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#1716640 - 07/19/11 06:26 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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I'm not interested in criticism, I will ignore it from now on. All I want is to share my music with others, period, nothing more and nothing less, I hope people here can respect that.
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#1716644 - 07/19/11 06:31 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Originally Posted By: Saul
Improve from Nikolas?

The drivels that he composes, what in the world can I learn from him and his music?

I can't stand his music, its pointless, and very immature and primitive...let me learn from those who can compose better then me, no problem.
I have notified the mods about this, but in the meantime: How on earth did I enter this thread and this terrible post? i haven't heard this work, haven't posted in this thread (until this point) and I've no idea how on earth your post came to be??? Care to explain, please?


Like you have said anything that is less agressive right?
I played you with the same token, but you dont see me running to the mods, I have done nothing wrong.

I guess you cant handle the same treatment you give to others...
This is a moderated place (like every forum I've been to be honest). Mods and admins are here to moderate things and try to keep it civilized. It seems reasonable to ask them to quiet things down. If you feel I've said something as aggressive as the things you say to me by all means notify the mods yourself.

Personally I find that I attempted to offer feedback in many different parts of a music work (the score, the recording, the music), and you turned everything down in a most aggressive and insulting manner. I still fail to see how I was treated with the same token or treatment.
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#1716647 - 07/19/11 06:36 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Nikolas]
Saul Offline
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Originally Posted By: Saul
Improve from Nikolas?

The drivels that he composes, what in the world can I learn from him and his music?

I can't stand his music, its pointless, and very immature and primitive...let me learn from those who can compose better then me, no problem.
I have notified the mods about this, but in the meantime: How on earth did I enter this thread and this terrible post? i haven't heard this work, haven't posted in this thread (until this point) and I've no idea how on earth your post came to be??? Care to explain, please?


Like you have said anything that is less agressive right?
I played you with the same token, but you dont see me running to the mods, I have done nothing wrong.

I guess you cant handle the same treatment you give to others...
This is a moderated place (like every forum I've been to be honest). Mods and admins are here to moderate things and try to keep it civilized. It seems reasonable to ask them to quiet things down. If you feel I've said something as aggressive as the things you say to me by all means notify the mods yourself.

Personally I find that I attempted to offer feedback in many different parts of a music work (the score, the recording, the music), and you turned everything down in a most aggressive and insulting manner. I still fail to see how I was treated with the same token or treatment.


I fail to understand why I cant share my music here without been forced to accept or read criticism of some members here, I'm not interested in it. I do music for fun, and for joy and pleasure, period.

I'm not interested in the formality of things, please let it be and respect that.

That's my only request.
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#1716648 - 07/19/11 06:36 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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Let it go Saul. Those who offer 'helpful' criticism when it comes to the arts are trying to show you how they create. Which is unhelpful in any art. Why? Because it's subjective! Something many on these forums either don't get or don't want to get.

They compare and contrast to what they were taught was good or bad - that in itself is useless in the arts as good and bad are judged by stodgy types who, like you suggested, have problems all their own.

My suggestion is to stop posting your music here and cast your pearls where they won't be cast aside.

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#1716650 - 07/19/11 06:37 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Rachel9]
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Originally Posted By: Rachel9
Let it go Saul. Those who offer 'helpful' criticism when it comes to the arts are trying to show you how they create. Which is unhelpful in any art. Why? Because it's subjective! Something many on these forums either don't get or don't want to get.

They compare and contrast to what they were taught was good or bad - that in itself is useless in the arts as good and bad are judged by stodgy types who, like you suggested, have problems all their own.

My suggestion is to stop posting your music here and cast your pearls where they won't be cast aside.


Finally a voice of reason, Thanks!!!
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#1716658 - 07/19/11 06:51 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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This is NOT a reply to Saul!

