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#1718274 - 07/21/11 07:19 PM Saul's Compositions
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A specific thread where I would post my compositions, arrangements and recordings and share them with everyone.

Regards,

Saul

Ocean Reflections In E major No. 1

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#1718295 - 07/21/11 08:04 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Your music is always very soothing, Saul. I like it! smile
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#1718317 - 07/21/11 08:56 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Thank you!

I have another one of these Ocean Reflection...

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#1719849 - 07/24/11 09:13 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Performing my 'Love In the Forest' In G major for Piano...

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#1719858 - 07/24/11 09:29 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Moonlight Sonata

Here's a performance of a well-known work. Within the bounds of artistic licence or ... well ... just terrible?

(Sorry Saul, but you DID say you didn't want criticism. And I NEVER do what I'm told.)

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#1719890 - 07/24/11 10:52 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
Moonlight Sonata

Here's a performance of a well-known work. Within the bounds of artistic licence or ... well ... just terrible?

(Sorry Saul, but you DID say you didn't want criticism. And I NEVER do what I'm told.)


What my performance of the moonlight sonata has to do with anything here?

Or spamming people's threads is your hobby?
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#1719893 - 07/24/11 10:56 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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This thread is specifically to "post my compositions, arrangements and recordings and share them with everyone".

So your performance is definitely on-topic.

It was quite a serious question, actually. I recently heard a performance of the "Moonlight", by an established artiste, which seemed to me to take mannered "expressiveness" to ridiculous lengths. The underlying triplet movement (which seems to me the unifing and propelling factor of the piece) was ripped to shreds, far beyond any concept of rubato.

So I started a mini-project, collecting recordings of the piece on Spotify and comparing the performances. I found a lot of refusals to embrace the essential simplicity of the music. Some went so far as to be, IMO, laughable. But, obviously, they were acceptable in the classical piano world.

My hobby is debunking foolishness.

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#1719897 - 07/24/11 10:57 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
This thread is specifically to "post my compositions, arrangements and recordings and share them with everyone".

So your performance is definitely on-topic.

My hobby is debunking foolishness.


Well, I didn’t post this performance here, so why post it here without my permission, who gave you this right?

You have absolutely no legal right to do anything with my music or videos without my permission.
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#1719907 - 07/24/11 11:10 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Interesting point. I didn't "do anything" with your music, of course, just mentioned that it existed on a web site that you had previously publicised. If you're ashamed of it, you know what to do. But if you present your work on a discussion forum, expect it to be discussed! You can't enforce special rules.

Note that I've expanded my previous comment.

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#1719909 - 07/24/11 11:12 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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I like your art work though!

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#1719910 - 07/24/11 11:13 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
Interesting point. I didn't "do anything" with your music, of course, just mentioned that it existed on a web site that you had previously publicised. If you're ashamed of it, you know what to do. But if you present your work on a discussion forum, expect it to be discussed! You can't enforce special rules.

Note that I've expanded my previous comment.


Perhaps you have no understanding of copyrights issues, so let me inform you. You have absolutely no right whatsoever to do anything with my music or videos without my permission, get this clear. First clear up your foolishness and then preach others to do the same.

So I strongly advice you to delete the video you posted, I have not granted you any right to post it here, so delete it.
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#1719913 - 07/24/11 11:19 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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I have not posted your video. I have posted a link to your web site, http://www.musicalpaintings.net, which you publicise repeatedly in each of your messages here. If there's anything there not for public consumption, it is completely within your power to remove it.

Wanna play some more?

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#1719914 - 07/24/11 11:21 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
I have not posted your video. I have posted a link to your web site, http://www.musicalpaintings.net, which you publicise repeatedly in each of your messages here. If there's anything there not for public consumption, it is completely within your power to remove it.

Wanna play some more?


You posted a link to a video on my website.

I wonder who in the world gave you this right?

All the content of my website is copy righted. You have no right to use it, post it, or do anything with it without my consent. So I advice you to remove the link.
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#1719916 - 07/24/11 11:26 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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My two cents:

Exalted Wombat, you're just being combative and provocative, and I think you know it. "Debunking foolishness" is a worthwhile hobby when applied to pseudoscience and faith healers; on internet forums devoted to artistic merit it's completely counter-productive and it's just going to get you reprimanded. Saul's made it clear that he doesn't want this kind of criticism, and he's nicely complied with a request to consolidate his compositions into a single thread. Why muck up his thread with unwanted bickering?

That said, Saul: Wombat has a legal (and IMO moral) right to link to any recording he finds on the internet, especially one on youtube. If you don't want it linked to, take it down.

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#1719920 - 07/24/11 11:32 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: beet31425]
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Originally Posted By: beet31425
My two cents:

Exalted Wombat, you're just being combative and provocative, and I think you know it. "Debunking foolishness" is a worthwhile hobby when applied to pseudoscience and faith healers; on internet forums devoted to artistic merit it's completely counter-productive and it's just going to get you reprimanded. Saul's made it clear that he doesn't want this kind of criticism, and he's nicely complied with a request to consolidate his compositions into a single thread. Why muck up his thread with unwanted bickering?

