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#1725219 - 08/02/11 01:43 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: liszt85]
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Originally Posted By: slerk
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: slerk
Yang is really, really popular among the Asian community, I can tell you that. More so than Li Yundi or Lang Lang (obviously).
What do you base this statement on or is just idle speculation?



Let's see, I am Asian myself and don't live in a pineapple under the sea.
So if I'm Caucasian, I'll automatically know how three white pianists rank in popularity?


You probably wanted to ask "So if I'm Caucasian, I'll automatically know how popular three (white) pianists are in the Caucasian community". Don't try to pull a fast one on slerk. wink When asked this question, it doesn't seem so very absurd anymore, does it (assuming that you get to talk to a lot of Caucasians, by virtue of having lived in places with lots of Caucasians for a majority of your life and having talked to piano enthusiasts over the years)?

I didn't probably want to ask him that...that's what I asked him.

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#1725249 - 08/02/11 02:30 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: slerk
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: slerk
Yang is really, really popular among the Asian community, I can tell you that. More so than Li Yundi or Lang Lang (obviously).
What do you base this statement on or is just idle speculation?



Let's see, I am Asian myself and don't live in a pineapple under the sea.
So if I'm Caucasian, I'll automatically know how three white pianists rank in popularity?


You probably wanted to ask "So if I'm Caucasian, I'll automatically know how popular three (white) pianists are in the Caucasian community". Don't try to pull a fast one on slerk. wink When asked this question, it doesn't seem so very absurd anymore, does it (assuming that you get to talk to a lot of Caucasians, by virtue of having lived in places with lots of Caucasians for a majority of your life and having talked to piano enthusiasts over the years)?

I didn't probably want to ask him that...that's what I asked him.


That is not what you asked him. You asked him if you'd automatically know the popularity of white pianists! That isn't the issue here. The issue here is if you would probably know the popularity of pianists in the Caucasian community as opposed to the Asian community because you seemed to object to slerk claiming he was Asian and that he probably had a good idea about what popularity of pianists was like in the Asian community.

Is this so very difficult?
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#1725327 - 08/02/11 04:41 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: liszt85]
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Originally Posted By: liszt85
That is not what you asked him. You asked him if you'd automatically know the popularity of white pianists! That isn't the issue here. The issue here is if you would probably know the popularity of pianists in the Caucasian community as opposed to the Asian community because you seemed to object to slerk claiming he was Asian and that he probably had a good idea about what popularity of pianists was like in the Asian community.

Is this so very difficult?
It seems difficult for you to understand.

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#1725334 - 08/02/11 04:46 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: liszt85
That is not what you asked him. You asked him if you'd automatically know the popularity of white pianists! That isn't the issue here. The issue here is if you would probably know the popularity of pianists in the Caucasian community as opposed to the Asian community because you seemed to object to slerk claiming he was Asian and that he probably had a good idea about what popularity of pianists was like in the Asian community.

Is this so very difficult?
It seems difficult for you to understand.


Yea, it is difficult for me to understand why its so very difficult for you to see the difference in focus.. I thought logical abilities were much more common in the population than that. I strangely have a suspicion that you realize too that there is a difference but are just too adamant to admit it.
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#1725342 - 08/02/11 04:59 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: slerk]
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We're flirting with a lock here.

Just agree to disagree and MOVE ON.
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#1725355 - 08/02/11 05:12 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: slerk]
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That's 3 (only very slightly aggressive) exchanges between us and we're already flirting with a lock? My, you are one strict mod, Kreisler! I'd agree with you if you just said that this topic has run its course. Yea yea, I know.. it doesn't matter if I agree or not.
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#1726184 - 08/03/11 09:53 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: slerk]
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Since there was some discussion above regarding attire, I thought the following to be interesting (I hate to say it, but she seems somewhat proud of the review).

Music review: Yuja Wang and Lionel Bringuier at Hollywood Bowl

I'd like to add that she DID receive a little note from me.
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#1726191 - 08/03/11 10:18 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: slerk]
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Fleisher had a little something to say about the obsession with "stars" in his PBS interview:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/entertainment/july-dec11/leonfleisher_07-18.html
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#1726220 - 08/03/11 11:01 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: stores

I'd like to add that she DID receive a little note from me.


