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#1738918 - 08/23/11 09:49 AM Re: Stuck between a Roland RD-300NX and a Roland FP-4F [Re: hypercube]
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Registered: 12/07/09
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Originally Posted By: hypercube
But, still, am I the only one considering this a major flaw?

I see it as a major flaw as well. And our RD-700NX not having at least a simple MIDI recorder, as well as MIDI => WAV rendering (even though it can play MIDI and record WAV, but not do both at the same time) has me shopping around for used cheap laptops. Grrr.

I was even thinking of building a simple MIDI recorder / player with an FPGA evaluation board (I have a few laying around on my workbench). No need for any MIDI protocol intelligence if it simply deals with bytes and timing. I was thinking it could store the MIDI byte along with a 24 bit timing value, with the timing value used to retrieve the byte at playback. 0.1 ms resolution would give a longest possible silence of ~27 minutes before the 24 bit timer rolls over.

One can get around the need for file system support by only using it as a real-time record / playback device - record the DP, play back to a PC sequencer, edit on PC, record the PC sequencer output, play back on DP. Kind of a MIDI mule (which is what I was going to name it if I built it).
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#1738934 - 08/23/11 10:04 AM Re: Stuck between a Roland RD-300NX and a Roland FP-4F [Re: hypercube]
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Originally Posted By: dewster
One can get around the need for file system support by only using it as a real-time record / playback device - record the DP, play back to a PC sequencer, edit on PC, record the PC sequencer output, play back on DP.


Perhaps I'm missing something here, but what would be the point? Couldn't you just connect the DP and PC directly? If you're doing to build a portable MIDI player/recorder, it needs to support USB storage in my opinion.

Do it man - the cat's getting bored.

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#1738984 - 08/23/11 11:57 AM Re: Stuck between a Roland RD-300NX and a Roland FP-4F [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but what would be the point? Couldn't you just connect the DP and PC directly?

DP is upstairs, PCs are downstairs. It's a bit less effort bringing the NX to the PCs (rather than vice versa) but still more than I like to expend for quick tests and the like.

Originally Posted By: Kawai James
If you're doing to build a portable MIDI player/recorder, it needs to support USB storage in my opinion.

USB file system support means an imbedded processor and Linux.

A simple real-time player / recorder is just a bidirectional serial port, buffering in RAM, transfer to / from SPI FLASH, and a few state machines. I could probably build it in a week or so, but it's enough effort that I keep putting it off. I'm kind of shocked that there isn't at least one inexpensive commercial solution, but I guess laptops killed the portable sequencer market.
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#1744561 - 09/01/11 02:57 PM Re: Stuck between a Roland RD-300NX and a Roland FP-4F [Re: hypercube]
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Registered: 08/19/11
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Hello everyone,

Just to say I went for the FP4F after all for all the reasons mentioned above, I have ordered it and it's already on its way from Germany.

I'm acting like a baby lately, I can't wait to get it! smile

A big thanks to everyone for pointing the (perhaps) obvious to an untrained eye.

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#1744679 - 09/01/11 05:46 PM Re: Stuck between a Roland RD-300NX and a Roland FP-4F [Re: hypercube]
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Good luck with your new board hypercube, I'm sure you'll enjoy it! What I love about my FP4F is the weight...it's really very light for an 88-note weighted digital piano. My back is already thanking me for it.

However - and I knew this before I bought it - the action itself is quite 'heavy'. If you're looking to strengthen your fingers it will certainly do this...I find it a breeze playing pieces on other keyboards once I've mastered them on the FP4F. I'm seeing this as a positive at the moment!

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#1744904 - 09/02/11 02:39 AM Re: Stuck between a Roland RD-300NX and a Roland FP-4F [Re: hypercube]
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Thanks sh1!

I happen to suffer from a sailing back injury at the moment so I'm already thanking fate for making me choose the light version ;-)

I know, the original FP-4 felt heavy to the fingers but also realistic which was also a plus for me. The FP-4 is the only one I could get my hands on so I suppose I'm waiting for something similar from the FP-4F too. Playing on acoustic pianos is something I'm working on again; plus I'll move my acoustic upright Yamaha to my place, at some point. So I was looking for a heavy DP in the first place...
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