That said, Saul: Wombat has a legal (and IMO moral) right to link to any recording he finds on the internet, especially one on youtube. If you don't want it linked to, take it down.

-J


Of course he does, I just wanted him to see that been an '$$$$ole' wont get him far with me...

Anyways, thanks for saying it like it is. I appreciate your comments.
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#1719937 - 07/24/11 11:51 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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"My hobby is debunking foolishness." Looks like you're learning how to do it for yourself! :-)

That really was a bloody awful rendition of the "Moonlight" though.

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#1719940 - 07/24/11 11:59 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
"My hobby is debunking foolishness." Looks like you're learning how to do it for yourself! :-)

That really was a bloody awful rendition of the "Moonlight" though.


So it was a 'bloody awful rendition' hope youre satisfied now….

I’m very pleased by those who have sent me their complements in the mail.
Music lovers from all over the internet have told me that they enjoyed this performance.
A single voice in the wilderness that doesn’t like it, doesn’t make much of a difference…


Edited by Saul (07/24/11 12:04 PM)
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#1719945 - 07/24/11 12:06 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: beet31425]
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Originally Posted By: beet31425
That said, Saul: Wombat has a legal (and IMO moral) right to link to any recording he finds on the internet, especially one on youtube. If you don't want it linked to, take it down.
Jason, one quick question... Mostly wondering and not trying to steer up any trouble.

There is some huge misunderstanding with the Internet and the findings inside it! There was a long gone saying that "anything on the internet is public domain property", which is actually wrong! The idea is that when you enter something on the net you have little to no control on it. Makes sense. Can I stop anyone from taking my videos and messing with them? I can't and legal conquere over that would cost tons of money!

On the other hand by no means this means that whatever stuff I hacve on the net is actually for free consuption! It's not and nobody has the right to take my stuff and use them as they please! At least stupdily legally speaking, cause in the end the practicality of things remain: I can't have total control of my stuff.

But the simple question: If I find a free copy of windows 7 on teh net, do I have a right to use it? ... has a very direct reply and we all know it!
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#1719963 - 07/24/11 12:37 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
"My hobby is debunking foolishness." Looks like you're learning how to do it for yourself! :-)

That really was a bloody awful rendition of the "Moonlight" though.


So it was a 'bloody awful rendition' hope youre satisfied now….

I’m very pleased by those who have sent me their complements in the mail.
Music lovers from all over the internet have told me that they enjoyed this performance.
A single voice in the wilderness that doesn’t like it, doesn’t make much of a difference…


The lovely thing about this forum is that every effort, however mediocre, is praised!

The worst thing about this forum is that every effort, however mediocre, is praised!

I just listened again, in case I was being unfair. But no, it lacks any musical flow. You're better than that! What does your teacher say about that recording?

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#1719977 - 07/24/11 01:02 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
"My hobby is debunking foolishness." Looks like you're learning how to do it for yourself! :-)

That really was a bloody awful rendition of the "Moonlight" though.


So it was a 'bloody awful rendition' hope youre satisfied now….

I’m very pleased by those who have sent me their complements in the mail.
Music lovers from all over the internet have told me that they enjoyed this performance.
A single voice in the wilderness that doesn’t like it, doesn’t make much of a difference…


The lovely thing about this forum is that every effort, however mediocre, is praised!

The worst thing about this forum is that every effort, however mediocre, is praised!

I just listened again, in case I was being unfair. But no, it lacks any musical flow. You're better than that! What does your teacher say about that recording?


You dont have to like the recording, in fact I dont really care if you like it or not. That's the whole reason people have their 'favorites'...
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#1720023 - 07/24/11 02:39 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
You dont have to like the recording, in fact I dont really care if you like it or not. That's the whole reason people have their 'favorites'...



Yes, I thought long and hard before condemning that performance, particularly the second time. And I took opinions from others here, also musicians.

Not that three opinions are necessarily any better than yours! But there ARE certain absolute standards that can be applied. Be honest to yourself. Rather than continuing to protect yourself, listen to it now, see if you're happy with the lumpy, uneven LH triplets (I didn't say they should be metronomic!) and the huge gaps in the melody. Others on this forum, reluctant to criticise you in public, may PM you to concur. No need to admit this here, but listen, learn and progress.

Now, if you wish, you may have the last word on this matter :-)

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#1720052 - 07/24/11 03:52 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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Since several opinions on this performance of the Moonlight Sonata has been stated, I think it would be useful to state the OBVIOUS facts. The rhythmic and dynamic balance between left and right hand is lacking in several places, so that the rhythmic flow is disturbed. At one point it got so bad that I jumped in my chair. At that point I hit the stop button. I am not sure, but it sounded like the piano was a bit out of tune on some notes.
I have not noticed this problem when Saul plays his own compositions, and I find some of them quite charming. Pianists more accomplished than Saul has managed to make disasters out of classical compositions, so he is in good company.

