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#1752279 - 09/14/11 05:02 AM Beginning at the beginning...
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I'm beginning my piano journey at the beginning.
I know how to read the notes on the treble clef and note duration.

I'm in awe at the talent of everyone here ( spent a few days reading threads and listening to recordings). I would love some accountability/ support to help me on my way.

I cannot go to lessons at the moment, but have promised myself , as soon as I relocate next year, that piano lessons will be a priority. Hopefully I can learn the basics, develop dexterity etc without too many bad habits in the meantime.

So my plan of action is as follows:

Learn to read the bass clef and learn where all the notes on the grand stave are on the piano.
Learn and practice scales, chords and arpeggios - I have purchased ABRSM complete manual and ordered Scales Bootcamp.
Develop finger strength using Czerny Op 599.
Learn theory ( something I didn't do as a child learning guitar).

Resist all temptation to try and play stuff that is out of my league. crazy
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#1752284 - 09/14/11 05:18 AM Re: Beginning at the beginning... [Re: Dulcetta]
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Welcome to the wonderful world of piano playing Dulcetta.
Hope that you enjoy the process of learning to play.
Sounds like you have some good plans to lead you forth in development.
Remember to relax and have fun!
I am mainly a self taught pianist though i had some classical background when younger.
My forte is improvisation and through that composing.
It was through improvisation that I was able to let loose, expand my technique, and explore many dynamics of this wonderful instrument.
I'd encourage you to give it a try. You could take the C major scale for example and turn it in to an improvisational exercise.

Best wishes with your new adventure!

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#1752382 - 09/14/11 10:56 AM Re: Beginning at the beginning... [Re: Dulcetta]
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Besides resisting temptation, what pieces are you going to play?

It's not clear how close to the begining you really are, given your list, but I would look at one of the simple method books to give you some starter pieces (Alfred's adult course for example).

Do not, not, not try to make the Czerny go fast. If your technique is not adequate it will just give more problems to be fixed up later (and possibly hurt you). Make sure you read up about relaxation, hand position, etc (and ask specific questions if you aren't sure).


If I had my time all over again (and given my piano studies have spanned three decades but I've only had a teacher for the last 16 months, I sometimes wish I could have started over), I would take a method book very very very slowly and master each piece. But that's not very exciting either ...
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#1752479 - 09/14/11 03:11 PM Re: Beginning at the beginning... [Re: Dulcetta]
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Registered: 09/06/11
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Loc: Denmark
I am new to, and I have know idea what to learn and it what order, atm I am slowly going trough lypur´s videos on youtube.

I have printer some flash cards, so I can learn what the basics.
I plan on getting a teacher, but I am not able to get one until after xmas, so any tips on what to learn, read or watch, so i don't develop any bad habits, would be much appreciated.
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#1752484 - 09/14/11 03:27 PM Re: Beginning at the beginning... [Re: Dulcetta]
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Dulcetta and Devtron

I agree with Andy. Take it slow so you don't develop bad habits or even injury. Since you want to take lessons but cannot for a while, you could have a look at Amazon or elsewhere for one of the elementary/beginner level books of Alfred Adult, Faber Adult, Helen Marlais, or one of the other method systems. This will give you a good grounding in elementary theory, keyboard geography, note reading, and rhythms. For six or eight bucks these books take you step by step through the most important things at a pace most folks can handle.
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#1752584 - 09/14/11 07:19 PM Re: Beginning at the beginning... [Re: JimF]
Dulcetta Offline
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Loc: U.K.
Hi Devtron , and thanks Dara , Andy and Jim for the advice.

I haven't started the Czerny yet, when I purchased my scales manual, the music shop owner recommended it, with much the same advice as yourself to go slowly.

I'm a pattern and routine type person and will happily spend ages playing one bar over and over till I get it right, so I won't be racing through anything lol

I started just over a week ago and found reading bass clef difficult as I kept translating from treble clef ,
e.g. first line on note = E = G, and realised that was not going to get me anywhere. So I am now looking at the key on the piano and visualizing where it would be on the staff and vice versa, and making better progress.

Scale wise I have learnt C major in similar and contrary motion and starting to practice it with Lh starting on C and Rh on A, again to help with recognising notes on both clefs.

I looked at Alfred's but didn't like the enlarged staff or the note names being on the notes. A friend has recommended the Helen Marlais books and offered a loan of one to try it out.
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#1752762 - 09/15/11 04:44 AM Re: Beginning at the beginning... [Re: Dulcetta]
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Registered: 09/04/11
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Quick trick for Dulcetta and all those that only learned treble clef. The notes on the bass clef are one line or space lower than the treble.

So Line 1 Bass Clef = Line 2 Treble Clef - G

If you know for example that the Treble 4th line is D, The Bass D is the 3rd line (one line lower). Make sense?

Connecting what you see to where it is on the piano is also a great idea, especially for the beginner.
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#1752834 - 09/15/11 09:03 AM Re: Beginning at the beginning... [Re: Dulcetta]
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Registered: 12/21/09
Posts: 521
Loc: Amsterdam, Holland
Dulcetta and Devtron,

Czerny op 599 is a good way to start in the beginning, because it's sounds very classic. Image to do the song of three little ducks in the disco or some other child song instead, it will make your brain silly if you repeat that like 100 times. But be careful because Czerny is quite fast, so take it slow and do one bar or exercise every two weeks or something like that.

