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#1775819 - 10/23/11 05:53 PM hi! i'm new. help for resolving strange sounds??
euge95 Offline
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Registered: 10/20/11
Posts: 11
Loc: rome, italy
hi, i'm from italy(rome) i just bought a new piano(that is used).
before i had a rippen, and the sound was quite good, but the entire action and hammers and tuning(lasted 15 seconds) were dieing, reparing them costs more than buying a new, so i bought a new!
the seller seemed very nice to me, i played for a while(3 years) and i played a bit inside the rippen, and he sold to me a kawai kd-8e that was similar to K-8 and was built in 1986(checked). everything is near to new, when opened is really like new, it seemed that it was used always in silent, and the strings are all original and of a good color(like new).
now: after about a month the sound is becoming more powerful and bright, like the seller said, and i like it. the tunig is loosing a bit, but really a bit, isn't that noticeble, so first i want to understand the strange sounds.
i found that the lock of the piano(that i haven't the key...) vibrates when i play the Eb: do you prefer putting some paper, or something else?
the mirror near the piano vibrates to!
now apart from all these things that should be removed, when i play the very low D(the lowest) it seemes that toghether with the low D it plays also to highest D(like double sound, one sound after the other... don't know) i tried to move a bit the piano from the wall, and also tried to see if the big string vibrates in the lower part(between the bridge and the end) but nothing. it just sounds like two notes.
also i think that the d just above doesn't sound as loud as the nearer key. are these all voicing problems?

also i hear some sounds like clicks on some notes, when pressed very powerfully and in a particular way(fast, and powerfully)
also i'm trying to register something, i don't know the best place to put the microphone, and the best i did was that(i know i did it a bit slow, i can play better than this, but.. the recording...):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP2hWEpHpiM&feature=feedu

and yes, how do you clean all that dirt that keeps going on the piano?

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#1775835 - 10/23/11 06:33 PM Re: hi! i'm new. help for resolving strange sounds?? [Re: euge95]
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Welcome to the forums, euge! smile

The problem with the low D could be a voicing problem, but I can't be sure. The very high D is a harmonic that seems especially strong.

Does the click happen when the key goes down, hits the bottom, or when it comes up?


Edited by Rotom (10/23/11 06:34 PM)

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#1775898 - 10/23/11 08:24 PM Re: hi! i'm new. help for resolving strange sounds?? [Re: euge95]
Rickster Offline
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Sounds like you need a highly skilled piano technician to help you solve your problems.

Your playing on the YT video was good... however, there was no video, only your playing... :-)

Weclome to the PW forums!

Rick
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#1775908 - 10/23/11 08:45 PM Re: hi! i'm new. help for resolving strange sounds?? [Re: euge95]
Rich Galassini Offline
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Lei vive in Roma? Mia famiglia ha l'azienda vinicola di Galassini nella regione di Lazio!

I am sorry for my sloppy Italian.

Everything you have described here could be a normal part of the piano settling in after delivery. I suggest having a piano technician come by and service the piano. All of your complaints may disappear, except for the lock.

Piano locks can vibrate because they have metal parts that can make contact with other metal parts. I could fix the lock vibration permanently, but it could no longer be used if i used my "permanent fix".

Good luck! I think you have a nice piano.
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#1776103 - 10/24/11 08:34 AM Re: hi! i'm new. help for resolving strange sounds?? [Re: euge95]
euge95 Offline
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Registered: 10/20/11
Posts: 11
Loc: rome, italy
yes i think that a permanent fix will be good, because i haven't got the key to use it, so it's just there for beauty.
the seller will give me a free tuning when i need it, i think i will let the piano settle another month and then get a good tuning.
the click happens if you hear carefully, and when it touches the bottom when you play powerfully. i first tought it was a some feltros that was consumed, but when the seller opened it like he said, you won't see anything, because it was just completely straight and like new, nothing that touches and nothing that seemed different from the other keys.

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#1776358 - 10/24/11 04:20 PM Re: hi! i'm new. help for resolving strange sounds?? [Re: euge95]
JohnSprung Offline
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Registered: 08/02/11
Posts: 3075
Loc: Reseda, California
I'd take the lock apart, put the parts in a little plastic bag, and keep them in the bench. The noise is gone, and you can always put it back if you change your mind.

The click will take some careful investigation, perhaps removing the action.
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#1776659 - 10/25/11 12:11 AM Re: hi! i'm new. help for resolving strange sounds?? [Re: euge95]
rXd Offline
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Registered: 03/11/09
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Most things you mentioned have been addressed. The mirror rattle is a sympathetic vibration. The problem is with the mirror, not the piano. Any sound source at that frequency will make the mirror buzz or rattle if it is loud enough.

The clicks in the action are most likely slightly loose screws. This is to be expected in a piano after a few years. its cure is a part of standard maintenance. In a piano so relatively new it is not likely to be anything more serious. Leave this for your tech when you have the piano tuned in a few weeks. The action parts are aligned as they are tightened. This takes some experience.

It's my guess you have black piano. They show the slightest dust. There are products that help you wipe off the dust without scratching the finish. Your piano dealer can recomend what is available in your area.
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#1811851 - 12/24/11 01:58 PM Re: hi! i'm new. help for resolving strange sounds?? [Re: euge95]
euge95 Offline
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Registered: 10/20/11
Posts: 11
Loc: rome, italy
hi! after exploring a bit more the piano finallly i'm starting to understand some things....
there is a new problem on the lower A(the second from left). it makes a strange sound. i still havent asked the tuner to come for the first time, i'm planning to do it in the new year.
looking at the strings it seems that one of the two strings vibrates a lot more than the other. stopping by hand the string that vibrates more(the right one) the strange sound is gone. but stopping only the left string doesn't resolve the problem, i first tought that it was that the two strings are tuned bad, but after that i don't know what's the problem. the two strings are identical, and surely original.
the problem comes also when i play the third A(the next one) with pedal.
is that a tuning or a voicing problem or something else?

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#1811872 - 12/24/11 02:50 PM Re: hi! i'm new. help for resolving strange sounds?? [Re: euge95]
Rickster Offline
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Hi euge95, and welcome to the Piano World forums!

I'm afraid we would have to actually hear the issue you are refering to... several things could cause a problem such as you describe.

Happy Holidays!

Rick
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#1811905 - 12/24/11 03:42 PM Re: hi! i'm new. help for resolving strange sounds?? [Re: Rickster]
euge95 Offline
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Registered: 10/20/11
Posts: 11
Loc: rome, italy
i just registred the sound.

the first note is the one that has the problem, is the second A from left.
the i played some other notes, the upper octave, then other As

the all the C(i think) and some D(i think)

http://www.4shared.com/mp3/1zC0O19k/strange_sound.html

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#1812060 - 12/24/11 10:55 PM Re: hi! i'm new. help for resolving strange sounds?? [Re: euge95]
Rickster Offline
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Loc: Georgia, USA
I'm not a trained pinao tech, but it sounds to me like some extra-fine tuning with a little strategic needling of the hammer would take care of your problem.

Suggest that to your tech/tuner next time he/she's there.

The tone of your piano sounded good, what few notes I heard.

Good luck!

Rick
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