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#1705617 - 07/01/11 01:26 PM Re: The amateur in contemporary society. [Re: polyphasicpianist]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
I sort of know M. Kimmelman -- we studied with the same teacher for a long time, and met many times -- and I think he's brilliant.

But I think he has this thing exactly backwards. I think more and more non-professionals are dabbling seriously (if that's not an oxymoron) smile ....dabbling seriously, in all the arts -- music (both classical and non), visual arts, writing, photography, whatnot -- and doing remarkably well.

I would say that maybe there was a trend such as he described for a few decades before the internet took hold -- but not any more. And I think that with the help of what you can find online and apps for doing this-and-that, not only are more and more non-professionals becoming capable with music and other arts, but they're able to do it quicker and more readily than ever before. I've been astonished at how well some people have learned to play intermediate level piano pieces after just a few weeks or months, often completely on their own (and with the computer).

And BTW I still play in baseball pick-up games. ha

I agree with you, Mark -- and to your list of arts that attract serious dabblers, I would definitely add home improvement (including decorating and design) and cooking. Seems like they represent a full-fledged DIY movement, even if the inspiration comes as much from cable television as from the internet.

And FWIW ... even as I was originally reading Kimmelman's quotation, I was thinking of an area in which exposure to professional standards of 'perfection' probably has had little negative impact on the desires of mere amateurs: the bedroom!

Just consider the remarkable evolution in the availability and acceptability of porn in just 40 years. Somehow, I don't think most people find the expert performances of professionals to be any reason to give up their own 'amateur' efforts. They might be inspired instead to more skillfulness, just like the viewers of all those DIY-based reality shows on TV.
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#1705630 - 07/01/11 01:37 PM Re: The amateur in contemporary society. [Re: polyphasicpianist]
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The reason I joined PW is because I came across a similar discussion via Google about PW members feelings about the use of the word "hobby" for pianists who are not necessarily paid for their work.

There were many differing opinions about it. I personally came to the conclusion that I felt just fine with "hobby". It means that I am serious about my work in studying piano. It's not about being paid. I do it regardless. If someone were ever to hand me a check for performing, however, I sure wouldn't turn it down! laugh
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#1705820 - 07/01/11 06:41 PM Re: The amateur in contemporary society. [Re: Andy Platt]
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Originally Posted By: Andy Platt
Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Olympic athletes are technically amateurs, though certainly it is their life's work.


I'm afraid that's your age showing Cheryl - the rules changed! Boxing and wrestling are the only ones still required to be amateur by Olympic rules. Some countries and/or sports associations may impose additional requirements of course.


Ouch. The bitter truth.
Edited to add: bold face is mine.


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