I'll bet she treasures it. laugh
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#1726239 - 08/03/11 11:32 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: stores


I'd like to add that she DID receive a little note from me.



about couture or about music??

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#1726264 - 08/04/11 12:34 AM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: Andromaque]
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Originally Posted By: stores


I'd like to add that she DID receive a little note from me.


about couture or about music??


I have a feeling stores's advice on both would be well worth heeding.
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#1726297 - 08/04/11 01:22 AM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: stores


I'd like to add that she DID receive a little note from me.


about couture or about music??


I have a feeling stores's advice on both would be well worth heeding.


Well, Herr moderator may be more privy to things than common mortals, but last I checked the Maison Dior knows no stores.. (only boutiques!) smile

Plus the lady is pleased with the reviews of both accounts. That should tell you (and him) something.

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#1726348 - 08/04/11 04:04 AM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: stores

I'd like to add that she DID receive a little note from me.


I'll bet she treasures it. laugh


Oh she does. She fired back and I may have lost a friend, but I stand by what I said and the way I feel about things like this.
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#1726398 - 08/04/11 08:16 AM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler

I have a feeling stores's advice on both would be well worth heeding.


Maybe you could share the reason you have that feeling. Then maybe your repeated fawning over him will seem less meretricious.
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#1726416 - 08/04/11 08:56 AM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Kreisler

I have a feeling stores's advice on both would be well worth heeding.


Maybe you could share the reason you have that feeling. Then maybe your repeated fawning over him will seem less meretricious.


In all of his postings, stores' has proven one thing over and over again - the music is always at the top of his priority list and his respect for the music drives everything he says. (The moderator in me sometimes wishes it didn't make him so tenacious in his arguments, but the musician in me finds himself agreeing with stores 99% of the time.)
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#1726558 - 08/04/11 01:22 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Kreisler

I have a feeling stores's advice on both would be well worth heeding.


Maybe you could share the reason you have that feeling. Then maybe your repeated fawning over him will seem less meretricious.


In all of his postings, stores' has proven one thing over and over again - the music is always at the top of his priority list and his respect for the music drives everything he says. (The moderator in me sometimes wishes it didn't make him so tenacious in his arguments, but the musician in me finds himself agreeing with stores 99% of the time.)


+1

By the way: stores, don't worry if you lost a friend. You have plenty of other fantastic musical friends, one of whom is now among my very favorite pianists now, and whom I dearly hope to study with next summer! wink

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#1726571 - 08/04/11 01:38 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Originally Posted By: liszt85
Focusing on looks (skimpy clothes, flowing blonde hair) seems to work against these pianists! People judge them based on how they dress and somehow have a model in mind that assigns an inverse relationship between a pianist being conscious about looks and his/her talent. That's what I perceive from several of the comments made here.


It seems to be more of a piano phenomenon than a violin one. People seem to be more accepting of attractive violinists for some reason. (Josefowicz, Hahn, St. John, Akiko-Meyers...)

On a bit of a tangent, I think male pianists err too far in the wrong direction - ignoring dress altogether and wearing the same drab suits all the time. The French seem to be way ahead of the curve: Thibaudet, Tharaud, and Bavouzet always look pretty sharp.

That's because the violin is so small compared to the body. When you perform violin, you're much more "out there" than if you play piano. There's no big hulking contraption to hide behind. As for Yuja's dress...well...I'll say that as long as she's wearing it for the right reasons, there's no basis for us judging it against her. Sometimes when you look good, you feel good. It's not the most practical dress for a pianist though, because when you're sitting down someone might be able to peek up. At least she isn't a cellist? laugh

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#1726591 - 08/04/11 01:55 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Kreisler

I have a feeling stores's advice on both would be well worth heeding.


Maybe you could share the reason you have that feeling. Then maybe your repeated fawning over him will seem less meretricious.


In all of his postings, stores' has proven one thing over and over again - the music is always at the top of his priority list and his respect for the music drives everything he says. (The moderator in me sometimes wishes it didn't make him so tenacious in his arguments, but the musician in me finds himself agreeing with stores 99% of the time.)


+1

By the way: stores, don't worry if you lost a friend. You have plenty of other fantastic musical friends, one of whom is now among my very favorite pianists now, and whom I dearly hope to study with next summer! wink


Wait a minute... Did I miss something???? Is Stores friends with Yuja Wang???? Who else is Stores friends with??? Wow!!!!

