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#1760479 - 09/27/11 02:45 PM Where are all the grand pianos?
8track Offline
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Registered: 09/21/11
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Loc: Texas
I'm new here - sort of. I've been reading the forum for months, reading Fine, etc., but I'm getting serious about a new piano and some help would be great. I'm in the Houston area and I've been disappointed in the availability of new piano brands in the "middle market." I've checked out Boston, Kawai, and Yamaha locally. The Houston area seems to have dealers that cover the lower end Pearl River, Haillun, Henry Miller, etc, and the higher end, like Steinway, Bechstein, Mason & Hamlin, etc. But aside from the three I mentioned (Boston, Kawai, Yamaha) the middle pianos seem to be missing, like Estonia, Bohemia, Petrof, Knabe, Young Chang (Albert Weber), Schimmel, Pramberger, etc etc...I can find more in Dallas and maybe in Austin, but I'd prefer to stay closer to home when I buy. Should I travel to try pianos? Austin is 3 hours, Dallas is 4. Just seems like Houston, the largest city in the South, ought to have more selection.

5'-10" is about the largest I can go. Any suggestions for pianos that would compete with, say, the RX-2 or the Boston 178? So far I liked the 178 a just little better than the RX-2, but that changes with my mood. The 178 is at the high end of my budget, although I'm flexible, and I'm not in a hurry.

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#1760510 - 09/27/11 03:22 PM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: 8track]
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Originally Posted By: 8track
...I can find more in Dallas and maybe in Austin, but I'd prefer to stay closer to home when I buy. Should I travel to try pianos? Austin is 3 hours, Dallas is 4. Just seems like Houston, the largest city in the South, ought to have more selection.


If you want to broaden your choices of the pianos "in the middle" then you'll have to travel and see what is out there, be able to try the different pianos to find a tonal profile and feel of the action that you prefer. People do this all of the time when their locale doesn't offer enough selections to try.

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#1760527 - 09/27/11 03:43 PM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: 8track]
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No one can really tell you if it's worth your time and energy to travel to hear other mid level pianos. If you feel you really don't like Yamaha, Kawai, and Boston very much it might make sense but you also might not like the others any more.

Those PW members familiar with your area might be able to suggest dealers they think would be worth a visit.

If you do travel make sure to contact the stores first to find out how many mid level pianos they have to choose from and to try and get the best service/knowledge from your visit.


Edited by pianoloverus (09/27/11 06:15 PM)

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#1760551 - 09/27/11 04:23 PM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: 8track]
Jonathan Alford Offline
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Registered: 08/10/11
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Loc: Colorado
I just searched on Knabe's website and came up with Forshey Piano Co. They list that they are the dealer for:
STEINWAY & Sons
Boston
Essex
Kohler & Campbell
Wm. Knabe & Co.
SEILER
Petrof
Estonia
Are they not in business anymore? The site just says they are closing one location. Maybe you can get a deal on what they have in stock.

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#1760854 - 09/28/11 01:57 AM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: Jonathan Alford]
8track Offline
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Registered: 09/21/11
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Loc: Texas
I've been there and they essentially are a "Steinway Family" dealer these days. No Knabe's that I recall. They had the "new" indonesian Seiler and Boston, plus tons of Steinways.

I travel a lot, and I've looked in many places, although I haven't taken the time to play much at the distant stores as I am concerned about post-purchase service. Regardless, I do like the Bostons and Kawais. The Kawai place has a Shigeru for 28.5K (5'-10) which is a great piano for the price, but it's an ugly color (thus they are having a hard time moving it). "Others in my house" aren't convinced the price is worth living with its look.

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#1760859 - 09/28/11 02:20 AM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: 8track]
carey Offline
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Registered: 05/13/05
Posts: 3961
Loc: Phoenix, Arizona
Originally Posted By: 8track
I'm new here - sort of. I've been reading the forum for months, reading Fine, etc., but I'm getting serious about a new piano and some help would be great. I'm in the Houston area and I've been disappointed in the availability of new piano brands in the "middle market." I've checked out Boston, Kawai, and Yamaha locally. The Houston area seems to have dealers that cover the lower end Pearl River, Haillun, Henry Miller, etc, and the higher end, like Steinway, Bechstein, Mason & Hamlin, etc. But aside from the three I mentioned (Boston, Kawai, Yamaha) the middle pianos seem to be missing, like Estonia, Bohemia, Petrof, Knabe, Young Chang (Albert Weber), Schimmel, Pramberger, etc etc...I can find more in Dallas and maybe in Austin, but I'd prefer to stay closer to home when I buy. Should I travel to try pianos? Austin is 3 hours, Dallas is 4. Just seems like Houston, the largest city in the South, ought to have more selection.

5'-10" is about the largest I can go. Any suggestions for pianos that would compete with, say, the RX-2 or the Boston 178? So far I liked the 178 a just little better than the RX-2, but that changes with my mood. The 178 is at the high end of my budget, although I'm flexible, and I'm not in a hurry.


FYI - A dealer in Houston who carried Estonia and Schimmel went out of business about 4 years ago.
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#1760878 - 09/28/11 03:23 AM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: 8track]
gnuboi Offline
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Registered: 04/26/10
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Loc: USA
Surely they can get you a Shigeru in the finish you want. The included MPA visit at your home will further improve the touch and tone to your liking (whether you knew you needed it or not grin).

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#1760919 - 09/28/11 06:13 AM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: 8track]
Rich Galassini Offline
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Unfortunately you might have to take a drive to try some other instruments out, but I highly recommend doing this.

In the end you may choose something that you have already played, but you'll know you got the best choice for you.

