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#1732401 - 08/13/11 05:25 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Monica K
Back in the old days, before the forum software change, you could go back and edit/delete former posts whenever you wanted. A prominent and valued member of the forum decided to leave (long story, not worth rehashing), and he went back and deleted most of his posts. It made a mess of a lot of threads! So I'm in favor of the new system that puts a time limit, though I wish it were more like 48 hours.


What is the time limit now? It seems to be at least 24 hours.
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#1732409 - 08/13/11 05:37 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Hello Pogo, I am fairly new and appreciate everyone's post. Your posts are very good and insightful! I can understand your concern, though. But, I would not fret or worry.
I had great advice from a teacher in college awhile back. "Try to always include something positive and encouraging when correcting students' mistakes and errors and/or making general comments." I think it was very good advice. I don't think one can ever have too much encouragement and support. I am enjoying Piano World posts. Everyone seems very supportive and I appreciate all the comments. I hope I can support everyone here in some small way. I am learning a lot in the forum! I enjoy the music and learning about pianists, performances, and what everyone is practicing and listening. Best wishes Pogo.

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#1732411 - 08/13/11 05:40 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Musicfan1979]
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Originally Posted By: Musicfan1979
"Try to always include something positive and encouraging when correcting students' mistakes and errors and/or making general comments."


I have heard this advice somewhere before also. Unfortunately, being a student myself, after thinking about this advice it came to the point that i didn't really take notice of any compliments as i felt they were probably forced just to make me feel better. grin
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#1732418 - 08/13/11 05:48 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
It's not like people often dig up old old threads and read them - they usually look at recent stuff.

Actually I must confess I often dig up old, moldy threads...especially the ones that discuss technique or pianos. When I was looking to buy a new piano I scoured old discussions about different high end pianos, how people tested pianos, how they negotiated deals. There's an old thread by Kreisler on the left hand of the Pathetique which I've read...except I'm mad at him because the exercises that are supposed to be in there can no longer be found. smile

In a way, this forum is almost like a Wiki. Together we are creating a treasure trove of misinformation. That's why I believe in preserving the integrity of the discussions.
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#1732428 - 08/13/11 05:53 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I have to find some posts I want deleted myself when I find the time. Particularly when I post in the middle of the night sometimes I might say something I don't really want to say. frown
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#1732430 - 08/13/11 05:59 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but it seems to me that it's up to Pogorelich to assess her risk/exposure, and not for others to tell her not to worry.
As to whether it's fair to the other forumites, etc., well, that is a valid point of discussion.
FWIW, I do know that when I deleted my Facebook account, all my posts magically went away.

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#1732559 - 08/13/11 10:21 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: jazzyprof]
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Originally Posted By: jazzyprof
Actually I must confess I often dig up old, moldy threads...especially the ones that discuss technique or pianos....
In a way, this forum is almost like a Wiki. Together we are creating a treasure trove of misinformation.....

I think that's completely right.

I've also been on forums where people can delete their posts at any time. ("Edit," not necessarily; I think every place had a time limit on that.) But this site is the kind of reference that Jazzy described to a much greater extent than those other sites.
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#1732560 - 08/13/11 10:22 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
I have to find some posts I want deleted myself when I find the time. Particularly when I post in the middle of the night sometimes I might say something I don't really want to say. frown

I remember that one of those ticked me off pretty bad. ha
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#1732561 - 08/13/11 10:24 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Then we've gotta keep that one! grin
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#1732563 - 08/13/11 10:26 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Then we've gotta keep that one! grin

The beauty of it is, she probably wouldn't know what post that was even if she were looking right at it. Because I didn't really get mad....I just sort of whined. ha
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#1732565 - 08/13/11 10:32 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
I have to find some posts I want deleted myself when I find the time. Particularly when I post in the middle of the night sometimes I might say something I don't really want to say. frown

I remember that one of those ticked me off pretty bad. ha


Really? laugh

PS: Luckily it is too cold now to post in the middle of the night. I stay in bed even if I cannot sleep. ha
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#1732569 - 08/13/11 10:46 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
I have to find some posts I want deleted myself when I find the time. Particularly when I post in the middle of the night sometimes I might say something I don't really want to say. frown

