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#1763224 - 10/02/11 06:04 AM How to read this music
Carldee Offline
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Registered: 03/16/09
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Hello, friends, Americans, countrymen,I come here to bury the following music if I don`t get your help, not to praise it.

Will appreciate help in how to read the treble first bar of J S Bach Prelude XVII Book 2. The quavers are not under each other but offset and have different bars joining them, are they played as a chord or was Johan Sebastian under the influence of the Rhine`s juice of the grape?, that is how I read all music when I`m under the influence but it is 7am and all I had is a cup of tea.

I`m stuck in this prelude even before I murder the first note....

Thank you

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#1763234 - 10/02/11 07:09 AM Re: How to read this music [Re: Carldee]
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Play them as a chord. The separate stems and beams are just to indicate the voicing.

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#1763243 - 10/02/11 07:51 AM Re: How to read this music [Re: Carldee]
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There was a post in PW a couple of years ago about notation possibly from Bach's time, where the notes were literally offset (not just stems facing different ways for voicing). It had to do with having those voices coming in milliseconds before or after each other and there was reasoning behind it. The article also talked about the mathematical accuracy of this era which may not have always been considered the ideal. There were some allusions to nature, that no leaf on a tree is the same. That may be the kind of score that Carldee has come across. The post was by one of the teachers, just around the time that I joined.

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#1763259 - 10/02/11 08:46 AM Re: How to read this music [Re: Carldee]
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There are three separate voices sharing the same staff. It does not suggest a separation in the timing in this context.

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#1763272 - 10/02/11 09:16 AM Re: How to read this music [Re: Ben Crosland]
keystring Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ben Crosland
There are three separate voices sharing the same staff. It does not suggest a separation in the timing in this context.

I am talking about a particular edition which that post was talking about. Unfortunately I cannot locate the post or the off-site article that it referred to.

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#1763429 - 10/02/11 02:40 PM Re: How to read this music [Re: Carldee]
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Thank you to Ben and Keystring, all became clear now, it is just a way of writing to separate the voices, so simple and yet so difficult for the uninformed.

My edition is Tovey`s and dates from 1923 I think, but I`m not that old.

I`m sure I`ll be able to play this prelude with my toes in no time.........I always fall for it with Bach, the score looks so simple but can be a devil to learn.

carldee

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