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#1720090 - 07/24/11 05:05 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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You know what I find mostly ironic and surprising, is the audacity to believe that I some how am not aware of the things you said, and that I need you to tell me and inform me.

I am not a concert pianist, I'm a composer, therefore I play the compositions of other composers very differently then what you'll find with mainstream pianists. I played the piece how I felt it should be played and how it reflects my own thoughts and feelings with this piece, highly subjective I know, but that's the way it is.

I'm not looking with my performances to portray Beethoven at his best, but my own unique interpretation, I know that some wont be too delighted with that, but I know for a fact that others are and were delighted with this performance, and I also know that I cant make everyone happy, I wish I could, but I cant.

So to sit here and to preach me that I should fix this and that with this performance is a nice gesture, but frankly I just can't understand what makes you think that I was not aware of these things myself.

You are not talking to a math teacher or a carpenter, but a musician, if you have sensitive ears, I also have sensitive ears, so what are you trying to do here by telling this to me publicly?

That's you have superior hearing and listening capabilities?

Well let me just inform you that you don't.

Here's a performance of myself playing the Chopin waltz in C sharp minor, yes I know you dont have to tell me all the un-orthodox points found in this recording, but as I explained before as a composer I play other composer's music in a very different way, not the main stream way, and if I was a concert pianist I would have attuned my performances to the profession of concert pianism, and that means more orthodox interpretations.




Edited by Saul (07/24/11 07:47 PM)
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#1720154 - 07/24/11 07:01 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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This work is called ‘Waltz of the third Sabbath Meal’…

Some background of course.

Every week Jews celebrate the Sabbath, it is a holy day and is the 4th Commandment from the Ten Commandments. Jewish Law says that a person must enjoy this day and keep it holy, that means refraining from any creative work, and also it means to eat special traditional foods in a set of 4 Sabbath meals. The first Meal is on Friday night, the Second one is Sabbath morning after the services, and the 3rd one after the afternoon service, and the 4th one after Sabbath ends, a farewell meal for the Sabbath.

This song is sang by Orthodox Jews sitting together in the Synagogue after the afternoon services, in the ‘Third Meal’ of Sabbath. I always found this Waltz very moving, uplifting and inspiring. Right after eating a little the singing begins and everyone sings together, it doesn’t have words, its only music but it expresses the voice of generations.

I decided to create an arrangement of this Waltz and perform it and present it here for everyone to hear.

‘Waltz of the third Sabbath Meal’…



Edited by Saul (07/24/11 07:01 PM)
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#1720220 - 07/24/11 09:39 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Jason, one quick question... Mostly wondering and not trying to steer up any trouble.

There is some huge misunderstanding with the Internet and the findings inside it! There was a long gone saying that "anything on the internet is public domain property", which is actually wrong! The idea is that when you enter something on the net you have little to no control on it. Makes sense. Can I stop anyone from taking my videos and messing with them? I can't and legal conquere over that would cost tons of money!

On the other hand by no means this means that whatever stuff I hacve on the net is actually for free consuption! It's not and nobody has the right to take my stuff and use them as they please! At least stupdily legally speaking, cause in the end the practicality of things remain: I can't have total control of my stuff.

But the simple question: If I find a free copy of windows 7 on teh net, do I have a right to use it? ... has a very direct reply and we all know it!

Fair enough Nikolas, and I'm sure that as you actually make your living as a composer, you've thought about copyright issues more deeply than I.

But I wasn't talking about downloading (or using software). I think that linking to public-access videos, especially videos on youtube, is fair game, no?

-J
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#1720235 - 07/24/11 09:51 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Saul, I enjoyed listening to the latest piece you posted here.

I am curious, since copyright issues have arisen in this thread, about the art you use in your videos.

For example in this Sabbath Video, do you acknowledge in any way the artist that created these images. I don't see any mention of the painter. Is this not important to you?
Do you have permission to use these paintings in promoting your musical compositions ?

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#1720237 - 07/24/11 09:53 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
This work is called ‘Waltz of the third Sabbath Meal’…

Some background of course.

Every week Jews celebrate the Sabbath, it is a holy day and is the 4th Commandment from the Ten Commandments. Jewish Law says that a person must enjoy this day and keep it holy, that means refraining from any creative work, and also it means to eat special traditional foods in a set of 4 Sabbath meals. The first Meal is on Friday night, the Second one is Sabbath morning after the services, and the 3rd one after the afternoon service, and the 4th one after Sabbath ends, a farewell meal for the Sabbath.