I remember that one of those ticked me off pretty bad. ha


Really? laugh

PS: Luckily it is too cold now to post in the middle of the night. I stay in bed even if I cannot sleep. ha


Sometimes I forget that while we're having our summer in North America, the good folks down under are having their winter !!! Wish I could say that it was too cold here to post in the middle of the night...but that only happens when I turn the air conditioning down really low. grin

And yes - I do wish we had more time to "edit" our posts.
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#1732835 - 08/14/11 02:21 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Australia's winters aren't too bad compared to ours. Still, I'm glad it's summer here.
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#1732845 - 08/14/11 02:43 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Removing selected posts changes threads. If someone is having a thread conversation and half the conversation suddenly disappears, the other poster's writing is suddenly nonsensical. If you start allowing people to remove their own posts selectively, shouldn't you also notify everyone else whose posts now are left dangling so that they too can choose whether or not to have their own posts removed? Mucking with history, even internet history, is complicated.


How do you feel about the moderators deleting a post without notifying the individual about that deletion? I just had that happen in the Piano forum and I was not informed by anyone about anything. There was nothing offensive about what I wrote I should add.

Once the words appear at this site, who owns them? Can the moderators come in and edit posts and not then make no mention of those edits?

If someone wants to delete their own words, that's their right in my book.

I'm guessing the owner of this site makes around $125 (or more) or so each and every day from ad clicks. We're donating our time, and in some cases, expensive time, for free. I think the playing field should be made as level as possible considering some donate time and others profit from that time.

(Will this post be deleted, will this thread be locked? ... stay tuned... )
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#1732852 - 08/14/11 02:56 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: jazzyprof]
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Originally Posted By: jazzyprof

Actually I must confess I often dig up old, moldy threads...


I often keep my own copy of my posts, particularly those that are fairly complicated, or took a long time to write. When the same topics come up, I often recycle them, with the preface that my post is a rewrite of something I posted some time ago.

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#1732860 - 08/14/11 03:11 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Dave Horne]
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Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Removing selected posts changes threads. If someone is having a thread conversation and half the conversation suddenly disappears, the other poster's writing is suddenly nonsensical. If you start allowing people to remove their own posts selectively, shouldn't you also notify everyone else whose posts now are left dangling so that they too can choose whether or not to have their own posts removed? Mucking with history, even internet history, is complicated.


How do you feel about the moderators deleting a post without notifying the individual about that deletion? I just had that happen in the Piano forum and I was not informed by anyone about anything. There was nothing offensive about what I wrote I should add.

Once the words appear at this site, who owns them? Can the moderators come in and edit posts and not then make no mention of those edits?

If someone wants to delete their own words, that's their right in my book.

I'm guessing the owner of this site makes around $125 (or more) or so each and every day from ad clicks. We're donating our time, and in some cases, expensive time, for free. I think the playing field should be made as level as possible considering some donate time and others profit from that time.

(Will this post be deleted, will this thread be locked? ... stay tuned... )



Got to agree with you on this one Dave.
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#1732920 - 08/14/11 05:29 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Dave Horne]
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How do you feel about the moderators deleting a post without notifying the individual about that deletion? I just had that happen in the Piano forum and I was not informed by anyone about anything. There was nothing offensive about what I wrote I should add....

I don't think we have any idea even how to start thinking about that without knowing more -- particularly, what it was about the post that made him/them delete it. You're saying there was nothing 'offensive,' but presumably there was felt to be some issue.
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#1732948 - 08/14/11 06:02 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Edited by BB Player (08/14/11 09:03 PM)
Edit Reason: Recap of deleted post deleted
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#1732957 - 08/14/11 06:20 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Dave Horne]
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OK -- thanks for the details.
That was hardly a routine series of posts grin and (pretty soon) had nothing to do with music or piano. Sounds like it was a 2-person digression that very arguably had no place on the site. I get your general point but I don't think it relates much to what we're mostly talking about....
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#1732958 - 08/14/11 06:22 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Pogorelich.]
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The philosophical aspects of this issue are interesting.

