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#1724540 - 08/01/11 01:36 PM SIbelius 7
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Sibelius 7 out.

Haven't installed it yet as i'm working on a project with 7 and I don't need any issues with a version 1.0 . ANy opinions so far ?


Edited by BadOrange (08/01/11 02:13 PM)

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#1724545 - 08/01/11 01:44 PM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: BadOrange]
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Are you sure it's not 7 that's recently out?

I don't use Sibelius myself, but heard that there's nothing considerable enough to upgrade and pay the 149$ (I think). Plus users seem to have a continuous problem with copy pasting large chunks of staves and bars, but it doesn't seem to be corrected on 7.

Check on vi-control, there's already a thread there. smile
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#1724566 - 08/01/11 02:13 PM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: BadOrange]
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#1724627 - 08/01/11 03:40 PM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: BadOrange]
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I'm currently using Sibelius 6; I've tried the demo of version 7, and although the new text layout functions look intriguing, there's nothing really new that would make me want to upgrade immediately. I'll stay with version 6 (that one was totally worth it for magnetic layout alone) and maybe upgrade again when version 8 arrives. But only if they finally include separate labels for staves and staff groups and an accidental handling that doesn't force you to use symbols if you happen to need more accidentals than Sibelius thinks you should use.
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#1724726 - 08/01/11 06:48 PM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: BadOrange]
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I recall my school music teacher saying she has ordered 5 copies of Sibelius for some school computers - I wonder if it will be this new version. I'm still using Sibelius 6 myself.
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#1725011 - 08/02/11 05:57 AM Re: SIbelius 7 [Re: BadOrange]
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Originally Posted By: BadOrange
Sibelius 7 out.

Haven't installed it yet as i'm working on a project with 7 and I don't need any issues with a version 1.0 . ANy opinions so far ?


There don't seem to be any show-stoppers. Unless the new text handling would transform your present project, I'd complete it in Sib 6.

But installing 7 doesn't knock out your installation of 6. You can have both!

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#1725097 - 08/02/11 10:53 AM Re: SIbelius 7 [Re: BadOrange]
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The big show-stopper is full MusicXML support. (Sibelius has supported importing since version 4 or 5, but until now, it took an expensive plugin to export MusicXML.)
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#1725107 - 08/02/11 11:02 AM Re: SIbelius 7 [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
The big show-stopper is full MusicXML support. (Sibelius has supported importing since version 4 or 5, but until now, it took an expensive plugin to export MusicXML.)


Quite the opposite of a show-stopper then!

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#1725199 - 08/02/11 01:19 PM Re: SIbelius 7 [Re: BadOrange]
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There is absolutely no problem.

For about 10 dollars, go and purchase the Finale2011 Notepad.

That program gives you the ability to export finale files and save them as MusicXML files.
After you have saved them as such, you can open them in Sibelius. I have done that, and it works wonders.


Edited by Saul (08/02/11 01:20 PM)
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#1725218 - 08/02/11 01:42 PM Re: SIbelius 7 [Re: Saul]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
There is absolutely no problem.

For about 10 dollars, go and purchase the Finale2011 Notepad.

That program gives you the ability to export finale files and save them as MusicXML files.
After you have saved them as such, you can open them in Sibelius. I have done that, and it works wonders.


We're talking about exporting Music XML FROM Sibelius! Do try and keep up! :-)

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#1725234 - 08/02/11 02:03 PM Re: SIbelius 7 [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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Originally Posted By: Saul
There is absolutely no problem.

For about 10 dollars, go and purchase the Finale2011 Notepad.

That program gives you the ability to export finale files and save them as MusicXML files.
After you have saved them as such, you can open them in Sibelius. I have done that, and it works wonders.


We're talking about exporting Music XML FROM Sibelius! Do try and keep up! :-)


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#1732638 - 08/14/11 02:22 AM Re: SIbelius 7 [Re: BadOrange]
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Yes, the big plus is definitely the capability to export xml files... But I prefer the interface of Sibelius 6. It could be that it takes some time to get used to the new interface of Sibelius 7 though, I don't know.
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#1732658 - 08/14/11 05:44 AM Re: SIbelius 7 [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Yes, the big plus is definitely the capability to export xml files... But I prefer the interface of Sibelius 6. It could be that it takes some time to get used to the new interface of Sibelius 7 though, I don't know.


I suppose so. If you think it's all that big a deal. It's always been possible to transfer the MUSIC to another program. So now you can transfer most of the layout. But, as anyone who has made a Music XML transfer between score publishing programs knows, there's always a LOT of checking and tidying-up to do. Why not leave it in the original program?

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#1732669 - 08/14/11 06:55 AM Re: SIbelius 7 [Re: BadOrange]
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I suppose it could be useful if you for example use Sibelius and want to share the "score" with somebody who has Finale, but yes, there is still a lot of work to do at this stage. I once tried a transfer from Finale to Sibelius and it was far from satisfactory. (Actually I hadn't even looked at Sibelius 7 until now because I don't intend to upgrade, I was just curious when I saw this thread and learned about this improvement from Kreisler.)
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#1732683 - 08/14/11 08:06 AM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: Nikolas]
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ACheck on vi-control, there's already a thread there. smile


Not a terribly well-informed one though. The usual "My favourite feature is missing" rants, when it's just a matter of re-arranged menus. And slagging off the new sound set. Admittedly, the original demo tracks were useless (some better ones are on the site now). And the lack of documentation obscures just how much IS in there in the way of different playing techniques etc.