This song is sang by Orthodox Jews sitting together in the Synagogue after the afternoon services, in the ‘Third Meal’ of Sabbath. I always found this Waltz very moving, uplifting and inspiring. Right after eating a little the singing begins and everyone sings together, it doesn’t have words, its only music but it expresses the voice of generations.

I decided to create an arrangement of this Waltz and perform it and present it here for everyone to hear.

‘Waltz of the third Sabbath Meal’…



VERY VERY nicely done!
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#1720253 - 07/24/11 10:23 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: D4v3]
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Originally Posted By: D4v3
Originally Posted By: Saul
This work is called ‘Waltz of the third Sabbath Meal’…

Some background of course.

Every week Jews celebrate the Sabbath, it is a holy day and is the 4th Commandment from the Ten Commandments. Jewish Law says that a person must enjoy this day and keep it holy, that means refraining from any creative work, and also it means to eat special traditional foods in a set of 4 Sabbath meals. The first Meal is on Friday night, the Second one is Sabbath morning after the services, and the 3rd one after the afternoon service, and the 4th one after Sabbath ends, a farewell meal for the Sabbath.

This song is sang by Orthodox Jews sitting together in the Synagogue after the afternoon services, in the ‘Third Meal’ of Sabbath. I always found this Waltz very moving, uplifting and inspiring. Right after eating a little the singing begins and everyone sings together, it doesn’t have words, its only music but it expresses the voice of generations.

I decided to create an arrangement of this Waltz and perform it and present it here for everyone to hear.

‘Waltz of the third Sabbath Meal’…



VERY VERY nicely done!


Thank you very much, glad you enjoyed it! thumb
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#1720343 - 07/25/11 12:52 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Dara]
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Originally Posted By: Dara
Saul, I enjoyed listening to the latest piece you posted here.

I am curious, since copyright issues have arisen in this thread, about the art you use in your videos.

For example in this Sabbath Video, do you acknowledge in any way the artist that created these images. I don't see any mention of the painter. Is this not important to you?
Do you have permission to use these paintings in promoting your musical compositions ?


One can only assume by your lack of response to my questions,

that...
You haven't acknowledged/made reference to the artist ,
It doesn't matter to you.
You don't have permission.

I am a painter, photographer and sculptor. I'd be rather ticked if someone used images of my works to promote their works, without my consent.

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#1720371 - 07/25/11 02:23 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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lol Saul,

Ok first thing

Copyright does not cover who you think should visit and who you think should post links. You can't copyright a string of letters which is all a link is. You also can't claim a copyright for your site as it contains material for which you don't have permission. So out window goes any legal hold on your website and the word copyright. \

Second thing.

Your version of moonlight. Criminal.

Third thing

For someone your age, you really need to stop taking yourself so seriously. You are a self admitted amateur and you are 36. Why do you act like EMI has you on retainer.


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#1720466 - 07/25/11 08:40 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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That’s 34, for the second time, are you suffering from an early version of Alzheimer's?

You can’t even get my age straight, an elementary thing by all counts, yet you claim that you are so intelligent and capable of helping others… how can you help any musician when you freaking cant even remember a person’s age, after he had corrected you a number of times…you’re getting really old and annoying, but that’s besides the point…

At any case you been added to my ignore list, and you shall stay there forever.
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#1720862 - 07/25/11 08:24 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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BadOrange. I really admire your ability to get to the point without wasting words. I have something to learn there. That certain other persons should be able to learn that, is probably too much to hope for.


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#1720891 - 07/25/11 09:32 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Dara]
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Originally Posted By: Dara
Originally Posted By: Dara
Saul, I enjoyed listening to the latest piece you posted here.

I am curious, since copyright issues have arisen in this thread, about the art you use in your videos.

For example in this Sabbath Video, do you acknowledge in any way the artist that created these images. I don't see any mention of the painter. Is this not important to you?
Do you have permission to use these paintings in promoting your musical compositions ?


One can only assume by your lack of response to my questions,

that...
You haven't acknowledged/made reference to the artist ,
It doesn't matter to you.
You don't have permission.

I am a painter, photographer and sculptor. I'd be rather ticked if someone used images of my works to promote their works, without my consent.


Added to my ignore list until you cool off, I dont owe anything to you, and I dont owe any explanations to you.
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#1720895 - 07/25/11 09:39 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Performing my composition "The two Lovers"...Regards, Saul.

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#1720899 - 07/25/11 09:46 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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Moonlight Sonata

Here's a performance of a well-known work. Within the bounds of artistic licence or ... well ... just terrible?

(Sorry Saul, but you DID say you didn't want criticism. And I NEVER do what I'm told.)


Completely silly movement, what's the point of posting his moonlight sonata recording in this thread ? Is it a jealousy or what? You should be ashamed of yourself.


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#1720906 - 07/25/11 09:54 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Batuhan]
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Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
Moonlight Sonata

Here's a performance of a well-known work. Within the bounds of artistic licence or ... well ... just terrible?

