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Saul #1718963 07/22/11 08:15 PM
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the problem Saul is that to most, it would seem obvious that you would want feedback as most people enjoy hearing what others have to say so that they can improve. The problem is that for some strange reason for which I struggle to understand why, you seem to not want help or feedback of any kind. Although to be honest, this is actually not entirely true. You have no problems with people saying it is great but the second someone tells you that your piece is a structural nightmare and your voice leading needs alot of work, you seem to get upset. You clearly have no issues with feedback but rather you have issues with what I would term reality. Would you get upset if someone said the exact same thing as the person that said it was beautiful but felt the opposite, Would you lash out if I just said , I thought it was quite ugly. You seem to like the type of feedback that is completely lacking in substance. Basically you like the type of feedback that strokes the ego and value that over those that provide constructive criticism that is honest and fair . I think most have figured this out but for those that don't know, the onus is on you to make it obvious to everyone that you are only sharing your pieces and that you don't want feedback. This will save alot people time.

And my mention of the orchestral recording was just an example. You do have orchestral pieces no ? Anyways , the point is that your awful attitude only works when you are so good, that people will tolerate your ego because well, you walk the walk. Unfortunately this is not you. When ego and skill do not match, you will not make many friends and if you ever plan to make a career with music, well your life just got a hundred times more difficult. I know you think you are good , and even if that was the case, being good counts for little in the real world. People hire people they like , who happen to be good. Not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by BadOrange
the problem Saul is that to most, it would seem obvious that you would want feedback as most people enjoy hearing what others have to say so that they can improve. The problem is that for some strange reason for which I struggle to understand why, you seem to not want help or feedback of any kind. Although to be honest, this is actually not entirely true. You have no problems with people saying it is great but the second someone tells you that your piece is a structural nightmare and your voice leading needs alot of work, you seem to get upset. You clearly have no issues with feedback but rather you have issues with what I would term reality. Would you get upset if someone said the exact same thing as the person that said it was beautiful but felt the opposite, Would you lash out if I just said , I thought it was quite ugly. You seem to like the type of feedback that is completely lacking in substance. Basically you like the type of feedback that strokes the ego and value that over those that provide constructive criticism that is honest and fair . I think most have figured this out but for those that don't know, the onus is on you to make it obvious to everyone that you are only sharing your pieces and that you don't want feedback. This will save alot people time.

And my mention of the orchestral recording was just an example. You do have orchestral pieces no ? Anyways , the point is that your awful attitude only works when you are so good, that people will tolerate your ego because well, you walk the walk. Unfortunately this is not you. When ego and skill do not match, you will not make many friends and if you ever plan to make a career with music, well your life just got a hundred times more difficult. I know you think you are good , and even if that was the case, being good counts for little in the real world. People hire people they like , who happen to be good. Not the other way around.


I'm not interested to hear any criticism whatsoever.
You can imagine a million reasons why I don't want to hear it.
I don't have to explain to you why I'm not interested.

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Originally Posted by BadOrange
I do think you have an awful attitude that will only hinder your progress. You have nothing to gain by making enemies. For example, I often conduct and usually have some material for warm up. Now if you weren't so rude in the past, I could of had your music recorded by a 70 piece orchestra in a state of the art scoring stage.


Run that past us again? You have a full orchestra in a "state of the art scoring stage" (so presumably of a commensurate standard and getting proper money) and you would take time to score, prepare and play the piano noodlings of someone you came across in the Internet?

You're a liar. (Go on, prove me wrong!)

Saul #1720125 07/24/11 06:23 PM
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lol um no

I said that if I came across a very talented composer who I liked and was nice and had scores already made, it would not really be anything for me to use it as a warm up for the orchestra while the techs move around mics and do final preparations.

You seem to think i'm looking for people. Not quite. The point was to illustrate that having a bad attitude will [censored] you at ever corner it can. Word of mouth and recommendations are everything in this business. Being good at music is coincidental. Everyone is good .The only ones that end up doing it as a career are good and good with people.

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Originally Posted by Saul

I'm not interested to hear any criticism whatsoever.
You can imagine a million reasons why I don't want to hear it.
I don't have to explain to you why I'm not interested.


yes we've established this. But you need to let people know because it is rather weird for someone to have this MO.

And you are quite right about not having to share your reasons. I imagine the words inflated ego and fragile butterfly are in there somewhere.