Good Luck - and keep us posted,
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#1760941 - 09/28/11 07:39 AM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: 8track]
Rickster Offline
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Registered: 03/25/06
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Loc: Georgia
Unfortunately, I'm thinking it is getting harder and harder to find real pianos in real piano stores... the one and only smalish piano store near me is a dealer for Young Chang and Story and Clark. She usually keeps a couple of Bergmann baby grands and uprights in stock, but not any more. If you want to buy a grand piano from her, you have to more or less order it first.

Someone told me that the only thing keeping her business afloat is the music and accessories she sells and the music lessons side of the business.

If I wanted to find a piano store with several grand painos on the showroom floor, I'd have to travel at least 50 miles or more.

I'd love to see a real piano store on every corner...

Rick



Edited by Rickster (09/28/11 07:40 AM)
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#1761011 - 09/28/11 09:49 AM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: Rickster]
8track Offline
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Registered: 09/21/11
Posts: 6
Loc: Texas
Without Internet (and PW) I might not even be aware of the myriad choices out there and I might have already bought a piano, but knowing these things are available SOMEWHERE makes me less apt to buy soon...

If I order a piano are there certain makes that are more likely to be similar to the one I try at the store? Flip-side question: is a piano that has been the floor model for a common piano(like a C2, RX2, etc) a greater risk in terms of reliability? There are some big discounts available here for such pianos.

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#1761096 - 09/28/11 01:02 PM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: 8track]
Rickster Offline
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Registered: 03/25/06
Posts: 6030
Loc: Georgia
Originally Posted By: 8Track
If I order a piano are there certain makes that are more likely to be similar to the one I try at the store? Flip-side question: is a piano that has been the floor model for a common piano(like a C2, RX2, etc) a greater risk in terms of reliability? There are some big discounts available here for such pianos.

I’m no expert, but typically, a floor model that has been on the showroom floor for a while will likely have been played more and tuned more times, improving the tuning stability, than one fresh out of the crate.

It may, however, have a few more fingerprints, but it is not likely to be less reliable than one fresh out of the crate.

Good luck

Rick
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#1761126 - 09/28/11 01:45 PM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: Rickster]
JohnSprung Offline
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Registered: 08/02/11
Posts: 504
Loc: Reseda, California
Around here, floor models do get kept in tune, but they don't get played to death. They probably get fewer keystrokes per month than one in the home of someone who plays. I'd say it's a plus, go for it.
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#1761205 - 09/28/11 04:26 PM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: 8track]
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Maybe take a holiday to Europe smile Plenty of piano dealers there.
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#1761232 - 09/28/11 05:29 PM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: wouter79]
8track Offline
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Registered: 09/21/11
Posts: 6
Loc: Texas
Well, I know you're probably kidding, but since I'm not in a hurry, I plan to seek out pianos when I travel over the next month or two. Problem is, I'm likely to be in a better mood away from the office and automatically will like something better in San Francisco than I would in Houston.

Another challenge is satisfying four people in the house. The kids play, but I pay! I'll have final "say-so" but I want them to love it, too!

The more I think about it - this all seems next to impossible. Maybe I'll keep the ol' Outtatuhn and spend my money on a Corvette (down payment)...That's what I'm looking for - a piano that gets under my skin. Is that possible on a C/RX-type budget?

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#1761329 - 09/28/11 08:36 PM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: 8track]
JohnSprung Offline
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Registered: 08/02/11
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Loc: Reseda, California
Will you get to the LA area? There are lots of places to check out here.
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#1761351 - 09/28/11 09:40 PM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: 8track]
Rickster Offline
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Registered: 03/25/06
Posts: 6030
Loc: Georgia
Go where the money is...

Here in Georgia, north Atlanta is the highest income area in the state... that's where most of the piano stores are. Cooper pianos is right next door to the new Steinway dealer, Steinway Piano Galleries... I've been to both stores; nice folks.

New York City... another high income area, for the most part, with Wall Street and all. Lots of piano stores there too.

Happy hunting!

Rick
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#1761472 - 09/29/11 02:19 AM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: Rickster]
JohnSprung Offline
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Registered: 08/02/11
Posts: 504
Loc: Reseda, California
Interesting -- Out here a lot are in the valley, where land is cheaper, and they have large warehouses, like Past Perfect, and Hollywood Piano. With the entertainment industry, they're more geared for working musicians than the rich.
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#1761493 - 09/29/11 03:25 AM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: JohnSprung]
8track Offline
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Registered: 09/21/11
Posts: 6
Loc: Texas
I never really considered looking for an area - no matter how far - where there might be an unusual concentration of dealers. An obvious thought, I suppose, but my paradigm has been to find a piano locally, or at least in TX. It's potentially a lifelong investment, so I can talk myself into some added time/travel/expense, I suppose. NY? LA? of course, if I go too crazy traveling and searching I could spend enough to have bought the Steinway my daughter likes.

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#1761552 - 09/29/11 07:58 AM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: 8track]
Rickster Offline
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Registered: 03/25/06
Posts: 6030
Loc: Georgia
I talked to one dealer who said he had a customer who traded pianos about every two years... like clock work. I was interested in one of the "traded in" pianos when he told me the story... of course, it could have been just a sales pitch. wink

Rick
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#1761972 - 09/29/11 10:23 PM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: 8track]
Annitenth Offline
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Registered: 12/27/08
Posts: 257
Loc: Texas
8track, I just PM'd you.
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#1762492 - 09/30/11 06:43 PM Re: Where are all the grand pianos? [Re: 8track]
8track Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 09/21/11
Posts: 6
Loc: Texas
Sounds like great fun (?) to trade pianos frequently, but it seems like an awfully expensive way to pursue your music.

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