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#1774477 - 10/21/11 03:06 AM Re: Magic timer for young students who misbehave or drift [Re: luvs2teach]
Gary D. Offline
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Originally Posted By: luvs2teach
But by and large, young children (ages 4-6) like to, and need to, get off the bench.

That feels about right. In general my young students seem to transition between six and seven. It is very rare that my students younger than seven take lessons by themselves. At that age I work very hard with a parent to make sure that what happens in lessons can be duplicated, as closely as possible, at home.

I'm on one side, the parent is on the other. We use long colored straws (for pointers), and we change things up quickly. 10 minutes max new things (always playing with the aid of a keyboard chart), 10 minutes on things that are more comfortable, last 10 minutes on whatever they decide are "their favorites".

By around seven almost all of them not only are able to take lessons without the parent but usually ask to do so, and if we have been successful, by that time it becomes very hard for the parent to keep up, which is as it should be. smile
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#1774478 - 10/21/11 03:11 AM Re: Magic timer for young students who misbehave or drift [Re: Minniemay]
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Originally Posted By: Minniemay
Oh, please. Child psychology and learning theory is all about generalizations. They are based on average behaviors. Of course there are variations. Every child has some variation. You think I over-generalize. I think you nitpick.

Opinion noted. See my updated signature...
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#1774480 - 10/21/11 03:25 AM Re: Magic timer for young students who misbehave or drift [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs

Gary you scoundrel! There, you're at it again, making us question our assumptions. If you don't start towing the line, you'll be on second triangle in the 'music is fun' ensemble.

laugh

Just out of interest, what age did you start lessons at?

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Actually, I was a late starter at eight, but only because my family could not afford an instrument. I sang, on pitch, about the time I began to speak. I had a tiny record player for very little kids before age 5. Long before I started lessons I was listening to recordings. By age of seven I was fascinated by Finlandia, the Tchaikovsky 4th Symphony, a couple Wagner overtures and the Beethoven 5th Symphony, Toscanini conducting.

That was why I bombed out in 6th grade general music class. They were doing: "The violin's singing, like lov uv uv ly ee ringing", with the no-pitch students trying to sing "the horn, the horn, it wakes me at dawn"--all on one pitch. Then there was "the clarinet, the clarinet, goes doodle doodle doodle doodeldet." I immediately memorized each part, which I am hearing now as I type this, could have sung all of them, but I shrunk away, cringing at the cacaphony. laugh


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#1774702 - 10/21/11 02:58 PM Re: Magic timer for young students who misbehave or drift [Re: Minniemay]
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Originally Posted By: Minniemay
Child psychology and learning theory is all about generalizations. They are based on average behaviors. Of course there are variations. Every child has some variation.

Minniemay, when I wrote that something seems amiss, I was referring to the impression that you were saying that there is only one cause, one persona to an age group, and therefore only one solution. This cannot have been what you meant, and that is what seemed amiss.

Child psychology and learning theory give broad outlines, but they usually include more than one viewpoint and approach. They also stress variety and the need to observe. What we see too often in education is someone getting a theory or formula, and applying it willy nilly everywhere instead of looking deeply into the particular problem. I'd hate for someone to go "Aha - young kids have to get off the bench - check!" when maybe something else is going on. It's the apparent exclusiveness - one solution - that makes me uneasy. The Internet forces us to write briefly so we don't always give the whole picture. Is that how you meant it?

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#1774705 - 10/21/11 03:02 PM Re: Magic timer for young students who misbehave or drift [Re: Gary D.]
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Originally Posted By: Gary D.

I had a tiny record player for very little kids before age 5. Long before I started lessons I was listening to recordings.



The wind-up one with the little plastic records, and you could see the grooves in the tracks? I always wanted one of those...
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#1774729 - 10/21/11 04:01 PM Re: Magic timer for young students who misbehave or drift [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
Originally Posted By: Gary D.

I had a tiny record player for very little kids before age 5. Long before I started lessons I was listening to recordings.



The wind-up one with the little plastic records, and you could see the grooves in the tracks? I always wanted one of those...

I think that's what it was! I don't remember the wind up part, but I do remember colored records. smile
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#1774732 - 10/21/11 04:08 PM Re: Magic timer for young students who misbehave or drift [Re: keystring]
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Originally Posted By: keystring
The Internet forces us to write briefly so we don't always give the whole picture. Is that how you meant it?

That's why we have such discussion forums. We get to discuss different aspects of the same thing. I think that's helpful, especially when we get opposing views.
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#1775011 - 10/22/11 05:31 AM Re: Magic timer for young students who misbehave or drift [Re: Gary D.]
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Originally Posted By: Gary D.

I think that's what it was! I don't remember the wind up part, but I do remember colored records. smile


Maybe it had batteries? I think it was Fisher Price.
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#1775218 - 10/22/11 03:38 PM Re: Magic timer for young students who misbehave or drift [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
Originally Posted By: Gary D.

I think that's what it was! I don't remember the wind up part, but I do remember colored records. smile


Maybe it had batteries? I think it was Fisher Price.

They were wind up Fisher Price. Up until about a year ago I still had mine.
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#1775224 - 10/22/11 03:43 PM Re: Magic timer for young students who misbehave or drift [Re: melodian]
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Hehehe . . . I had one of those, too!
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