(Sorry Saul, but you DID say you didn't want criticism. And I NEVER do what I'm told.)


Completely silly movement, what's the point of posting his moonlight sonata recording in this thread ? Is it a jealousy or what? You should be ashamed of yourself.


Thanks for your voice of reason!

Why it has become such a uphill struggle to share art and creativity with people without asking anything in return is Beyond Me.
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#1720911 - 07/25/11 10:04 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Saul, may I ask what to me is a "point of interest" question:
I know you usually have good reasons for naming pieces, so I was surprised at "The Two lovers" For example, if there are lovers (as in a relationship),there would usually be two, and therefore I got to thinking why wouldn't just "The lovers" suffice?

Here is my best guess after puzzling over this: ( I bet I am wrong) Is it so as to avoid any possible reference to the Tarot cards "The lovers?"
Sorry, but my mind asks questions...
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#1720927 - 07/25/11 10:29 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Rostosky]
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Saul, may I ask what to me is a "point of interest" question:
I know you usually have good reasons for naming pieces, so I was surprised at "The Two lovers" For example, if there are lovers (as in a relationship),there would usually be two, and therefore I got to thinking why wouldn't just "The lovers" suffice?

Here is my best guess after puzzling over this: ( I bet I am wrong) Is it so as to avoid any possible reference to the Tarot cards "The lovers?"
Sorry, but my mind asks questions...


Good question,

Lovers can include more then two, for some may be lovers but have other love outside their relationship. Its like the word "you" it can refer to 2, the most natural choice, but then it can also mean a whole bunch of people. Lovers is too general, and I wanted to keep it more specific to the theme of this work. In this work, the 2 lovers are basically portrait by the two voices found in the high notes representing the female voice, soprano, alto, and the lower notes of the piano, representing the man, bass, and baritone. There is a conversation between this pair, beginning with the female voice and answered by the male, and then there is a change of keys. The beginning opening them for both male and female is in A minor, then it changes to E minor, and then back again with added new material in between these themes and then the return to A minor with the ending closing phrase. I really enjoyed playing this work. It took me a while to construct the entire piece, and then to record it. The work is complete, I just have to put it on paper, and that takes time cause I have other things to do, and it becomes just too difficult to find the time to sit down and put all these short piano pieces into scores. Years back when I had more time, and wasn’t busy with my job, I was able to comfortably put many works into paper, writing the scores. But now, with the various responsibilities and the tight schedule I just dont find the time to work on these pieces more thoroughly. I really wish that they will create in the future some kind of a notating system that reads Mp3 files and perfectly notates the score without any hassle.

Thanks for listening...

Cheers,

Saul



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#1720974 - 07/25/11 11:59 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Thanks Saul, that has completely satisfied my enquiring mind!
I am engaged in something very similar at the moment,but with a difference, so wont mention the details till its finished, when it is I will share, and hopefully gain some constructive criticism, allthough as it's sort of personal, that prospect scares me a little. Strike that, it scares me a load!
Thanks.
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#1721439 - 07/26/11 07:51 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Looking forward to listen to it...

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#1723931 - 07/31/11 08:34 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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The Council of Elrond - Piano Version

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#1723975 - 07/31/11 11:22 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Performing my Improvisation Fantastique No. 2 at the piano...

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#1726214 - 08/03/11 10:48 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Performing my Sonata for Organ In G major No. 1.

I. Allegretto

II. Espressivo

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#1726250 - 08/04/11 12:00 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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sonata implies a certain formal conventions including key areas and basic sections of which you have none. i would learn a little about what those names actually mean before slapping them on and looking rather silly in the process. This particular piece was horrid. Had you called it Red Label improvisation on G , I might of been a little more forgiving.

Overall, I would say you have quite the knack at coming up with inappropriate piece names. It is quite comical and hard to take seriously so perhaps research the terms you use and avoid obvious sentimental names that intend a program which you don't fulfill.

You also should learn how an instrument works before composing for it. This sounds so awkward and does not take into account the way an organ actually works.


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#1726281 - 08/04/11 12:58 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Evening Song in F sharp Major...

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#1726283 - 08/04/11 01:05 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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#1726908 - 08/04/11 10:21 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Fixed some audio issue with the upload, now its ok...

Forest Song In G minor for Orchestra - The Forest Sings...

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#1727097 - 08/05/11 09:01 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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i've noticed that in all your pieces, you stay in the same key. Not sure if this is intentional or just a lapse in harmonic vocabulary but it makes every piece rather stale. Nothing every goes anywhere.

The forest song has such a rather rigid rhythmic feel. A forest has trees, trees move and sway. Your piece is the opposite. Instead of using winds which would be more appropriate , you go with a harpsichord that is one of the more rigid percussive and non organic aesthetic which you then layer with a similar sounding harp. No enchantment here.