However, in practice, I think the following two statements sum things up nicely:

1) Heavy editing my moderators could easily become very time consuming. Plus...if we exercised our editing ability often, people would gripe about being censored or having words put in their mouths. This is why I rarely edit, and on those occasions where I do, it's because I've been specifically asked, because there's a clear infraction of forum rules. And I always let things stand "Marked as edited." (In the interest of full disclosure, I have in the past edited my own posts to correct errors in grammar and spelling without marking them as being edited. It's a small perk I allow myself.) smile

2) Allowing users to edit freely would, I guarantee, result in people revising what they've said in an effort to make other people appear to be on the losing side of an argument and/or avoid punitive actions.
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#1732961 - 08/14/11 06:29 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Mark_C]
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OK -- thanks for the details.
That was hardly a routine series of posts grin and (pretty soon) had nothing to do with music or piano. Sounds like it was a 2-person digression that very arguably had no place on the site. I get your general point but I don't think it relates much to what we're mostly talking about....


I don't know, I think this comes under the general discussion of having posts deleted or edited ... my intrusion in the thread is not so unrelated, is it?

At any rate, my previous post was a response to yours. Now you know what can be deleted without any comment, explanation, whatever, from those doing the deletion.

I would still like to know what happened to theJourney. Was he permanently banned? I always enjoyed his intellect even if those in charge felt threatened by it.
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#1732966 - 08/14/11 06:33 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Dave Horne]
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....I would still like to know what happened to theJourney. Was he permanently banned? I always enjoyed his intellect even if those in charge felt threatened by it.

I did too, but I also noticed that he sometimes skated very close to the edge if not beyond. It was like there were two completely different types of posts that he did, with no in-between: Very intelligent and insightful, or in-your-face/you-stink.
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#1732969 - 08/14/11 06:36 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Mark_C]
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....I would still like to know what happened to theJourney. Was he permanently banned? I always enjoyed his intellect even if those in charge felt threatened by it.

I did too, but I also noticed that he sometimes skated very close to the edge if not beyond. It was like there were two completely different types of posts that he did, with no in-between: Very intelligent and insightful, or in-your-face/you-stink.


It still would be nice to know what happened. I know as a registered member of this forum I have no right to ask the moderator(s) what his status is - they do not have to answer to us, right?, but I would still like to know what his status is.

Is that asking too much?
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#1732971 - 08/14/11 06:41 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Dave Horne]
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Sure you have the right to ask -- and you just did. smile

And yeah, they don't have to answer. But let's see.
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#1732977 - 08/14/11 06:45 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Mark_C]
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Sure you have the right to ask -- and you just did. smile

And yeah, they don't have to answer. But let's see.


They have the right to ignore any uncomfortable questions while at the same time they have the right to collect the money from the ad clicks. smile

I'm guessing I'll be eliminated sometime soon. wink
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#1732979 - 08/14/11 06:45 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
....I would still like to know what happened to theJourney. Was he permanently banned? I always enjoyed his intellect even if those in charge felt threatened by it.

I did too, but I also noticed that he sometimes skated very close to the edge if not beyond. It was like there were two completely different types of posts that he did, with no in-between: Very intelligent and insightful, or in-your-face/you-stink.


I might be wrong, but I think he was banned because he had said something against the US and because of his general "negative" attitude. You are a good detective thumb , try to find some of his last posts... smile Banned members don't appear on the User List any more, but if you find one of their posts and look at their profile from their name (right-clicking on their name still takes you to their profile), you can see their last posts and try to figure out why they were banned.
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#1732994 - 08/14/11 06:59 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I think if someone leaves on their own, is forced to leave, or is temporarily banned, etc. it's no one's business what happened or why it happened.

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#1733000 - 08/14/11 07:04 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Dave Horne]
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...They have the right to ignore any uncomfortable questions while at the same time they have the right to collect the money from the ad clicks. smile

Yes they do -- and truly I would wish that they make as much money from the site as possible. Don't you?
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#1733001 - 08/14/11 07:04 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: pianoloverus]
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I think if someone leaves on their own, is forced to leave, or is temporarily banned, etc. it's no one's business what happened or why it happened.





You're so enlightened.
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#1733004 - 08/14/11 07:05 PM Re: OT - accounts and posts [Re: Dave Horne]
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I think if someone leaves on their own, is forced to leave, or is temporarily banned, etc. it's no one's business what happened or why it happened.





You're so enlightened.


Made me laugh.
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