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#1732822 - 08/14/11 02:07 PM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: BadOrange]
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Tried it out for a few minutes, Is it just me or does it remind you of Microsoft office. Just the layout and such.

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#1733054 - 08/14/11 08:04 PM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: MadForBrad]
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Originally Posted By: BadApple
Tried it out for a few minutes, Is it just me or does it remind you of Microsoft office. Just the layout and such.


Well, there's a ribbon. Not my favourite feature.

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#1733290 - 08/15/11 03:30 AM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
ACheck on vi-control, there's already a thread there. smile


Not a terribly well-informed one though. The usual "My favourite feature is missing" rants, when it's just a matter of re-arranged menus. And slagging off the new sound set. Admittedly, the original demo tracks were useless (some better ones are on the site now). And the lack of documentation obscures just how much IS in there in the way of different playing techniques etc.
Well... the forum is mainly for film/media/computer game composers, who don't really care that much about notation (as opposed to classical ones), and thus the main focus is the sample libraries used... (and ranting against Garritan, which is a favorite subject over there, no matter how nice Gary is! grin)
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#1733620 - 08/15/11 04:13 PM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: BadOrange]
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although many use sample libraries as it is pretty standard for directors to want a mock up, most if not alot use notation programs. Well not entirely true. As a team, notation programs always get used despite the use of sample libraries as eventually, everything gets recorded.

And most of the more talented individuals do their mock ups from scores. So I think you would find alot quite familiar with sibelius.

Usually, the process involves a back and forth from sibelius to Daw and back.


Edited by MadForBrad (08/15/11 04:15 PM)

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#1733636 - 08/15/11 04:29 PM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: MadForBrad]
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Would you like to try that again, in English? :-)

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#1733694 - 08/15/11 05:46 PM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: BadOrange]
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that the people using sample libraries still use notation programs and still use real orchestras. Well professionals anyways.

the reason it was hard to explain is that there are different ways people do things. There are production companies were the main composer has a rather large team and the guy doing the mock ups is getting the score from the orchestrator who converted the composers sketch into a full length and orchestrated cue.

Sample libraries don't always replace orchestras despite being used in a project. It does depend on budget and trends also change on the particular industry niche.


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#1733799 - 08/15/11 08:32 PM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: MadForBrad]
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Slightly better. But only slightly :-)

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#1734071 - 08/16/11 04:58 AM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: BadOrange]
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MadforBrad: Yes, and I agree. But Vi stands for Virtual Instrument, so regarldess of what you say, usually in that forum the Insturments get discussed (and ditched), not the notation. In fact I've very rarely seen scores in there (except my own perhaps). I'm a purist when it comes to notation: I still work with pencil and paper, but I do see the point in vi: It's a huge world, that where people use samples. When the budgets go further up and you have a chance to do a real orchestra, you are also bound by an NDA! Thus very few recordings of real orchestras and scores get online, as opposed to smaller budget stuff, where samples are used and things are much looser. wink
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#1736736 - 08/19/11 07:08 PM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: BadOrange]
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But you will usually find people that can answer any question regarding motatio programs on there rather than the sibelius forum.

The best place to go is probably the Vsl forums.

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#1736741 - 08/19/11 07:14 PM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: MadForBrad]
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The Sibelius forum is a quite unusual place. Several experienced users vie with each other to answer questions - it is quite unusual to not get a (usually accurate and helpful) response within the hour, day or night! And Daniel Spreadbury, the Sibelius Product Manager is in seemingly constant attendence.

This level of support is a major factor in favour of using Sibelius.

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#1736809 - 08/19/11 09:26 PM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: BadOrange]
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yup. a few users then a mass of beginners asking silly questions that would not need to be asked if people were more independent.

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#1736934 - 08/20/11 01:32 AM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: MadForBrad]
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But you will usually find people that can answer any question regarding motatio programs on there rather than the sibelius forum.

The best place to go is probably the Vsl forums.
I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean. Furthermore I don't see the point of bringing up a forum owned by a company rather than an independent one, or the Sibelius forum. ???
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#1736995 - 08/20/11 05:04 AM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: BadOrange]
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If you have a question about music, as it relates to notation (or even not) the mail-list
sibelius-list@yahoogroups.com
is a useful place. For more technical Sibelius-related stuff,
http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?groupid=3
is the ONLY place to be.

But don't take my word for it. Post your problems or thoughts at them, and at Vsl. Compare results.

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#1737238 - 08/20/11 03:21 PM Re: SIbelius 8 [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: MadForBrad
But you will usually find people that can answer any question regarding motatio programs on there rather than the sibelius forum.

The best place to go is probably the Vsl forums.
I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean. Furthermore I don't see the point of bringing up a forum owned by a company rather than an independent one, or the Sibelius forum. ???


one forum ie the vsl forum has about a 80 / 20 professional rate where as sibelius forums are full of beginners. The people on the vsl and vi forums actually work in the industry and tend to know a lot more. I'm sure there is a few on the sibelius forum but my experience is that the forum is flooded with silly questions from beginners that don't have the patience to do a google search .


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