1/10 for the name
3/10 for the composition

and once again, you use a term which is inappropriate. You can call it the jungle boogie or the garden of eden or any other number of shrubbery related words but what it is not is a song. Just like your sonata isn't a sonata.....


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#1727100 - 08/05/11 09:04 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Bad Orange: I think that you're pushing it a little. Give the guy a break. I think that sticking to one thread is already enough! laugh
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#1727103 - 08/05/11 09:09 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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you haven't seen the vile private messages he sent me after a fair critic prior. I will continue to exercise my right to post here. Saul might cringe but perhaps unconsciously, he will learn a thing or two.

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#1727106 - 08/05/11 09:19 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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It's a passacaglia or close to one then at 3:13 it becomes something else.

That's something I've noticed about Saul's compositions they do much the same thing until 2/3rd to 3/4 of the way through and then start doing something very different. Saul I hope you're reading this and this is a moment of realization for you. The very different part that you finally get to is something that really should come much earlier. This gives you the freedom to explore the contrast between these different sections. Throw in a few key changes and some of what us classical guys call development and you'll have a real sonata. You've got plenty of creativity but your lack of theoretical knowledge is holding you back. Instead you're reinventing the wheel.

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#1727155 - 08/05/11 10:52 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Steve Chandler]
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It's a passacaglia or close to one then at 3:13 it becomes something else.

That's something I've noticed about Saul's compositions they do much the same thing until 2/3rd to 3/4 of the way through and then start doing something very different. Saul I hope you're reading this and this is a moment of realization for you. The very different part that you finally get to is something that really should come much earlier. This gives you the freedom to explore the contrast between these different sections. Throw in a few key changes and some of what us classical guys call development and you'll have a real sonata. You've got plenty of creativity but your lack of theoretical knowledge is holding you back. Instead you're reinventing the wheel.


Of course its something else, I said that its the second movemovent. There are two movements.

I never said that it was one movement sonata, Steve.

Anyways,

Here is my latest Work. Composed for 4 voices , it is called Lament for Gandalf In E minor - Based on The Lord of the Rings.

The Lament for Gandalf referred to any of the elvish songs sung in lamentation for Gandalf in Lothlórien. The only excerpt from these songs is "Mithrandir, Mithrandir, O Pilgrim Grey!".


Lament for Gandalf



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#1727161 - 08/05/11 11:02 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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You come up with new work very quikly and constantly, Saul.

Are you sure they ARE compositions, not just quickly-recorded improvisations? These are useful as an ideas store of course, but then you have to put a little more work in, crafting the ideas into something more structured.

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#1727169 - 08/05/11 11:12 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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You come up with new work very quikly and constantly, Saul.

Are you sure they ARE compositions, not just quickly-recorded improvisations? These are useful as an ideas store of course, but then you have to put a little more work in, crafting the ideas into something more structured.


I have the score for the 'Lement for Gandalf' so I did work on it, and wrote it down, this is not an improvisation. But then I do have a good number of works which are imporvisations, and then I have works that are complete and ready to be put on paper, the compositional aspect of the piece is done, all is needed to put it on paper, so I have many different aspects to my work.

Regards,


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#1727176 - 08/05/11 11:21 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Nikolas]
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Bad Orange: I think that you're pushing it a little. Give the guy a break. I think that sticking to one thread is already enough! laugh




Dont waste your energies explaining to him that he is wrong, abusive people can't comprehend how their actions reflect on others... so let him continue with his brutal and wicked activities, and let the rest of listen and discuss music here and elsewhere, I have him on ignore. I have specifically told him that I dont want to hear anything from him, but my request falls on deaf ears. So let him be and brew in his own stinking soup...for it seems he has nothing better to do then stink up the place, remember Gollum? Sam has always called him 'Stinker'...and boy he does fit the bill...
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#1727270 - 08/05/11 01:30 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Putting on my Yoda hat.

Stinker says you. Have you not learned that goodness can from ones we see an evil come? Ignore do you a voice of intellect. Prefer do you silver tongues that speak platitudes of substance not. Unfortunate and misguided this is.

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#1727275 - 08/05/11 01:39 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Steve Chandler]
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Putting on my Yoda hat.

Stinker says you. Have you not learned that goodness can from ones we see an evil come? Ignore do you a voice of intellect. Prefer do you silver tongues that speak platitudes of substance not. Unfortunate and misguided this is.

[/yoda]


confused what are you talking about, Steve?
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#1727286 - 08/05/11 01:58 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Hey Saul,

Trying to write like Yoda (in Star Wars) speaks is hard. Basically I'm saying that wise people listen to those they disagree with just in case they say something of value. Many have commented constructively on your works and you just say let me be me. Not everything Bad Orange has commented to you was without merit. Indeed much of it I agreed with. It's obvious the two of you frustrate each other, which tells me if you started listening to each other you'd both probably learn something.