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#1726606 - 08/04/11 02:09 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: PaulaPiano34]
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Apparently so.

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#1726607 - 08/04/11 02:10 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Apparently so.


Did they go to school together?

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#1726608 - 08/04/11 02:11 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: PaulaPiano34]
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Originally Posted By: chobeethaninov
Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Apparently so.


Did they go to school together?


No idea... He's just talked about her on PW before.

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#1726617 - 08/04/11 02:21 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: chobeethaninov
Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Apparently so.


Did they go to school together?


No idea... He's just talked about her on PW before.


Stores is a HE? I thought stores was a middle aged woman (sorry Stores; Mark C thought I was a college age man). Guess I was wrong...

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#1726618 - 08/04/11 02:22 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: PaulaPiano34]
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Originally Posted By: chobeethaninov
Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Originally Posted By: chobeethaninov
Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Apparently so.


Did they go to school together?


No idea... He's just talked about her on PW before.


Stores is a HE? I thought stores was a middle aged woman (sorry Stores; Mark C thought I was a college age man). Guess I was wrong...


OOPS! grin

You know, one person here legitimately thought I was a female!! wink

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#1726685 - 08/04/11 04:39 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: PaulaPiano34]
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Originally Posted By: chobeethaninov
Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Originally Posted By: chobeethaninov
Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Apparently so.


Did they go to school together?


No idea... He's just talked about her on PW before.


Stores is a HE? I thought stores was a middle aged woman (sorry Stores; Mark C thought I was a college age man). Guess I was wrong...



Oh my God!!!!!! I'm on the floor!!! HYSTERICAL!!!!!!! I'm certainly a he and yes, I know Yuja.
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#1726688 - 08/04/11 04:41 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Kreisler

I have a feeling stores's advice on both would be well worth heeding.


Maybe you could share the reason you have that feeling. Then maybe your repeated fawning over him will seem less meretricious.


In all of his postings, stores' has proven one thing over and over again - the music is always at the top of his priority list and his respect for the music drives everything he says. (The moderator in me sometimes wishes it didn't make him so tenacious in his arguments, but the musician in me finds himself agreeing with stores 99% of the time.)


+1

By the way: stores, don't worry if you lost a friend. You have plenty of other fantastic musical friends, one of whom is now among my very favorite pianists now, and whom I dearly hope to study with next summer! wink


I'm betting I know who you're talking about, but you'll have to message me and let me know for sure. He's a southern neighbor, yes?
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#1726691 - 08/04/11 04:43 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: stores]
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I'm betting I know who you're talking about, but you'll have to message me and let me know for sure. He's a southern neighbor, yes?


Yup! smile

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#1726784 - 08/04/11 07:30 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King

You know, one person here legitimately thought I was a female!! wink

Nah, I've always seen OSK as male and very attractive to young ladies. He will be the most loving dad.

But... if I may be so bold... I've never encountered in person -or in cyberspace- any female who likes Alkan, at least the solo piano works. If I am not mistaken, none of the comments re Alkan on a recent thread were from females here.

And what female has recorded Alkan?
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#1726802 - 08/04/11 07:50 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: argerichfan]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King

You know, one person here legitimately thought I was a female!! wink

Nah, I've always seen OSK as male and very attractive to young ladies. He will be the most loving dad.

But... if I may be so bold... I've never encountered in person -or in cyberspace- any female who likes Alkan, at least the solo piano works. If I am not mistaken, none of the comments re Alkan on a recent thread were from females here.

And what female has recorded Alkan?

I remember ChopinAddict saying that she liked Alkan. Boo to gender stereotypes. :P

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#1726811 - 08/04/11 07:58 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: Frozenicicles]
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I remember ChopinAddict saying that she liked Alkan. Boo to gender stereotypes. :P
So did chobeethaninov, if I recall correctly.
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#1726814 - 08/04/11 07:59 PM Re: Argerich has lost her touch? [Re: currawong]
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Originally Posted By: Frozenicicles
I remember ChopinAddict saying that she liked Alkan. Boo to gender stereotypes. :P
So did chobeethaninov, if I recall correctly.

The exception proving the point?

Not trying to raise Cain, mind you... laugh
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