I have provided feedback to Saul, both positive and negative. (a couple of examples can be found Here and Here. That, along with my 'drivel' (the tonal one that Saul linked in his other thread) should provide an idea that I'm not obsessed with a person I don't know, have not met and cannot judge. I judge music works.

Now, on a further thought, if someone is offering his works to the public, like it or not, they should be ready to receive any kind of criticism! Can you imagine Britney Spears whining that people do not like her voice? Or Sir Paul McCartney complaining that people do not like a song he did? A public voice and a public work is exactly that: public. As others have said, if the criticism is driven by hate, or revenge, or idiocy, or ignorance, one can simply ignore it. If the criticism is driven by more 'noble' ideas, then why not take something into account?

Rachel: The idea of learning itself is to analyse, see what others did and follow (or go the opposite direction). In fact one could argue that Saul's works follow that which he considers good against bad. Of course everyone has issues, but it really depends if they take it out on others or not really! laugh

Anyhow, it's getting late here in Greece, so I will crash in a little while.
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#1716663 - 07/19/11 06:57 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Rachel9]
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Registered: 06/12/11
Posts: 368
Loc: Banned
Originally Posted By: Rachel9
Let it go Saul. Those who offer 'helpful' criticism when it comes to the arts are trying to show you how they create. Which is unhelpful in any art. Why? Because it's subjective! Something many on these forums either don't get or don't want to get.

They compare and contrast to what they were taught was good or bad - that in itself is useless in the arts as good and bad are judged by stodgy types who, like you suggested, have problems all their own.

My suggestion is to stop posting your music here and cast your pearls where they won't be cast aside.


if music is so subjective, why do thousands of people take lessons in piano , composition, theory , orchestration ? Saul is trying to recreate a style of music that has been done before so there is a wealth of music to compare it against and because the music he writes is harking back to a period where there were conventions , giving feedback can be quite objective. Not to mention much of what is said to him is universal approaches to composition in every form of media from writing to moving making.

I do agree that if he isn't interested in feedback, why even bother. His music leaves much to be desired. It offers nothing new which is not so bad for an amateur composer like Saul as I think he is exploring tonal music as a beginner should but when he tries to recreate styles by invoking the tonality and form from previous eras, it is quite easy to pinpoint the weaknesses. Just unfortunate that his ego impedes his progress.

I think he could be exponentially bettter if he was more focused, listened to people that know more and approach it with a bit of humility. I honestly don't get how any composer can have an ego these days.

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#1716666 - 07/19/11 07:01 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Nikolas]
Saul Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 743
Loc: Banned
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
This is NOT a reply to Saul!

I have provided feedback to Saul, both positive and negative. (a couple of examples can be found Here and Here. That, along with my 'drivel' (the tonal one that Saul linked in his other thread) should provide an idea that I'm not obsessed with a person I don't know, have not met and cannot judge. I judge music works.

Now, on a further thought, if someone is offering his works to the public, like it or not, they should be ready to receive any kind of criticism! Can you imagine Britney Spears whining that people do not like her voice? Or Sir Paul McCartney complaining that people do not like a song he did? A public voice and a public work is exactly that: public. As others have said, if the criticism is driven by hate, or revenge, or idiocy, or ignorance, one can simply ignore it. If the criticism is driven by more 'noble' ideas, then why not take something into account?

Rachel: The idea of learning itself is to analyse, see what others did and follow (or go the opposite direction). In fact one could argue that Saul's works follow that which he considers good against bad. Of course everyone has issues, but it really depends if they take it out on others or not really! laugh

Anyhow, it's getting late here in Greece, so I will crash in a little while.


It would be nice, to give it a rest, Nikolas. I have no beef with anyone here, I just don’t trust people who previously showed that they couldn’t care less about me as a person, and now somehow try to 'help' me with my music.

Relationships just like music requires harmony. I have many times experienced extreme hate and terrible behavior from some members from different sites who showed themselves as lambs hiding their wolf characters. In fact you yourself not too long ago said that you couldn’t care less if I returned to this site at the time of my absence.

