes you have succeeded in putting different parts of Chopin's music in a cleaver way presenting it as your own original work, but for me, this is not a new composition per say, but an interesting arrangement of Chopin's own music.

So, I would be delighted to hear your own melodies even if they will be written in the style of Chopin, but the way it is now, I wouldn’t call this an original work, but an original arrangement of Chopin's music.

Now about the playing, I actually enjoyed your performance, it was interesting and engaging, and also lyrical.

Regards,

Saul



Thanks for your comments, Chopin did this too, if you know. His style comes from the John Field and Johann Nepomuk Hummel, so copying Chopin's style is not a wrong i think. I love his music even adore like a religion. My purpose is adding more compositions to the romantic piano repertoire. And composing some new pieces in the style of Chopin, like Chopin did in the style of Field and Hummel. If you listen Hummel Piano Concertos especially the fifth one, you can hear the passages that Chopin changed and used in his piano concerto no. 1 second movement.


Hello,

I said that I don't have a problem if you use his style, my only objection is with actual musical quotations from Chopin, I believe you need to easy it down a little , and try your best to create your own original melodies. If you'll do that, then I believe you have a chance to write something really good.
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#1704300 - 06/29/11 01:38 PM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Batuhan
Originally Posted By: Saul
Ok, I have listened to this piece, and these are my objective comments about it.

I think there is a huge difference between drawing inspiration and even sounding like a different composer here and there, and to sounding like him completely. This was not a bad copy but a good one, it actually did sound like Chopin, excuse me, It not only sounded like Chopin, but it was really 'Chopin', now I don’t suggest that you are his reincarnation for a second, but its something that he may have composed. But yet he didn’t, you composed it, drawing heavily and categorically from his music, and this is not just in style, character and motif usage, but actually quoting entire passages, and linking some of his ideas here and there and then tying it together into a new composition.

Yes Chopin didn’t compose this music the way it is, but he did compose this music though not in the same order. Meaning, I believe that you took entire parts of his music, and edited them , arranged them and presented them as your 'own composition', when the truth is that the arrangement of the music is yours, but I don’t think that those parts of music, those little scattered ideas of Chopin, are the fruits of your labor.

When I say that I don't mind if a composer sounds like a another composer as long as its new music, I meant to say that as long as the content , the music itself is yours completely, I don’t mind it if you have written it in another composer's style. But 'Style' and 'Music' are not the same. I'm against this glaring and obvious composer quotations.

Yes you have succeeded in putting different parts of Chopin's music in a cleaver way presenting it as your own original work, but for me, this is not a new composition per say, but an interesting arrangement of Chopin's own music.

So, I would be delighted to hear your own melodies even if they will be written in the style of Chopin, but the way it is now, I wouldn’t call this an original work, but an original arrangement of Chopin's music.

Now about the playing, I actually enjoyed your performance, it was interesting and engaging, and also lyrical.

Regards,

Saul



Thanks for your comments, Chopin did this too, if you know. His style comes from the John Field and Johann Nepomuk Hummel, so copying Chopin's style is not a wrong i think. I love his music even adore like a religion. My purpose is adding more compositions to the romantic piano repertoire. And composing some new pieces in the style of Chopin, like Chopin did in the style of Field and Hummel. If you listen Hummel Piano Concertos especially the fifth one, you can hear the passages that Chopin changed and used in his piano concerto no. 1 second movement.


Hello,

I said that I don't have a problem if you use his style, my only objection is with actual musical quotations from Chopin, I believe you need to easy it down a little , and try your best to create your own original melodies. If you'll do that, then I believe you have a chance to write something really good.

+1
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Current:
Beethoven: Sonata Op.31, No.2 ("Tempest")
Debussy: Danseuses de Delphes (Prelude 1, Book 1)
Next in line:
Chopin: Ballade No. 1 in G minor, Op.23
Debussy: Le vent dans la plaine (Prelude 3, Book 1)
Debussy: Les sons et les parfums tournent dans l'air du soir (Prelude 4, Book 1)

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#1704328 - 06/29/11 02:22 PM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Saul]
Batuhan Offline
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Registered: 09/21/09
Posts: 810
Loc: Istanbul
Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Batuhan
Originally Posted By: Saul
Ok, I have listened to this piece, and these are my objective comments about it.

I think there is a huge difference between drawing inspiration and even sounding like a different composer here and there, and to sounding like him completely. This was not a bad copy but a good one, it actually did sound like Chopin, excuse me, It not only sounded like Chopin, but it was really 'Chopin', now I don’t suggest that you are his reincarnation for a second, but its something that he may have composed. But yet he didn’t, you composed it, drawing heavily and categorically from his music, and this is not just in style, character and motif usage, but actually quoting entire passages, and linking some of his ideas here and there and then tying it together into a new composition.