You could also mix it up with exercises of Ferdinand Beyer op 101 vorschule, so you will have more exercises at the same level. You can download it from the ISMLP database for free here:

http://imslp.org/wiki/Vorschule_im_Klavierspiel,_Op.101_(Beyer,_Ferdinand)

(uh, why isn't this a link? Ah well just cut and paste it in your browser. Sorry for this.)

In the same database you can find Czerny op 599 and a lot of other Czerny stuff for beginners. Just download and print what you need. Feel free to search for easy exercises.

Good luck with your new and very rewarding hobby!

Chris

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#1752959 - 09/15/11 01:14 PM Re: Beginning at the beginning... [Re: Dulcetta]
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Registered: 05/04/11
Posts: 1091
Loc: Southeast of Spain
Thanks for the link, Chris!
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#1753343 - 09/16/11 03:56 AM Re: Beginning at the beginning... [Re: Brian Lucas]
Dulcetta Offline
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Registered: 09/11/11
Posts: 75
Loc: U.K.
Thanks Brian,
I had noticed that, but to be honest that is exactly what I am trying to avoid.
I don't want to translate from one clef to another, I want to be able to think in bass clef as well as treble clef. Translating takes time and will hinder sight reading, may only be a few seconds, but I'm nearer 40 than 10 and brain processes things a bit more slowly now.
Its like being bilingual as opposed to having English as a first language and also being able to speak French. The latter hears the French and translates it in their mind back to their own language, whereas the bilingual person can think in both French and English.
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#1753344 - 09/16/11 03:57 AM Re: Beginning at the beginning... [Re: PaperClip]
Dulcetta Offline
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Registered: 09/11/11
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Loc: U.K.
Thanks Chris !

I have downloaded the Beyer and Czerny's The little pianist too.
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#1753574 - 09/16/11 01:45 PM Re: Beginning at the beginning... [Re: Dulcetta]
Devtron Offline
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Registered: 09/06/11
Posts: 15
Loc: Denmark
Placed an order for the following.

Practiceopedia
The Practice Revolution
Scales Bootcamp

Also placed an order for

Piano Specimen Sight-reading Tests: Grade 1
Piano Scales and Broken Chords: Grade 1
Adult All-in-One Course: Lesson, Theory, Technique Level 1 (Alfred's Basic Adult Piano Course)

looked at Czerny op 599, I need to learn to read notes..............

Any other recommendations ?



Edited by Devtron (09/17/11 06:30 AM)
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#1755016 - 09/18/11 10:22 PM Re: Beginning at the beginning... [Re: Dulcetta]
littlebunny Offline
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Registered: 09/11/11
Posts: 10
Not sure if we're supposed to post links to products here, so let me just suggest that you Google "Duane Shinn".

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#1755072 - 09/19/11 12:30 AM Re: Beginning at the beginning... [Re: Dulcetta]
PianoStudent88 Offline
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Registered: 06/16/11
Posts: 3172
Loc: Maine
Originally Posted By: Dulcetta
I looked at Alfred's but didn't like the enlarged staff or the note names being on the notes.

My teacher had me fill in the noteheads to cover the named notes (and whiteout in the whole and half notes).
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#1755560 - 09/19/11 06:39 PM Re: Beginning at the beginning... [Re: Dulcetta]
Jaak Offline
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Registered: 06/30/11
Posts: 224
Loc: Tallinn, Estonia
Hi Dulcetta and also Devtron,

I have only been there couple of months but..

By my opinion this is a great place to share, get inspiration and ideas or just listen to recordings of others that can be very insightful on beautiful.

Welcome from me!

Jaak

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#2047436 - 03/13/13 02:47 AM Re: Beginning at the beginning... [Re: Dulcetta]
Dulcetta Offline
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Registered: 09/11/11
Posts: 75
Loc: U.K.
Well I am beginning all over again ! grin

So I spent approx 4 months on my first journey on the piano. Then my health and circumstances got in the way and while I could knit in bed, I could not practice the piano. So all my plans and dreams were abandoned, lost and forsaken..........

Now , just over a year later, back and joint pain are better managed and buying Einaudi's new album and tickets for concert in April has reawakened that determination to learn to play.

I can realistically sit and practice in twenty minute sessions a few times a day , and from what I have read that is probably better than an hour at a time anyway.

Plan of action much the same as before , but this time I will be taking things very slowly, as I noticed my muscle memory is much better than my brain memory. I can still play the scales I had learned, at speed, but if I go slow and think about what notes I am playing , that is close my eyes and visualize the notes on the keyboard or the stave, I am lost. My fingers have remembered the patterns but I haven't really learned the notes of the scale properly. So I am going slowly, not over-practising ( read the thread about 5 times correctly and stop) and letting the brain have time to learn.

Improve note reading skills and recognition of where all the notes on the grand stave are on the piano.
Currently looking at keyboard and visualizing the notes on the stave and vice versa.
Learn and practice scales, chords and arpeggios. Currently working on A major scale, 2 octaves, separate, similar and contrary motions. A, D and E major broken chords and arpeggios in Root, I and II inversions.

Revise and continue to learn theory and learn about music history.

I have ordered the Faber and Faber Piano adventures primer and Level 1 books to both help me keep to discipline of learning slowly and have books ready for my five year old to start learning from in the next year or two.
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