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#1666948 - 04/26/11 02:35 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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Undone,
I think you may have identified my problem. For too many years I've been satisfied with "bungling through" a piece.
And unfortunately, most of the occasional teachers I thought I could afford were happy to let me be satisfied with that.
But now I find I've been "studying forever" and still can't play a single piece--not without mistakes, anyway. Even the one time I played in a recital I bungled it. I couple years ago I even started over in book one and bungled that! But I was bungling through so successfully that in due course I find myself in book 3!

So I guess I'm back to the fundamental question. What makes the difference between being able to play a measure or phrase and being able to play a piece? I guess this isn't really a "book 3" question, but it seems to me the issue always comes up in book 3, because that's where I start having trouble with the phrases. I think it may be shifting hand positions or something like that that I never quite get. Or maybe it's maintaining concentration for an extended duration--"book 3" may be where they start to get longer.

In any event, there's no part of "Super Special Sort of Song" that I can't play,
but somehow I can't ever put the whole thing together.
I'm starting to feel like Bertie in "The King's Speech"--there's no way I'm ever going to get through a whole song!
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#1667018 - 04/26/11 05:00 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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Hi Tinman 1943,

That piece of music is a bit tricky. It's ( i think) one of those written by Palmer that is just gives what is needed for that particular type of accompliment. I have gone back to it and have used it for the occasional filler pieces... no I don't play regularly, pieces of music that the average person listening to it, thinks it's classical.

Book three does require a bit more concentration and as my piano instructor told me when I begun pieces such as "Toccatta", Moonlight Sonata", that these are the actual pieces, nothing cut down. And I find that when i am sight reading other musical selections, away from book 3, that I find myself using the techniques from that series.

Yes, you will get through an entire song, even if it takes months. I finally got "Toccatta" down but when I went back to play it, i had forgotten some. It came back.. I have been working on "moonlight Sonata for two Christmases and I am finally getting close to the end page. It has taken time and it will take time.

Also, I am glad to see this thread continuing! This is the first time in a few weeks that I have been able to come to this site because work intervenes (smile). Good luck, take it slow and don't give up!
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#1667311 - 04/27/11 07:13 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: tinman1943]
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Originally Posted By: tinman1943
So I guess I'm back to the fundamental question. What makes the difference between being able to play a measure or phrase and being able to play a piece?


Like piano4 says, “Yes, you will get through an entire song”, it’s just a matter of setting your mind to it. What has worked for me, but is obviously not for everyone, is to get a good recording of the piece before I consider it “finished”. I’ve done this with every piece in all three Alfred books. Now what constitutes a “good recording”? Well, it’s not necessarily one without errors (wrong notes), though that’s what I shoot for. It’s more like “a recording that I would be willing to share with people here in the ABF without feeling too embarrassed about my playing”.

When I was working on book 2 there was a small group of us that kept posting our recordings of some the pieces and providing support/incentive to one another. That helped me a great deal in “not moving on too soon”. The main thing is to remember that it’s not a race, and that there is no finish line. Completing work in a method book may be a mile stone, but you’re never done, so you might as well just go at whatever pace is right for you and enjoy the ride.

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#1667701 - 04/27/11 10:09 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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Thanks, all, for the encouragement!
I did slow it down quite a bit and now I can almost get through it without wrong notes or stutters.
So I think it's coming along. Back in Book 2, Bridal Chorus is pretty solid. I may be about ready to turn the page. So now I need to get one of those digital recorders so I can upload. Or can I use MIDI? Or make a YouTube video--can I do that with a Blackberry? All my cameras and audio equipment is analog!

Meanwhile, my piano instructor (using a different method) has assigned us the Bach Prelude 1.
It doesn't look so hard, really--just a couple left-hand notes and a right hand 3-note chord--but it offers the same challenge as Sorta Song--repetitions and then minor (or not so minor) variations in the next measure. I'm starting doing a couple lines at a time, at tempo 1/16 = 60 bpm, working up to 100. It seems painfully slow, but the mistakes are disappearing!
I'm actually working on a "secret weapon" for this one--if it works out, I'll post more about it!
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#1668245 - 04/28/11 09:12 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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Undone,

Congrats on finishing Level 3! You should be really proud of yourself.
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#1668403 - 04/29/11 07:03 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Cyborg]
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Undone,

Congrats on finishing Level 3! You should be really proud of yourself.


Thanks Cyborg, sometimes OCD can be a good thing. grin

Undone
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#1668486 - 04/29/11 11:04 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Undone]
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Originally Posted By: Undone
Well gang, I’m considering myself done (though I'll still use the forum name "Undone" smile ). I finished Fur Elise, the last piece I had to go in Alfred’s Book 3, this weekend. It’s not quite at “recital level” thanks to all the repeats, but there are only a few glaring “oopses” in it and most of them are problems with dynamics. I’ll continue to work on it from time to time just as I do many of the other pieces at the end of book 3, but I figure I have it down well enough to call it finished and so will move on to other “post Alfred” work.

