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#1789072 - 11/14/11 09:16 PM Independent pedal usage
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#1789075 - 11/14/11 09:24 PM Re: Triple (or, independent) pedal placement [Re: pv88]
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Many thanks for this. I think I will file under the heading "bleedin' obvious". If you have any other insightful nuggets to share such as your revelation that breathing in is invariably useful after breathing out do please let us know.
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#1789091 - 11/14/11 09:35 PM Re: Triple (or, independent) pedal placement [Re: pv88]
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The harshness
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#1789092 - 11/14/11 09:37 PM Re: Triple (or, independent) pedal placement [Re: pv88]
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#1789096 - 11/14/11 09:40 PM Re: Triple (or, independent) pedal placement [Re: LesCharles73]
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Originally Posted By: LesCharles73
The harshness


I know. Bad day. And I am a little bit sorry.

But still, I think we should acknowledge the wisdom on offer...the middle pedal is in the, wait for it, yes, the MIDDLE OF THE PIANO!! Amazing ain't it!?

And now he's gone and deleted his post and changed the title of the thread. How will people find the best placement for their pedals now? I suppose they could just put them somewhere near their feet - but this would be risky.


Edited by EssBrace (11/14/11 09:46 PM)
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#1789130 - 11/14/11 10:12 PM Re: Independent pedal usage [Re: pv88]
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Ha, ha, ha... very funny comments, as usual.

Don't follow my advice and see what happens 10 years down the road when your back starts acting up to where you can't bend over to tie your own shoe laces, and, you have lost both arms/hands due to carpal tunnel or focal dystonia.

Can't run back to mommy then, can you?

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#1789205 - 11/14/11 11:09 PM Re: Independent pedal usage [Re: pv88]
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I don't know what is happening here, but the OP sounds like it was interesting.

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#1789215 - 11/14/11 11:36 PM Re: Independent pedal usage [Re: pv88]
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I hope PV88 reposts his original topic. While the middle pedal does in fact reside under the center of the piano, few people are aware of how far back from the keys it should be. I have wondered on occasion how far offset my sustain pedal should be, as it's the only thing I use (minus an occasional expression pedal). I understand that EssBrace had a bad day but I can also wrap my mind around the fact that the deleted information could be useful for a beginner or long-time digital-only player.


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#1789238 - 11/15/11 12:27 AM Re: Independent pedal usage [Re: LesCharles73]
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Originally Posted By: LesCharles73
I hope PV88 reposts his original topic. While the middle pedal does in fact reside under the center of the piano, few people are aware of how far back from the keys it should be. I have wondered on occasion how far offset my sustain pedal should be, as it's the only thing I use (minus an occasional expression pedal). I understand that EssBrace had a bad day but I can also wrap my mind around the fact that the deleted information could be useful for a beginner or long-time digital-only player.


These are approximate measurements, because it's after 11 pm CST and I don't own a plumb bob.

On a 2005 Steinway B, from the center (back) of the sostenuto to the center (back) of the sustain pedal, the measurement is approximately 2 3/8 inches. But the front of the sustain pedal flares out. So, from the center (front) of the sostenuto to the center (front) of the sustain, the measurement is approximately 3 1/4 inches.

The front of the sustain pedal sets back approximately 10 inches from the front edge of the white keys.
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#1789243 - 11/15/11 12:46 AM Re: Independent pedal usage [Re: LesCharles73]
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@LesCharles73:

Here is a summary, regarding the pedals...*

1) Distance of pedals with a triple pedal box:

Average distance from the front edge of piano to the front tip of the middle pedal should be between 8 and 10 inches, as various makes of acoustic grands may vary slightly from one model to another. Nine (9) inches would mark the average standard distance.

You can set the correct distance by laying a yard stick (or, ruler) to the front tip of your pedal, then look down vertically just beyond the front edge of the piano to see the 9 inch mark. Move your pedal/ruler until matched up.

2) Left/right placement of a triple pedal box:

Since the center of any 88-note piano or keyboard is the "space" between the two notes E and F above middle C, the middle pedal of any triple pedal box should be in exact alignment with this space.

You can stand at a slight distance from your piano with your eyes set on the two notes E and F (above middle C), and, look down to align your middle pedal with the space between those two notes.

*Now, if you are only using an independent sustain pedal, then you can align the pedal with the space between notes B and C, which are one octave higher than middle C.

Extra note:

It is always best to keep your pedal (or, pedals) at the standard distance and then adjust your own sitting habits with the bench, until you find the most comfortable position for playing.

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#1789311 - 11/15/11 06:31 AM Re: Independent pedal usage [Re: pv88]
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But you didn't say anything about the average AP distance from the front of the keys to the front of the pedals in your original post. So where have you got this figure from now?

In your original post you said in your lengthy essay that the relevant distance on your Casio was 7". Then you said the middle pedal, was, er, in the middle (from left to right).

I take it you are trying to establish the optimum placement for your V-Piano pedals? The advantage these pedals have is that you can compensate for your own physiology - short legs, long legs, longer arms requiring a more distant seating position etc etc. What is comfortable will be what is right.
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