Yes Chopin didn’t compose this music the way it is, but he did compose this music though not in the same order. Meaning, I believe that you took entire parts of his music, and edited them , arranged them and presented them as your 'own composition', when the truth is that the arrangement of the music is yours, but I don’t think that those parts of music, those little scattered ideas of Chopin, are the fruits of your labor.

When I say that I don't mind if a composer sounds like a another composer as long as its new music, I meant to say that as long as the content , the music itself is yours completely, I don’t mind it if you have written it in another composer's style. But 'Style' and 'Music' are not the same. I'm against this glaring and obvious composer quotations.

Yes you have succeeded in putting different parts of Chopin's music in a cleaver way presenting it as your own original work, but for me, this is not a new composition per say, but an interesting arrangement of Chopin's own music.

So, I would be delighted to hear your own melodies even if they will be written in the style of Chopin, but the way it is now, I wouldn’t call this an original work, but an original arrangement of Chopin's music.

Now about the playing, I actually enjoyed your performance, it was interesting and engaging, and also lyrical.

Regards,

Saul



Thanks for your comments, Chopin did this too, if you know. His style comes from the John Field and Johann Nepomuk Hummel, so copying Chopin's style is not a wrong i think. I love his music even adore like a religion. My purpose is adding more compositions to the romantic piano repertoire. And composing some new pieces in the style of Chopin, like Chopin did in the style of Field and Hummel. If you listen Hummel Piano Concertos especially the fifth one, you can hear the passages that Chopin changed and used in his piano concerto no. 1 second movement.


Hello,

I said that I don't have a problem if you use his style, my only objection is with actual musical quotations from Chopin, I believe you need to easy it down a little , and try your best to create your own original melodies. If you'll do that, then I believe you have a chance to write something really good.


You are talking like im copied the whole composition from Chopin's music but not thats wrong. I made very few quotations also the melodies are mine and original. If you are talking about rhythm similarity you are right but thats not an arrangement.
_________________________
Sorry for my English, I know it sucks, but I'm trying to improve.

Published:
Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

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#1704422 - 06/29/11 04:49 PM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Batuhan]
Saul Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 743
Loc: Banned
Originally Posted By: Batuhan
Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Batuhan
Originally Posted By: Saul
Ok, I have listened to this piece, and these are my objective comments about it.

I think there is a huge difference between drawing inspiration and even sounding like a different composer here and there, and to sounding like him completely. This was not a bad copy but a good one, it actually did sound like Chopin, excuse me, It not only sounded like Chopin, but it was really 'Chopin', now I don’t suggest that you are his reincarnation for a second, but its something that he may have composed. But yet he didn’t, you composed it, drawing heavily and categorically from his music, and this is not just in style, character and motif usage, but actually quoting entire passages, and linking some of his ideas here and there and then tying it together into a new composition.

Yes Chopin didn’t compose this music the way it is, but he did compose this music though not in the same order. Meaning, I believe that you took entire parts of his music, and edited them , arranged them and presented them as your 'own composition', when the truth is that the arrangement of the music is yours, but I don’t think that those parts of music, those little scattered ideas of Chopin, are the fruits of your labor.

When I say that I don't mind if a composer sounds like a another composer as long as its new music, I meant to say that as long as the content , the music itself is yours completely, I don’t mind it if you have written it in another composer's style. But 'Style' and 'Music' are not the same. I'm against this glaring and obvious composer quotations.

Yes you have succeeded in putting different parts of Chopin's music in a cleaver way presenting it as your own original work, but for me, this is not a new composition per say, but an interesting arrangement of Chopin's own music.

So, I would be delighted to hear your own melodies even if they will be written in the style of Chopin, but the way it is now, I wouldn’t call this an original work, but an original arrangement of Chopin's music.

Now about the playing, I actually enjoyed your performance, it was interesting and engaging, and also lyrical.

Regards,

Saul



Thanks for your comments, Chopin did this too, if you know. His style comes from the John Field and Johann Nepomuk Hummel, so copying Chopin's style is not a wrong i think. I love his music even adore like a religion. My purpose is adding more compositions to the romantic piano repertoire. And composing some new pieces in the style of Chopin, like Chopin did in the style of Field and Hummel. If you listen Hummel Piano Concertos especially the fifth one, you can hear the passages that Chopin changed and used in his piano concerto no. 1 second movement.


Hello,

I said that I don't have a problem if you use his style, my only objection is with actual musical quotations from Chopin, I believe you need to easy it down a little , and try your best to create your own original melodies. If you'll do that, then I believe you have a chance to write something really good.


You are talking like im copied the whole composition from Chopin's music but not thats wrong. I made very few quotations also the melodies are mine and original. If you are talking about rhythm similarity you are right but thats not an arrangement.