I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I would not have made it this far if it were not for the “Alfred Adult All-In-One” threads here in ABF and all the fine people who have contributed to them and worked along with me through many of the phases of learning. A big thanks to Mark for starting them and to everyone who has contributed to them over the years!

Undone


My Man! <Denzel voice> congrats indeed! I WILL finish book #3 sometime, hopefully this year, we'll see.

So what's next??
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#1668535 - 04/29/11 12:26 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: TTigg]
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Originally Posted By: TTigg
So what's next??


That's what I'm askin'...

Congrats Undone!

JF
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#1669869 - 05/02/11 07:14 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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Thanks TTigg & JF. As for “What’s Next”; I’m first taking some time to enjoy not having my every next piece planned out for me. I have started work on another Chopin Prelude and a Vince Guaraldi piece, and I do plan to start working on one of the various “repertoire” series eventually, but first I’m going to enjoy not knowing “what’s next” for a little while. laugh

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#1670211 - 05/02/11 06:54 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Undone]
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Originally Posted By: Undone
As for “What’s Next”; I’m first taking some time to enjoy not having my every next piece planned out for me. ... I do plan to start working on one of the various “repertoire” series eventually, but first I’m going to enjoy not knowing “what’s next” for a little while. laugh

Undone


Good plan (or should I say "non-plan") smile

May I humbly suggest that you might want to consider looking into the possibility of attempting one or more of the many very delightful works of the Norwegian composer Edvard Grieg, especially those found in the collection called "The Complete Lyric Pieces for Piano", which is a compilation of the 10 sets of wonderful sound portraits totaling 66 pieces he composed over the course of his career.

An ongoing and indepth discussion of these works with some recorded examples can be found in this thread:

Grieg's Complete Lyric Pieces

They seem to be perfectly suited to your level of play and style and I think you'd enjoy them quite a bit.

JF
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#1670465 - 05/03/11 07:36 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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Thanks for the tip JF, I'll check this out.

Undone
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#1672270 - 05/05/11 09:50 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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I'm working in Book 3 again with "Dry Bones".
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#1672391 - 05/06/11 07:08 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Cyborg]
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Originally Posted By: Cyborg
I'm working in Book 3 again with "Dry Bones".


That was sort of a fun one if I recall correctly (and that’s becoming a rarity), not necessarily an easy one, but fun.

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#1673924 - 05/08/11 09:02 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Undone]
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Question about Calypso Rhumba:
On the second page, are the second ending of the middle part and the last two lines still 8va? Otherwise, the middle 2nd ending is a ti-do jump DOWN, which doesn't sound very musical.

Also, does anyone know which is the "calypso" part and which is the "rhumba"?
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#1674170 - 05/09/11 07:12 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: tinman1943]
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Originally Posted By: tinman1943
Question about Calypso Rhumba:
On the second page, are the second ending of the middle part and the last two lines still 8va? Otherwise, the middle 2nd ending is a ti-do jump DOWN, which doesn't sound very musical.

Also, does anyone know which is the "calypso" part and which is the "rhumba"?


Tinman, I don't have my music with me here now, but I'll try to remember to look at this when I get home tonight (unless someone else comes to the rescue first).

Undone
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#1674174 - 05/09/11 07:22 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Undone]
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Originally Posted By: Undone
Originally Posted By: tinman1943
Question about Calypso Rhumba:
On the second page, are the second ending of the middle part and the last two lines still 8va? Otherwise, the middle 2nd ending is a ti-do jump DOWN, which doesn't sound very musical.

Also, does anyone know which is the "calypso" part and which is the "rhumba"?


Tinman, I don't have my music with me here now, but I'll try to remember to look at this when I get home tonight (unless someone else comes to the rescue first).

Undone


Better yet, go to page one of this thread and have a listen to the YouTube recording for this piece (and check out the funky upside down piano). It sounds the way I remember it as far as the octaves go.

Undone
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#1675333 - 05/10/11 10:33 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Undone]
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Originally Posted By: Undone
That was sort of a fun one if I recall correctly (and that’s becoming a rarity), not necessarily an easy one, but fun.

Undone


It's fun but definitely a tricky piece of music.
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#1675481 - 05/11/11 07:49 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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Did you get the octaves thing worked out Tinman? I did take a look at the music when I went home that night and noticed another key point: it is marked (loco) at one point (I think it was at the beginning of the last two lines). This means to return to playing as written or “in their normal pitch”.

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#1685287 - 05/26/11 10:26 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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Oh my God... I just realized...