Or as Yoda might have said, "Frustrate each other do you two, listen perhaps and grow would both of you."

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#1727296 - 08/05/11 02:07 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Steve Chandler]
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Hey Saul,

Trying to write like Yoda (in Star Wars) speaks is hard. Basically I'm saying that wise people listen to those they disagree with just in case they say something of value. Many have commented constructively on your works and you just say let me be me. Not everything Bad Orange has commented to you was without merit. Indeed much of it I agreed with. It's obvious the two of you frustrate each other, which tells me if you started listening to each other you'd both probably learn something.

Or as Yoda might have said, "Frustrate each other do you two, listen perhaps and grow would both of you."


Say something of value?

Let him write a book about my works and publish it for all I care, but that's not the point.

I don't want to hear him speak, or comment on my music, with or without merit, that's my choice, and he should respect that.

When he refuses to do so, he is becoming abusive, and that's how I consider it, nothing short of abuse.

When someone wants your advice, then you're more then welcome, but when someone says stop, I dont want to hear you, then keep your advice to yourself. I didn’t come here for assistance, I didn’t ask from other musicians to help me with my music, so what's the whole issue here. forcing your uncalled for help?

I dont want it, period.

All I want is to share my music, no strings attached, and that's all.

He can more then often be of assistance for those who are interested and desire his help, and there are many musicians here who fit that category, but I'm not one of them, and intelligent people know when to open their mouths and when to close them too.

Disturbing people at midnight because you believe you are doing the world a favor with your beautiful voice, practicing the strings of your voice, is not an excuse to wake everyone up...

The ends DONT justify the means, I was never a fan of the book, Prince...for its stands in complete opposition to my philosophy.


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#1727341 - 08/05/11 03:28 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Prelude In F major No. 1 for piano - score included- andante...

A rather early work of mine...

Hope everyone enjoys it...

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#1727342 - 08/05/11 03:29 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Saul, why don't you just quit reacting to these people?
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#1727343 - 08/05/11 03:33 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: AlphaTerminus]
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Saul, why don't you just quit reacting to these people?


Its not that easy, but good point.. I would have to work on that.

Thanks...


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#1727353 - 08/05/11 04:00 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Prelude In F major No. 1 for piano - score included- andante...

A rather early work of mine...

Hope everyone enjoys it...

Cheers,

Saul



I have to ask about the time signature. It sounds very much like it's in 4/4, so I was surprised to see it in 3/4 in the score. Listening while following along in the score is a strange experience, as there seems to be no connection (to my ears) between the "real" pulse of the piece and the placement of the score's barlines.

Am I missing something? Why did you make the score in 3/4? Just curious.


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#1727357 - 08/05/11 04:07 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: beet31425]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
Prelude In F major No. 1 for piano - score included- andante...

A rather early work of mine...

Hope everyone enjoys it...

Cheers,

Saul



I have to ask about the time signature. It sounds very much like it's in 4/4, so I was surprised to see it in 3/4 in the score. Listening while following along in the score is a strange experience, as there seems to be no connection (to my ears) between the "real" pulse of the piece and the placement of the score's barlines.

Am I missing something? Why did you make the score in 3/4? Just curious.


-J


I guess I thought that the left hand accompaniment and harmonic structure matches the 3/4 mark better then the rest. But yet again, you're right, it can be also written in 4/4 and also 2/2...I wrote the piece a long time ago, so I don't really recall the exact reason why I chose this TS, but nevertheless, it doesn’t create a real problem with the music as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks for your input anyways...
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#1727846 - 08/06/11 04:17 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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All I want is to share my music, no strings attached, and that's all.


And that's all you CAN do! It's a public forum and you can't attach strings. You say what you want to, others say what they want to.

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#1727986 - 08/06/11 09:41 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
All I want is to share my music, no strings attached, and that's all.


And that's all you CAN do! It's a public forum and you can't attach strings. You say what you want to, others say what they want to.


And that's why we have the iggy button...
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#1728033 - 08/07/11 12:28 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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One of two of my impressionist pieces for Solo Piano.

Watercolor Painting In F sharp major - Allegro - Score Included.

The impressionist movement in music was a movement in European classical music, mainly in France which appeared in the late nineteenth century and continued into the middle of the twentieth century. Similarly to its precursor in the visual arts, musical Impressionism focuses on a suggestion and an atmosphere rather than on a strong emotion or the depiction of a story as in program music. Musical Impressionism occurred as a reaction to the excesses of the Romantic era. While this era was characterized by a dramatic use of the major and minor scale systems, Impressionist music was tending to make more use of dissonance. Rather uncommon scales such as whole tone scale are also typical for this movement. Romantic composers were using long forms of music, e.g. symphony and concerto, while Impressionist composers were favoring short forms such as nocturne, arabesque and prelude.