No I didn’t say that you copied the entire work from Chopin's music. I said that you edited Chopin's own music from the vast scattered compositions, and arranged it and put it together in a very cleaver and delightful way. It was done wonderfully as I said that its a good copy, but I wouldn’t call this finished product a new work, because of the vast quotations you have made from Chopin's output. I'm sorry but your 'original melodies' are not self evident, and are not obvious at all, I don’t hear them, for me its all Chopin. If you want to show some distinctive material, you need to go easy on the obvious and many quotations, and let your own melodies have center stage, but the melodies that you claim are yours have been drowned deep in this Chopin Soup, add some of your flavor to bring a New Taste, a taste we can recognize as truly yours and unique...
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#1704472 - 06/29/11 06:10 PM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Saul]
Batuhan Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/21/09
Posts: 810
Loc: Istanbul
Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Batuhan
Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Batuhan
Originally Posted By: Saul
Ok, I have listened to this piece, and these are my objective comments about it.

I think there is a huge difference between drawing inspiration and even sounding like a different composer here and there, and to sounding like him completely. This was not a bad copy but a good one, it actually did sound like Chopin, excuse me, It not only sounded like Chopin, but it was really 'Chopin', now I don’t suggest that you are his reincarnation for a second, but its something that he may have composed. But yet he didn’t, you composed it, drawing heavily and categorically from his music, and this is not just in style, character and motif usage, but actually quoting entire passages, and linking some of his ideas here and there and then tying it together into a new composition.

Yes Chopin didn’t compose this music the way it is, but he did compose this music though not in the same order. Meaning, I believe that you took entire parts of his music, and edited them , arranged them and presented them as your 'own composition', when the truth is that the arrangement of the music is yours, but I don’t think that those parts of music, those little scattered ideas of Chopin, are the fruits of your labor.

When I say that I don't mind if a composer sounds like a another composer as long as its new music, I meant to say that as long as the content , the music itself is yours completely, I don’t mind it if you have written it in another composer's style. But 'Style' and 'Music' are not the same. I'm against this glaring and obvious composer quotations.

Yes you have succeeded in putting different parts of Chopin's music in a cleaver way presenting it as your own original work, but for me, this is not a new composition per say, but an interesting arrangement of Chopin's own music.

So, I would be delighted to hear your own melodies even if they will be written in the style of Chopin, but the way it is now, I wouldn’t call this an original work, but an original arrangement of Chopin's music.

Now about the playing, I actually enjoyed your performance, it was interesting and engaging, and also lyrical.

Regards,

Saul



Thanks for your comments, Chopin did this too, if you know. His style comes from the John Field and Johann Nepomuk Hummel, so copying Chopin's style is not a wrong i think. I love his music even adore like a religion. My purpose is adding more compositions to the romantic piano repertoire. And composing some new pieces in the style of Chopin, like Chopin did in the style of Field and Hummel. If you listen Hummel Piano Concertos especially the fifth one, you can hear the passages that Chopin changed and used in his piano concerto no. 1 second movement.


Hello,

I said that I don't have a problem if you use his style, my only objection is with actual musical quotations from Chopin, I believe you need to easy it down a little , and try your best to create your own original melodies. If you'll do that, then I believe you have a chance to write something really good.


You are talking like im copied the whole composition from Chopin's music but not thats wrong. I made very few quotations also the melodies are mine and original. If you are talking about rhythm similarity you are right but thats not an arrangement.


No I didn’t say that you copied the entire work from Chopin's music. I said that you edited Chopin's own music from the vast scattered compositions, and arranged it and put it together in a very cleaver and delightful way. It was done wonderfully as I said that its a good copy, but I wouldn’t call this finished product a new work, because of the vast quotations you have made from Chopin's output. I'm sorry but your 'original melodies' are not self evident, and are not obvious at all, I don’t hear them, for me its all Chopin. If you want to show some distinctive material, you need to go easy on the obvious and many quotations, and let your own melodies have center stage, but the melodies that you claim are yours have been drowned deep in this Chopin Soup, add some of your flavor to bring a New Taste, a taste we can recognize as truly yours and unique...


My purpose is composing pieces that sounds like Chopin. Im at the behind of Chopin i dont wanna be famous or something like that im just finding hidden Chopin compositions in the nature and write them on the paper. I dont wanna develop my own style. I want just sound like Chopin.
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Sorry for my English, I know it sucks, but I'm trying to improve.

Published:
Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major,
2 Preludes, Op. 12 in D-flat major.

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#1704497 - 06/29/11 06:59 PM Re: Waltz Op. 36 No. 1 in G-flat major [Re: Batuhan]
Saul Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 743
Loc: Banned
Ok, you can do whatever you wish...

Cheers,
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