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Originally Posted by BadOrange
lol um no

I said that if I came across a very talented composer who I liked and was nice and had scores already made, it would not really be anything for me to use it as a warm up for the orchestra while the techs move around mics and do final preparations.

You seem to think i'm looking for people. Not quite. The point was to illustrate that having a bad attitude will [censored] you at ever corner it can. Word of mouth and recommendations are everything in this business. Being good at music is coincidental. Everyone is good .The only ones that end up doing it as a career are good and good with people.


I don't want to have a career in music.

Can I be any clearer then that?


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then why do you take yourself so seriously ? You send mixed messages.

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Originally Posted by BadOrange
then why do you take yourself so seriously ? You send mixed messages.


Music is also about fun and not only about money and career.


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never said otherwise. You don't seem to be having fun tho. That is why i asked you why you take yourself so serious. You really do come across the type of person that wants to be a successful composer at all costs. Now you say this is not the case. That is why I mentioned the mixed messages. I don't think anyone could argue that you really do seem to come across as someone that takes himself rather serious. You talk in that stereotypical fleeting romantic manner that forces the notion or at least tries to force the notion that you are an aritst - take me seriously. Hope that explains it better.

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Originally Posted by BadOrange
never said otherwise. You don't seem to be having fun tho. That is why i asked you why you take yourself so serious. You really do come across the type of person that wants to be a successful composer at all costs. Now you say this is not the case. That is why I mentioned the mixed messages. I don't think anyone could argue that you really do seem to come across as someone that takes himself rather serious. You talk in that stereotypical fleeting romantic manner that forces the notion or at least tries to force the notion that you are an aritst - take me seriously. Hope that explains it better.


Why dont you leave me alone?


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Because you obviously act like the world is tormenting you and I think a alterations to how you do things might make things alot easier for you. For example, me suggesting you explicitly say why you are posting and what you want or don't want.

WHy are you on a public forum if you are so adverse to conversation. Perhaps consider turning your modem off.


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Originally Posted by BadOrange
Because you obviously act like the world is tormenting you and I think a alterations to how you do things might make things alot easier for you. For example, me suggesting you explicitly say why you are posting and what you want or don't want.

WHy are you on a public forum if you are so adverse to conversation. Perhaps consider turning your modem off.



Leave me alone!

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you do not own this forum and i am not breaking any rules. Deal with it or click log out.

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you do not own this forum and i am not breaking any rules. Deal with it or click log out.


Its beyond me why you're so infatuated with me and my music.

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Saul,

I think you need a little readjustment on how you perceive your actions here. I have no real vested interest in you except my overriding morals which tends to want to help people. Infatuated ? Now that seems to assume a rather unhealthy interest in someone. Like sending inappropriate private messages with no logical reason which if you don't remember you did last week. Infatuated with your music ? Posted feedback on 2 of your pieces before you had a tantrum and stopped.

Why do I post although I don't really have to justify this as this isn't your website. I found your spamming the entire composer forum with your compositions then treating everyone like [censored] when they gave you their thoughts annoying. So lets first correct your inaccurate account for what went on here in that i'm infatuated with you. I'm annoyed by you and my tips were geared towards helping you in essence making your presence less annoying for me and I suppose for everyone else.

You should be more concerned why you make such a ruckus about people sharing thoughts on a public forum despite the fabulous ability to put users on your ignore list. That simple Saul. The fact that you don't makes me wonder that you actually do want feedback but only the kind that will inflate your ego.

I will be candid tho. You are rather interesting. Given that you are past your thirties but act like a child, I am somehow entertained by this. I wonder if you were homeschooled or have some issues that would explain your behaviour from a medical standpoint. It isn't just me, A few of the engineers find your posts and sadly your compositions but they will make fun of anything so don't pay too much mind.

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Is there anything else you would like to add or that is all?

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Do you still live at home ?

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Yea, you really did convince me that you want to help me as a composer. Your high 'morality' is so self evident...

You sound like a man who forces his uncalled for 'help' on people, and if they dont want to listen to you, you begin to abuse them. I really question your claim to be a musician, I just can't imagine any music lover that has a sensitive soul, attack so viciously and brutally another musician. I hope that you're really proud of yourself, your behavior is unacceptable, shameful and vicious.

You have been added to my ignore list. And that is permanent.


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