Via Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressionist_music

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#1730468 - 08/10/11 11:04 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Currently working on a work based on The Lord of the Ring. Its a piano work called "Aragorn's Song"...Hope to post it here when its done...

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#1730577 - 08/11/11 12:52 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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man i can't wait!

what can we expect ? Super stoked. Did you get the new version of SIbelius ? IT comes with a plugin that reduces the overall suckyness of a work. Anyways, you should check it out.

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#1730602 - 08/11/11 01:18 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: BadOrange]
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man i can't wait!

what can we expect ? Super stoked. Did you get the new version of SIbelius ? IT comes with a plugin that reduces the overall suckyness of a work. Anyways, you should check it out.


Spoken by a nobody like a true nobody...
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#1730727 - 08/11/11 04:08 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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HA - I knew you didn't put me on ignore.

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#1730747 - 08/11/11 06:07 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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[/quote]I guess I thought that the left hand accompaniment and harmonic structure matches the 3/4 mark better then the rest. But yet again, you're right, it can be also written in 4/4 and also 2/2...I wrote the piece a long time ago, so I don't really recall the exact reason why I chose this TS, but nevertheless, it doesn’t create a real problem with the music as far as I'm concerned.[/quote]

It makes it quite hard to play! Most of us have the rhythmic pulse as a basis of our reading and playing, we don't just progress from note to note.

Surely this must have been merely a bad decision in a notation program that you failed to catch when proof-reading?

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#1730772 - 08/11/11 07:46 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
Originally Posted By: Saul
All I want is to share my music, no strings attached, and that's all.


And that's all you CAN do! It's a public forum and you can't attach strings. You say what you want to, others say what they want to.


And that's why we have the iggy button...


As you, yourself, Saul said in another forum:

"I have every right to be here and speak my mind, just as you do!!
If you dont like this, go screw yourselves!"

And, of course, no-one who threatens to use "Ignore" actually does :-)

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#1730785 - 08/11/11 07:59 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
Originally Posted By: Saul
All I want is to share my music, no strings attached, and that's all.


And that's all you CAN do! It's a public forum and you can't attach strings. You say what you want to, others say what they want to.


And that's why we have the iggy button...


As you, yourself, Saul said in another forum:

"I have every right to be here and speak my mind, just as you do!!
If you dont like this, go screw yourselves!"

And, of course, no-one who threatens to use "Ignore" actually does :-)


LOL,

That toggle thing destroys that option HAHA!
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#1730788 - 08/11/11 08:02 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Exalted Wombat]
Saul Offline
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Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
[/quote]I guess I thought that the left hand accompaniment and harmonic structure matches the 3/4 mark better then the rest. But yet again, you're right, it can be also written in 4/4 and also 2/2...I wrote the piece a long time ago, so I don't really recall the exact reason why I chose this TS, but nevertheless, it doesn’t create a real problem with the music as far as I'm concerned.


It makes it quite hard to play! Most of us have the rhythmic pulse as a basis of our reading and playing, we don't just progress from note to note.

Surely this must have been merely a bad decision in a notation program that you failed to catch when proof-reading? [/quote]

Interesting that I showed the same piece of music to a piano teacher in Juilliard. and he was impressed and took a copy to show to his Professor, he didn’t say anything about the notation, in fact he even played the piece for me.
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#1730801 - 08/11/11 08:16 AM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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Loc: London UK
Originally Posted By: Saul
Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
I guess I thought that the left hand accompaniment and harmonic structure matches the 3/4 mark better then the rest. But yet again, you're right, it can be also written in 4/4 and also 2/2...I wrote the piece a long time ago, so I don't really recall the exact reason why I chose this TS, but nevertheless, it doesn’t create a real problem with the music as far as I'm concerned.

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It makes it quite hard to play! Most of us have the rhythmic pulse as a basis of our reading and playing, we don't just progress from note to note.

Surely this must have been merely a bad decision in a notation program that you failed to catch when proof-reading?

Interesting that I showed the same piece of music to a piano teacher in Juilliard. and he was impressed and took a copy to show to his Professor, he didn’t say anything about the notation, in fact he even played the piece for me.

I find it very hard to believe that he approved the notation, even if he chose to only make positive comments! Send it to a few musicians that you respect. Ask the direct question "should this be notated in 3/4 or 4/4?".

Unfortunately, you have previously presented yourself as a person who cannot accept criticism. Many people will take this on board and offer only encouragement. This avoids fireworks, but slows down your musical development!

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#1731039 - 08/11/11 01:44 PM Re: Saul's Compositions [Re: Saul]
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FYI, because of Saul's recent actions in the Pianists' Corner, he has been removed from Piano World. I realize his comments and compositions were valued by some, but his inability to refrain from making abusive comments to others while baiting/inviting others to do the same towards him have made it difficult to maintain the peace.

This decision was considered and agreed upon by all the administrators.

His thread will remain open here, but he will be unable to reply.
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