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#1705658 - 07/01/11 02:20 PM Recognizing Patterns.
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Have any of you thought of tricky passages in terms of patterns before?

I mention this because sometimes a piece is quite easy except for a certain rapid ascension of notes or such... Liszt's 3rd Liebestraume/many Chopin nocturnes, even the Tchaikovsky Concerto have these.

I find that if I understand the pattern, it's much easier than memorizing the notes.

Sometimes though, the pattern isn't easy to find.

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#1705695 - 07/01/11 03:36 PM Re: Recognizing Patterns. [Re: slerk]
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Absolutely. When learning and memorizing, I always look for patterns. Indeed, sometimes they are hard to identify.
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#1705917 - 07/01/11 09:54 PM Re: Recognizing Patterns. [Re: slerk]
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Even if you impose an imaginary pattern on something, that's better than not having any pattern to work with. But most things that make any sense do include a pattern or patterns, if you search hard enough.
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#1705920 - 07/01/11 10:05 PM Re: Recognizing Patterns. [Re: slerk]
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I find if I can't find a pattern, then I'm pretty much lost learning something. Like when it took me a few hours just to learn 4 bars in a slow section in the Liszt sonata which really didn't deserve a few hours of technical practice.
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#1705927 - 07/01/11 10:20 PM Re: Recognizing Patterns. [Re: slerk]
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Patterns are very important particularly in order to memorize (it would be really difficult to memorize a piece without any patterns whatsoever). I think to be effective they also have to personal somehow, patterns you really see.
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#1705943 - 07/01/11 10:39 PM Re: Recognizing Patterns. [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Originally Posted By: Kuanpiano
I find if I can't find a pattern, then I'm pretty much lost learning something. Like when it took me a few hours just to learn 4 bars in a slow section in the Liszt sonata which really didn't deserve a few hours of technical practice.
Well, you can try rote memorizing chord progressions. Sometimes that helps.
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