So if you don’t care about me as a person, why should you care about me as a musician, something just doesn’t add up.

Now perhaps you can understand why I dislike your comments and Orange's.

Sincerity makes all the difference…


Edited by Saul (07/19/11 07:02 PM)
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#1716713 - 07/19/11 08:21 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Steve Chandler]
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Registered: 05/22/11
Posts: 123
Originally Posted By: Steve Chandler
Very pretty with some interesting harmonic turns. However, I'm still listening and I couldn't hum the melody to you. Also, the piece is half over before there's any significant textural change. The second half is a bit more interesting than the first. Good luck.


I agree with Steve on this one. I liked the begin just as much as the end though, If there is any one thing I would say, it would be that I would have made it a bit shorter. But still, good work

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#1717087 - 07/20/11 09:18 AM Re: The Woods [Re: JorgeBol]
Saul Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 743
Loc: Banned
Originally Posted By: JorgeBol
Originally Posted By: Steve Chandler
Very pretty with some interesting harmonic turns. However, I'm still listening and I couldn't hum the melody to you. Also, the piece is half over before there's any significant textural change. The second half is a bit more interesting than the first. Good luck.


I agree with Steve on this one. I liked the begin just as much as the end though, If there is any one thing I would say, it would be that I would have made it a bit shorter. But still, good work


Thank you.
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#1717391 - 07/20/11 05:23 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
Nikolas Online   content
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Registered: 11/26/07
Posts: 5300
Loc: Europe
Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
This is NOT a reply to Saul!

I have provided feedback to Saul, both positive and negative. (a couple of examples can be found Here and Here. That, along with my 'drivel' (the tonal one that Saul linked in his other thread) should provide an idea that I'm not obsessed with a person I don't know, have not met and cannot judge. I judge music works.

Now, on a further thought, if someone is offering his works to the public, like it or not, they should be ready to receive any kind of criticism! Can you imagine Britney Spears whining that people do not like her voice? Or Sir Paul McCartney complaining that people do not like a song he did? A public voice and a public work is exactly that: public. As others have said, if the criticism is driven by hate, or revenge, or idiocy, or ignorance, one can simply ignore it. If the criticism is driven by more 'noble' ideas, then why not take something into account?

Rachel: The idea of learning itself is to analyse, see what others did and follow (or go the opposite direction). In fact one could argue that Saul's works follow that which he considers good against bad. Of course everyone has issues, but it really depends if they take it out on others or not really! laugh

Anyhow, it's getting late here in Greece, so I will crash in a little while.


It would be nice, to give it a rest, Nikolas. I have no beef with anyone here, I just don’t trust people who previously showed that they couldn’t care less about me as a person, and now somehow try to 'help' me with my music.

Relationships just like music requires harmony. I have many times experienced extreme hate and terrible behavior from some members from different sites who showed themselves as lambs hiding their wolf characters. In fact you yourself not too long ago said that you couldn’t care less if I returned to this site at the time of my absence.

So if you don’t care about me as a person, why should you care about me as a musician, something just doesn’t add up.

Now perhaps you can understand why I dislike your comments and Orange's.

Sincerity makes all the difference…
I was quite busy with my work, and was unable to reply earlier, but now that I found the time I also found the thread you were referring. The full quote you are referring is the following:

Quote:
Sure thing. Just to be clear. I've known Saul from a long time ago from a different forum where from he either left or was banned. I don't enjoy his posting style, or his ideas as they appear on his posts.

This whole discussion for me serves more a an amusment rather than much else... He can be banned for all I care. I'm just not ready to judge anyone through the net, simply because I don't know them in person.

To where I think is quite clear that I said that I'm NOT ready to judge anyone through the net, because I don't know them in person. Which is what I said above and you decided to insinuate that there is a personal vendetta between us. But not only that. In that very post and my previous one I was DEFENDING you when others decided to google your name and accuse you as 'hate-fueled troll'.