IN THE HALL OF THE MOUNTAIN KING ISN'T IN THE SONG LIST! AHHHH!!!!!!!

I love that song to pieces (even though I'm not there yet. D:)

But right now I'm working on the 'Classy Rag' song. Yippee.

...
...
...

I'm dying inside because of all the flats in that song.
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#1685386 - 05/27/11 06:45 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Gerit]
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Originally Posted By: Gerit
Oh my God... I just realized...

IN THE HALL OF THE MOUNTAIN KING ISN'T IN THE SONG LIST! AHHHH!!!!!!!

I love that song to pieces (even though I'm not there yet. D:)

But right now I'm working on the 'Classy Rag' song. Yippee.

...
...
...

I'm dying inside because of all the flats in that song.


Looks like you’ll have to make a recording of “In the Hall of the Mountain King” and get it into the song list! laugh

Welcome to the book 3 thread.


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#1687344 - 05/30/11 07:59 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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Congratulations Undone!
I am at the end with the one piece that I have been working on for ... let's see two years now!! Mostly, I have enjoyed playing these pieces. I went back to "Fur Elise" last night and was surprised how much I had remembered some of it. I have the chance to go back through some pieces within the book.
I'm branching out with some fifties, sixties pop music and it feels good to as you put it, "not having every piece planned".

Take care,
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#1687591 - 05/31/11 07:01 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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Thanks Piano4! Some of the pieces at in the back of the book sure do take time to learn. I figure that if I really have to work at it, I must be making some sort of progress, whereas if I can just sit down and almost site read it, I’m probably not gaining in ways other than enjoyment. So I’m going to try to have plenty of fun, but continue to keep something challenging on the back burner too.

Undone
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#1690284 - 06/04/11 07:47 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Undone]
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Whats the hardest piece on here?

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#1691248 - 06/06/11 07:24 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: clayts]
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Whats the hardest piece on here?


Hardest for who?
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#1691516 - 06/06/11 06:06 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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Key question: For me it was "Toccata" I've tried to go back to it and I have forgotten part of it... to my dismay. But, I take my time and it will come back to me eventually:-)
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#1691827 - 06/07/11 07:46 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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Toccata, Moonlight Sonata, Trumpet Tune, Fur Elise, and others all take some work. But what was the hardest for me while learning it, may not be the hardest now to “get back” and what I spent the most time on is not necessarily the hardest. As my playing ability grew while working my way through the book I was able to conquer more difficult pieces in less time than I could earlier on. People with smaller hands are going to have more difficulty with Moonlight than people that can easily accommodate the spread needed. So the “hardest piece” will probably vary from person to person. But they don’t call it the “Ambitious Selections” in the back of the book for nothing.

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#1699481 - 06/21/11 05:53 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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RE Calypso Rhumba
Undone et al: Thanks for your comments. It's been a while since I took a look at it (I've got a new teacher and we're doing something else). But I played the demo and that goes loco at p 7 second line second ending. Which doesn't sound right to me, since I'm playing 8va the measure before that (the measure before ending 1).
And I don't actually see LOCO written in the music anywhere in my edition (C) MCMXCVI.
If there is a LOCO, I'd expect it on the second beat of the second ending, leading into line 3.
So, I'm just playing the second ending and last 2 lines 8va. Sounds OK, why not? It's just that things like this can be confusing.
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#1728308 - 08/07/11 03:26 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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Hello,

I wanted to take a minute and introduce myself. Some may know me since I had been posting in the Alfred's Book Two area for a while. I finished book two about two months ago. I'm 40 and started playing the piano one year ago this month.

I'm just now starting on book three. My teacher had me learn a song in between that was in a Suzuki book she had titled Sonatina in C major, op. 36 no. 1 by Clementi. It took me about a month and a half to learn the three parts. I was so tired of that song by the end. I should start playing it once a week though because I can already tell I'll forget it.

I'm currently working on Serenade from String Quartet. The pedaling part has been driving me crazy. That changing from one finger left to finger right and then two fingers left one right has been challenging for me. It's like my brain shorts out and just keeps hitting the one key on the left.

I think that's it for now. I look forward to meeting people and getting advise from everyone here.
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#1803520 - 12/09/11 11:15 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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Time to revive this old thread!

I'm happy to say that I'm starting "The Tap Dancer" this week. It's almost time for the "ambitious" section.
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#1803652 - 12/10/11 07:20 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #3 [Re: Mark...]
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Cyborg - good to see someone finally post here in this long dormant, but always worthy, thread - good luck with "Dancer" - hope it's not another 4 months until the next reply or post.

BTW - whatever happened to Undone, the last remaining regular here - did he become, well, a, er, undone...? He was a real player and we haven't even heard from him in the Recitals...

Trap


Edited by TrapperJohn (12/10/11 07:22 AM)
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