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#1769751 - 10/13/11 05:47 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bennevis]
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At present, I'm only using my Grados for 1/2 hour non-stop at a time, but I'm hoping the headband will loosen up over time and not press so much on my ear flaps. Either that, or my flaps will compress down.....
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#1769753 - 10/13/11 05:51 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bennevis]
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Try sticking your flaps down with Copydex! Seriously, they are nice things, Grados (especially the 325s as they are quite some way up the Grado range), if only the comfort factor was better. My AKGs give my ears a big gentle cuddle.
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#1769758 - 10/13/11 06:26 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bennevis]
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My AKGs do that too, which made them rather warm & sweaty during the heat wave recently. When my ear flaps need warming up again this winter, I'll probably go back to using them. Unless my flaps have compressed by then grin.
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#1769785 - 10/13/11 07:51 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bennevis]
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i have the HD 600's afer using AKG's K240's and closed Audiotechnica' m50's (both also good headphones). I can wear the open HD's much, much longer- much less ear fatigue, and the open architecture really makes you believe you are not listening through headphones. i thought the AKG's were bassier, and the Autiotechnica's more mid-upper range oriented, whereas the Sennheisers have a great balance to them. Usually i avoid higher end of anything, but these (which may not be THAT high ended) are clearly worth a premium and great for solo piano work.
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#1774551 - 10/21/11 09:06 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bfb]
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I just ordered the Sennheiser - HD598's. At half the price, hopefully they sound almost as good as the HD650's and HD600's some of you have on here.

This is a review I found of someone comaparing the 598 to the 600. http://www.headfonia.com/hd600-and-hd598-comparison/ Can anyone who has listened to both confirm what the reviewer hears?


Edited by Kona_V-Piano (10/21/11 09:25 AM)
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#1786848 - 11/11/11 01:40 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: Kona_V-Piano]
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Hi Kona_V-Piano, bennevis, and, everyone else:

I now can officially announce that I received my V-Piano as of Thursday, Nov. 10th, 2011, and, it arrived in perfect condition after much concern regarding the free UPS shipping. You can read the other details about the purchase in the Digital Piano "Prices Paid" list, also.

As for the acoustic grand piano-like modeled sounds, they are quite spectacular. Have only tried a few of the standard "presets," although they are all that one needs if you are looking for realistic piano sounds.

This is the one that you can truly play...

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#1786857 - 11/11/11 02:09 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: pv88]
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Congratulations, PV, I don't expect we'll hear much from you for a while. When you need to come up for a breather, perhaps put pen to proverbial paper, and give us your more deeply considered impressions.

Jonathan

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#1786860 - 11/11/11 02:24 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bennevis]
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Congrats indeed pv88!

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#1786866 - 11/11/11 02:51 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: Kawai James]
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Hi James, and, 10fingers:

Didn't really think that I would receive very many replies to my announcement, but I am truly grateful for yours!

Will probably take a while to settle in with the V-Piano, and, have to get some decent audio cables before I can make any recordings, etc.*

Other than that, the V sounds great at first hearing.

*And, a piano stand for scores, as well.

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#1786886 - 11/11/11 04:22 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bennevis]
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Congratulations. Long wait. How are you listening to it though?

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#1786888 - 11/11/11 04:25 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bennevis]
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Congratulations! I've heard some of your playing and all I can say is that it must be a great feeling having the talent to really make the most of such a fine instrument. Enjoy!

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#1786898 - 11/11/11 04:47 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: sullivang]
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Hi Greg, and, spanishbuddha:

Thanks, and, currently I do my listening through headphones only as all I have to use are an old cheap $20 pair from Radio Shack. Will be getting better ones as money allows in the future.

I am so terribly broke now (after buying the piano) that I will be lucky to obtain just the music stand I need out of necessity, for scores.

Have to try and get one thing at a time, as very good high quality monitors will be the last step.

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#1786901 - 11/11/11 04:58 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bennevis]
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Great for you, pv88, that after waiting such a long time you've finally got that beast into your home. I hope you'll eventually post some recordings here that will give everyone something of the experience that you get from playing it yourself.
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#1786905 - 11/11/11 05:10 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bennevis]
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Hi bennevis,

And, a "beast" it is, as the unbridled sonorities that are possible are something that can't be calculated clinically by the player, only performed and heard.

I don't claim to be Vladimir Horowitz (as no one can pretend to be someone they are not) although I know what I want from a piano, and this one is it.

The dynamic range of the V is really incredible, so much so that one can play extraordinarily well, even in simple pieces!

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#1786907 - 11/11/11 05:15 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: pv88]
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Originally Posted By: pv88
...currently I do my listening through headphones only as all I have to use are an old cheap $20 pair from Radio Shack. Will be getting better ones as money allows in the future.


And it sounds "spectacular" you say?