The full thread can be found here: http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1680818/4.html

There's nothing insincere with me, or my words! Nothing at all! And I would really appreciate it if you didn't twist my words like that...
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#1717405 - 07/20/11 05:46 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Nikolas]
Saul Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 743
Loc: Banned
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
This is NOT a reply to Saul!

I have provided feedback to Saul, both positive and negative. (a couple of examples can be found Here and Here. That, along with my 'drivel' (the tonal one that Saul linked in his other thread) should provide an idea that I'm not obsessed with a person I don't know, have not met and cannot judge. I judge music works.

Now, on a further thought, if someone is offering his works to the public, like it or not, they should be ready to receive any kind of criticism! Can you imagine Britney Spears whining that people do not like her voice? Or Sir Paul McCartney complaining that people do not like a song he did? A public voice and a public work is exactly that: public. As others have said, if the criticism is driven by hate, or revenge, or idiocy, or ignorance, one can simply ignore it. If the criticism is driven by more 'noble' ideas, then why not take something into account?

Rachel: The idea of learning itself is to analyse, see what others did and follow (or go the opposite direction). In fact one could argue that Saul's works follow that which he considers good against bad. Of course everyone has issues, but it really depends if they take it out on others or not really! laugh

Anyhow, it's getting late here in Greece, so I will crash in a little while.


It would be nice, to give it a rest, Nikolas. I have no beef with anyone here, I just don’t trust people who previously showed that they couldn’t care less about me as a person, and now somehow try to 'help' me with my music.

Relationships just like music requires harmony. I have many times experienced extreme hate and terrible behavior from some members from different sites who showed themselves as lambs hiding their wolf characters. In fact you yourself not too long ago said that you couldn’t care less if I returned to this site at the time of my absence.

So if you don’t care about me as a person, why should you care about me as a musician, something just doesn’t add up.

Now perhaps you can understand why I dislike your comments and Orange's.

Sincerity makes all the difference…
I was quite busy with my work, and was unable to reply earlier, but now that I found the time I also found the thread you were referring. The full quote you are referring is the following:

Quote:
Sure thing. Just to be clear. I've known Saul from a long time ago from a different forum where from he either left or was banned. I don't enjoy his posting style, or his ideas as they appear on his posts.

This whole discussion for me serves more a an amusment rather than much else... He can be banned for all I care. I'm just not ready to judge anyone through the net, simply because I don't know them in person.

To where I think is quite clear that I said that I'm NOT ready to judge anyone through the net, because I don't know them in person. Which is what I said above and you decided to insinuate that there is a personal vendetta between us. But not only that. In that very post and my previous one I was DEFENDING you when others decided to google your name and accuse you as 'hate-fueled troll'.

The full thread can be found here: http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1680818/4.html

There's nothing insincere with me, or my words! Nothing at all! And I would really appreciate it if you didn't twist my words like that...


“I don't enjoy his posting style”
“or his ideas as they appear on his posts”


And as it is evident now, you also don’t enjoy my music…you can add that one to the list.

You went further :”He can be banned for all I care”…

Ha yea, thanks for the ‘defense’, that really helped me and showed me how much you really care for me and about me…
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#1717409 - 07/20/11 05:58 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Saul]
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I'm quite happy that people know which post you took the sentences, what the full quote said and what happened in the thread. Not to mention the extremely clear fact that I still haven't heard the work 'the woods' but somehow my name and my works came into this thread somehow! wink

- Nothing else here -
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#1717414 - 07/20/11 06:00 PM Re: The Woods [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
I'm quite happy that people know which post you took the sentences, what the full quote said and what happened in the thread. Not to mention the extremely clear fact that I still haven't heard the work 'the woods' but somehow my name and my works came into this thread somehow! wink

- Nothing else here -


Whatever makes your day...
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