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#1759729 - 09/26/11 02:56 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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They're included in my little note book wink Thnx

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#1759736 - 09/26/11 03:09 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Make sure you have got it Wayne,there will be tests at the end of the month.
No prizes for getting the answers correct, just punishment and humiliation for incoorect answers.lol.
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#1759750 - 09/26/11 03:26 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: Rostosky]
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Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Make sure you have got it Wayne,there will be tests at the end of the month.
No prizes for getting the answers correct, just punishment and humiliation for incoorect answers.lol.


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#1759805 - 09/26/11 04:19 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: Rostosky]
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Originally Posted By: Rostosky
Make sure you have got it Wayne,there will be tests at the end of the month.
No prizes for getting the answers correct, just punishment and humiliation for incoorect answers.lol.


... not to mention public flogging for spelling mistakes... wink
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#1759864 - 09/26/11 05:51 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Nay lad its nowt like a spelling mistake, it be yorkie. If spelling mistakes got us flogged neither Wayne nor myself would have any skin left on our backs!

Come on Wayne, lets have a recap,name the notes in Eb7 sus4 (Eb7+4) and F#9-5 (F sharp ninth diminished fifth) for a bowl of granmas biscuits.
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#1760207 - 09/27/11 05:45 AM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I've only just woke up, but here goes:

Eb7sus4 = Eb, G#, A#, C#

I really had to think about this one Rossy, so it's sort of a guess

F#9 = F#, A#, C#, E

so F#9-5 = F#, A#, C, E

If i've got this right, I want a ABF gold star!

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#1760216 - 09/27/11 06:16 AM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Hya Wayne, good morning to you...
My chord book says: Eb7sus4 = 1st Eb, 4th Ab, 5th Bb, 7th Db (Note no third) so correct!!!
( note flat rather than sharp..)

And F#9-5 = 1st F#, 3rd A#, b5th C, b7th E, 9th G# so nearly correct apart from the ninth.

Silver star awarded and title of "chordmaster general" on hold because of the ninth!

3 biscuits in post.
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#1761097 - 09/28/11 01:02 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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"Damn" I wanted gold!

One bonus though, is that after spending time studying the sheet music properly, I was able to start improvising straight off, must be because I knew exactly what i was doing, and not fiddling, figuring stuff out as I go along. In future, I'm going to approach all new pieces this way!

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#1761111 - 09/28/11 01:23 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Thats a good idea wayne, and also a good way of learning. I always check out if there are any unfamiliar chords and learn them first, and then look and see if the chords are a mirror to what is written in the score, if not, I concentrate looking at the reasons why...

This piece by Bjorg caught my eye, because Bjorg has got quite a high voice, yet the vocal line is lower than what is in the treble clef of the piano part..
So what, she sings lower than the piano part? I think not.....

I would write it all out again and slip the vocal line into the treble clef of the piano part and then add as much of that part back as was possible to play.

I guess you took this route?

Meant to say, that really boring programme "coach trip" is on the telly, like I really hate that prog..
Just need to go and do some begging on the DP forum...back in a sec.


Edited by Rostosky (09/28/11 01:24 PM)
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#1761129 - 09/28/11 01:52 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Totally agree Rossy, and I'm also trying to throw in the screaming bits, where no one on this earth can possibily understand what she's singing, (is it singing?) any how, I like these parts. I swapped pieces by the way, doing Bachelorette first! It's cool!

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#1768730 - 10/11/11 02:09 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Hope everyone's well, anychance someone could shed some light on these chords please smile


(not the Ab6, I got that one)




(EDIT: ooops I can work this one out using Rossy's earlier post - I think)

Thnx in advanced smile




Edited by wayne32yrs (10/11/11 02:12 PM)

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#1768734 - 10/11/11 02:23 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Bb9-5 = B Flat Ninth, Diminished Fifth

Bb9= Bb/D/F/Ab/C
Bb9-5= Bb/D/E/Ab/C

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#1768739 - 10/11/11 02:30 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Originally Posted By: wayne32yrs
Bb9-5 = B Flat Ninth, Diminished Fifth

Bb9= Bb/D/F/Ab/C
Bb9-5= Bb/D/E/Ab/C



You nailed the Bb9. The Bb9-5 would sound right if you played it, but I think maybe it should be written Bb/D/Fb/Ab/C. Fb rather than E, because even though it's diminished you're still referring to a fifth (B to F).
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#1768744 - 10/11/11 02:38 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Oh, thnx,

How about the C7-9

To me it reads C dominant 7 diminished 9th (but there isn't a 9th in C dominant 7)?

And the G(with the tiny o) I haven't a clue

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#1768748 - 10/11/11 02:49 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Originally Posted By: wayne32yrs
Oh, thnx,

How about the C7-9

To me it reads C dominant 7 diminished 9th (but there isn't a 9th in C dominant 7)?

And the G(with the tiny o) I haven't a clue


The G (tiny o) is diminished so that's G, Bb, Db.

C7-9 means a C7 with a flattened 9. So it will be C, E, G, Bb and Db.
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#1768749 - 10/11/11 02:49 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Oh, I'm sorry about that! I was so focused on the one I forgot about the other two, haha. The little circle means diminished. A diminished chord consists of the root, a minor 3rd and a diminished 5th. So in the example above, G diminished, it would be written G/Bb/Db.

On the C7-9, you're right. It's a C dominant 7 with a flatted 9th. So that would be written C/E/G/Bb/Db

Edit: What Andy said... I was a bit too slow.


Edited by MichaelF321 (10/11/11 02:49 PM)
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#1768752 - 10/11/11 02:50 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Do you know how to read guitar chords? That would give you an extra key (no pun intended) for unlocking these notes.

On the G° (G Diminished) chord, which is G, Bb, Db, I'm confused because the chord chart seems to throw in an extra E. What does anyone else think about the first dot on the guitar chord, which I make to add E to the chord?


Edited by PianoStudent88 (10/11/11 02:53 PM)
Edit Reason: cross-posted with the world
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#1768757 - 10/11/11 02:58 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: PianoStudent88]
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On the G° (G Diminished) chord, which is G, Bb, Db, I'm confused because the chord chart seems to throw in an extra E. What does anyone else think about the first dot on the guitar chord, which I make to add E to the chord?


Bit sloppy really, but I've seen G° used when it really is G° 7; I'm guessing that's what happened here.
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#1768760 - 10/11/11 03:00 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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You can add an E to a G diminished chord, it makes it a diminished 7th chord. It is the exception to the 7th rule. A fully diminished 7th chord has all minor 3rds (technically, G, Bb, Db, Fb). As opposed to the diminished chord with the traditional minor 7th, called either a half diminished (circle with a slash through it) or more commonly in jazz the minor 7, flat 5 chord (Gm7b5).

However, I doubt it would be voiced at the bottom of the chord like that, so in reality it was probably an editor missing the X on the first string. smile
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#1768761 - 10/11/11 03:02 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Thank you Andy Platt! Now I see. G Fully Diminished 7, so G, B, Db, Fb.

[cross-posted with Brian Lucas, who gives me more to think about.]


Edited by PianoStudent88 (10/11/11 03:04 PM)
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#1768767 - 10/11/11 03:17 PM Re: Fm7/C....Fm6/Ab...Fm7/Ab........help! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Thnx for the help guys, and for the link Pianostudent.

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