Congrats on the new arrival but nothing, not even a V-Piano, will sound spectacular through $20 Radio Shack 'phones!
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#1786911 - 11/11/11 05:56 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: pv88]
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Hi bennevis,

And, a "beast" it is, as the unbridled sonorities that are possible are something that can't be calculated clinically by the player, only performed and heard.

I don't claim to be Vladimir Horowitz (as no one can pretend to be someone they are not) although I know what I want from a piano, and this one is it.

The dynamic range of the V is really incredible, so much so that one can play extraordinarily well, even in simple pieces!


Yes, one of the many things about the V-Piano that impressed me is that you can actually get an ugly sound out of it (or 'going through its tone'), just like you can on any acoustic but impossible on sampled DPs because the sampling only goes so far and no further. Horowitz (and in our day, Lang Lang and some of the Russian virtuosi, occasionally) used to 'bang' a lot, deliberately getting a harsh clangy sound out of his piano, to heighten the excitement in climaxes. And of course he also plays a lot of pppp - and you can do that on the V-Piano to a greater extent than sampled DPs. I've yet to reach the V-Piano's limit at ffff.......
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#1787160 - 11/11/11 04:29 PM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
Yes, one of the many things about the V-Piano that impressed me is that you can actually get an ugly sound out of it (or 'going through its tone'), just like you can on any acoustic but impossible on sampled DPs because the sampling only goes so far and no further. Horowitz (and in our day, Lang Lang and some of the Russian virtuosi, occasionally) used to 'bang' a lot, deliberately getting a harsh clangy sound out of his piano, to heighten the excitement in climaxes. And of course he also plays a lot of pppp - and you can do that on the V-Piano to a greater extent than sampled DPs. I've yet to reach the V-Piano's limit at ffff.......


This is one of the reasons I acquired the V-Piano... have to agree, 100%.

And, as always, thanks for your insightful comments.

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#1796941 - 11/27/11 10:50 PM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: pv88]
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First three recordings, from the V-Piano:

I am using only a single stereo cable from the V-Piano's headphone jack over to my Mac mini computer (using a 1/4 to 1/8 adapter to fit the Mac's line in jack), and, the software used for the recording is Audacity. Since there is only one headphone jack on the V, have to listen to my playing through the software and not directly from the V-Piano. Could adjust the volume levels for the playing only after the record button had been clicked on, which starts the recording process. Decided that this was the easiest way to record off of the V, after having tried two separate mono cables from the line out jacks in the back, which didn't get any sounds to the software. So, no go, with that setup. The single stereo cable from the V's headphone jack simplifies everything quite well, and, it works!

The piano was recorded with all of the default settings, using the "Vintage Piano 1" preset, as no other changes were made. Played only a few bars from the opening of Chopin's Scherzo No. 2, as the first test. Even with only the basic default settings this piece comes alive, and, the dynamics in the playing are very clear:

1) http://www.box.com/s/h9xfvm44ibq35n2z9i23

Have now added my first complete piece, here:

2) http://www.box.com/s/zvdmxvz6p2q8aucui8mh

Again, with the "Vintage Piano 1" preset.

Had to compensate a bit with the overall volume level on the V-Piano, as it had to be just loud enough so that I could hear all of the dynamics as I was playing, even though this piece is pretty much "p" to "pp" throughout. Only in the middle section does it go to perhaps "mf" briefly, with the swelling arpeggio. This recording will probably give the impression of being right inside the piano lid, just as it would with a very close microphone placement on an acoustic grand, etc.

And, my inspiration for playing the "Moonlight" sonata has always been the Columbia recording by the now legendary Rudolf Serkin, from the 1960's. The tempo I have taken is somewhat slow (like Serkin's), yet it still has to remain flowing from the very first note to the last, without exception.

The third recording below is Gabriela Montero's improvisation piece, in which I use the "Silver Extreme" preset:

3) http://www.box.com/s/5i5n1xv3yfi0gzoiid2m

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#1797031 - 11/28/11 06:07 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bennevis]
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Thanks for posting. I enjoyed your playing.

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#1797034 - 11/28/11 06:17 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bennevis]
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Glad to finally hear you playing your long awaited v-piano, after making us all wait with you smile Great stuff.

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#1797196 - 11/28/11 01:24 PM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: pv88]
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pv88,
I really like your playing of the Moonlight!

You playing really shows what a great musical instrument this is. ("musical instrument" - as you can tell it's not an AP, but - who cares?)
Although most of the dynamic range is centered around p - pp, bass, arpeggio and melody are on different levels (I like the singing quality of the upper melody) and there is still plenty of dynamic and timbrical room and variety for the phrasing of each one of them.
In my experience the V is the only non acoustic piano that allows this kind of subtlety of expression.

Very, very well done.
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#1797352 - 11/28/11 05:09 PM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bennevis]
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pv88, congratulations on getting your new instrument.

