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#1731444 - 08/12/11 01:18 AM Voice on Musecore
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Hopefully one of you is familiar with this programme. I'm trying to make a digital copy of a three-voice fugue, and I've figured out where the voice settings are and everything, but I haven't figured out how I actually start notating in another voice. Any help would be great.

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#1731536 - 08/12/11 06:25 AM Re: Voice on Musecore [Re: Steve712]
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You mean Musescore?

According to the manual,
http://musescore.org/en/handbook/voices
you seem to have two voices available on each stave. To start entering in Voice 2, click on the Voice 2 button and enter notes exactly the same way as you did into Voice 1. Advanced notation programs (Sibelius, Finale) allow 4 voices per stave. Musescore appears to allow just 2, which may present problems in transcribing a 3-voice fugue.

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#1731643 - 08/12/11 10:56 AM Re: Voice on Musecore [Re: Steve712]
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Yes, sorry about that spelling error ... it was 3AM and I should've been asleep about three hours prior.

There are only ever two voices on a stave in the fugue, so it will do just fine. I had clicked the Voice 2 button, but I was unable to place the notes. Do I have to go from the very beginning of the piece like in Voice 1, or is there some sort of trick?

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#1731839 - 08/12/11 04:16 PM Re: Voice on Musecore [Re: Steve712]
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OK, I just downloaded it. Not bad for free!

Did you click the big letter N to get into Note Input mode?

I see you CAN have up to 4 voices.

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#1731842 - 08/12/11 04:21 PM Re: Voice on Musecore [Re: Steve712]
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I figured it out, though it took me a while. See my new topic with the finished product. laugh

It is a really good piece of software for a freebie, I agree! I was pleased to find it, being cheap as I am.

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#1731856 - 08/12/11 05:22 PM Re: Voice on Musecore [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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No, Musescore has four voices per staff. On that upper row just to the right of the notes and accidentals, there are four numbered buttons arranged in a square and color coded:

1 = blue
2 = green
3 = orange
4 = violet

You have to go into note entry mode, then select your duration and voice.

Every voice you use has to be complete from the beginning of the measure, so if a voice comes in later than the first beat, you have to enter rests in that voice before you can get to its first note.

Unselected notes appear in black, but selected ones appear in their voice color. Select entire measures to see what's in which one.


Edited by JohnSprung (08/12/11 05:28 PM)
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#1739462 - 08/24/11 04:32 AM Re: Voice on Musecore [Re: Steve712]
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This program sound very tedious.
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#1739561 - 08/24/11 09:40 AM Re: Voice on Musecore [Re: Froglegs]
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Originally Posted By: Froglegs
This program sound very tedious.


Maybe. But it's free, and it's trying to compete on equal terms with software that is very, very expensive.

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#1740239 - 08/25/11 08:00 AM Re: Voice on Musecore [Re: JohnSprung]
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Originally Posted By: JohnSprung
there are four numbered buttons arranged in a square and color coded:

1 = blue
2 = green
3 = orange
4 = violet


haha, they aren't copying Sibelius at all, then?
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#1740241 - 08/25/11 08:02 AM Re: Voice on Musecore [Re: Steve712]
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Oh boy... Finale's first layer is blue as well (2nd is red, 3rd is blue/green don't remember)... bloody heck. Who's copying who now?
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#1746932 - 09/05/11 02:26 PM Re: Voice on Musecore [Re: Steve712]
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Registered: 04/01/11
Posts: 14
I've used the free version of MuseScore before and If i remember correctly, on the free version, you can't listen to any other voicings you input except for voice 1. Also, I don't know if you're having this issue, but I always had to reset the playback mode when I used it so it took me about a half hour to just listen to the first voicing. For me, it's a complex program that I don't want to mess with.

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#1747093 - 09/05/11 06:43 PM Re: Voice on Musecore [Re: Steve712]
Steve712 Offline
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I can listen to all of the voices at once without issue. I don't have the playback problem, either. *shrugs*

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#1751084 - 09/12/11 02:19 AM Re: Voice on Musecore [Re: Exalted Wombat]
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Originally Posted By: Exalted Wombat
OK, I just downloaded it. Not bad for free!

Did you click the big letter N to get into Note Input mode?

I see you CAN have up to 4 voices.


It is a wonderful program. For piano-only score composition, it gives you just about everything you need. You do have to do fingering by hand, but it is doable. Everything you need...

For chamber music, acceptable.

Stock sound is not the greatest, but the program is flexible enough to allow you to import better-quality sound banks (which you can find on your own wink ).

I've never used Sebelius (sp?) or Finale, but suspect they allow more effective management of larger scores, better control of playback (e.g. accel. and ritard), playback support for crescendos, etc. - which MuseScore at last check lacks. Others can confirm.

A process I've found effective for synthesized music is composition within MuseScore, export the individual staves as MIDI files, and then import into CuBASE for final mixing, modulation, and mastering. CuBASE of course gives you the minutest dynamic control - pretty much everything you could want for a high-quality rendered recording.
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#1751086 - 09/12/11 02:26 AM Re: Voice on Musecore [Re: JohnSprung]
gerg Offline
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Originally Posted By: JohnSprung
No, Musescore has four voices per staff. On that upper row just to the right of the notes and accidentals, there are four numbered buttons arranged in a square and color coded:

1 = blue
2 = green
3 = orange
4 = violet

You have to go into note entry mode, then select your duration and voice.

Every voice you use has to be complete from the beginning of the measure, so if a voice comes in later than the first beat, you have to enter rests in that voice before you can get to its first note.

Unselected notes appear in black, but selected ones appear in their voice color. Select entire measures to see what's in which one.


That is true. The program has its quirks. Also... save your work frequently... It tends to have difficulty with tuplets, esp. copying and pasting within a measure.

But hey, for a free and open source score input program... hard to beat.

Actually, you have have as many "voices" - if by that one means piano, violin, clarinet, oboe, etc. (as opposed to "voices" in a music theory sense ala a Bach fugue) as the page will hold. Not sure what the upper limit is, but I've had as many as 14 staves.


Edited by gerg (09/12/11 02:28 AM)

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#1751145 - 09/12/11 06:15 AM Re: Voice on Musecore [Re: gerg]
kevinb Offline
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Registered: 09/18/09
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Originally Posted By: gerg
I've never used Sebelius (sp?) or Finale, but suspect they allow more effective management of larger scores, better control of playback (e.g. accel. and ritard), playback support for crescendos, etc. - which MuseScore at last check lacks. Others can confirm.


Urg... Sibelius's support for crescendos (and velocity dynamics in general) is buggy as heck. I usually have to fix these in a different program frown It's my one real complaint about Sibelius, other than the obvious one -- the price.

In my view, the main advantages of Sib over MuseScore are

1. VST support
2. Stability/reliability
3. Huge range of compositional tools

Most of the features I'm thinking of for (3) probably _could_ be implemented for MuseScore as plugins, or something; but they aren't.

I'm impressed at what MuseScore can do for free, but I find I'm too limited by what it can't do. YMMV, of course.

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