I have to say that I am very envious of your talent and the V-Piano sounds really good straight out of the box, even with such a low recording level. I fear I am beginning to suffer from another bout of piano envy.

I know how much better the V-Piano can sound once you have played around with tuning and some of the other changes suggested in this thread so I hope to hear more of your recordings as you get to grips with tweaking it to your liking.

I would also very much like to hear more from you based on some of the presets provided by bennevis and others here. Does the V-Piano have a digital output? It might be the easiest way to make recordings if your soundcard has a digital input.

I would like to hear a pure digital to digital recording from the V-Piano as I wonder if the so-called Roland sound has more to do with the same family of amplification and audio circuitry in their pianos than the actual modelling process.

Once again, congratulations and I hope you enjoy your piano for many years to come.

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#1797457 - 11/28/11 08:33 PM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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To everyone's replies:

I certainly do appreciate all of the kind comments regarding the recordings, as this is what I enjoy doing the most, and, that is...
to play.

Also, will be posting a few Christmas favorites, shortly.

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#1797561 - 11/28/11 11:23 PM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: pv88]
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Christmas tunes, at the V-Piano:

1) Silent Night / O Little Town of Bethlehem / O Come, O Come, Emmanuel

http://www.box.com/s/k7roebxvrxg3llimcok1

2) Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas / The Christmas Song

http://www.box.com/s/qeeo31d5d6qk4nv6zu3k

3) O Come, All Ye Faithful + Joyful, Joyful, We Adore Thee ("Ode to Joy" from Beethoven's Symphony No. 9) medley

This is an advanced concert arrangement, which highlights the resonant bass range of the V-Piano, using the "Triple Large" preset.

http://www.box.com/s/0rc55lvaikkau5xirm26

4) Christmas Time is Here, from "A Charlie Brown Christmas"

Everyone should know (or, become acquainted with) Vince Guaraldi's piece as it is a true jazz classic.

http://www.box.com/s/lfj365qqpols4ni1n1au

Hope everyone has a nice holiday season!

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#1797588 - 11/29/11 01:14 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bennevis]
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Hi PV,

I have been really enjoying both your playing and the sound of the V-Piano. Thanks for sharing with us,

Jonathan

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#1798025 - 11/29/11 09:55 PM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: 10fingers]
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Extra note:

Thought that I would continue adding new recordings into the original posts above, so that they are all in the same place for listening, etc.

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#1798184 - 11/30/11 05:53 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bennevis]
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Hi pv88, finally managed to hear your recordings - they are at very low level (at least as heard through the computer I'm using) but the piano sounds are similar to what I hear on my V-Piano, i.e. very life-like, and your playing is great.

Maybe you can try using your own customizations with more of your recordings, so people can hear what can be achieved.
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#1798190 - 11/30/11 06:36 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: bennevis]
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Thanks for the great demos pv88. The bass notes sound fantastic, as usual. If they ever get the middle registers to sound as good, watch out! smile Even now, though, I find that the middle registers have an endearing quality, even though it doesn't sound all that authentic. Lovely playing as usual too! smile

Can the amount of hammer thud sound be varied on the V-Piano? If so, I'd be curious to hear some recordings with more thud - particularly in the middle registers.

The recording level is a bit low, yes. The easiest way around that for listeners is to use a player that allows the volume to be increased above 100%. I.e - a player that is able to apply gain to the digital audio. The equalizer in iTunes allows this. Another player that can do this is the VLC player. I'd rather the level be low and clean, though, than high with clipping.

Greg.


Edited by sullivang (11/30/11 06:40 AM)
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#1798192 - 11/30/11 06:55 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: sullivang]
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Originally Posted By: sullivang
Thanks for the great demos pv88. The bass notes sound fantastic, as usual.


Yes, the bass is excellent.........
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#1798197 - 11/30/11 07:00 AM Re: V-Piano presets exchange! How many piano sounds can you get? [Re: sullivang]
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Originally Posted By: sullivang
Thanks for the great demos pv88. The bass notes sound fantastic, as usual. If they ever get the middle registers to sound as good, watch out! smile Even now, though, I find that the middle registers have an endearing quality, even though it doesn't sound all that authentic. Lovely playing as usual too! smile

Can the amount of hammer thud sound be varied on the V-Piano? If so, I'd be curious to hear some recordings with more thud - particularly in the middle registers.

The recording level is a bit low, yes. The easiest way around that for listeners is to use a player that allows the volume to be increased above 100%. I.e - a player that is able to apply gain to the digital audio. The equalizer in iTunes allows this. Another player that can do this is the VLC player. I'd rather the level be low and clean, though, than high with clipping.

Greg.


There is customization available for 'hammer' which gives the thud sound you mentioned. In fact, there's hardly anything that can't be changed in the piano sounds. Even pedal noise, for those that like the sound of them.....
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