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Originally Posted by Ferdinand
I like the Dvořák concerto, though it may not qualify as a virtuosic piece.


Not the original version, though the Kurz reworking might. It's certainly long enough. I think it compares favorably to the Tchaikovsky G major.

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Originally Posted by Ferdinand
I like the Dvořák concerto, though it may not qualify as a virtuosic piece.

Hardly virtuosic, the Dvořák concerto is still a mighty fine piece in the right 'hands'.

But I have always been conflicted about it. These days, the Kurz rewrite is horribly out of fashion, but IMO it is not a piece of hack work. Purists complain (not without merit) that Kurz overrides the folkish character of Dvořák's writing in favour of a more generalized Rubinstein/Scharwenka cosmopolitan virtuoso concerto.

Perhaps, but IMO there are passages in Dvořák's original which lack proper projection, they seem frustratingly provincial and sometimes just inept.


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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
BRAHMS' CONCERTI ARE THE BEST!!! laugh


duuuuude, they're, like, totaly overated these days. Hummel's are way more epik and exxpressives and stuff, and Feilds's' are two, yah.


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But no joke: they're seriously among the best works of all time. Period.

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Are there more neglected piano concertos in this genre that you think deserve to be mainstream?


I'll add the piano concertos by Selim Palmgren. Number two, "Virta", used to be very popular.


These are worth hearing - there used to be a decent recording of all five on the Finlandia label. I particularly like the fifth.

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There are quite a few I have recordings of that I'd love to hear in a good live performance - 2nd Stenhammar, 1st Sauer, Renaldo Hahn, Berwald - off the top of my head. There are even more modern ones that I'd love to hear - but I'll stick to the topic.





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Originally Posted by bennevis
When does a virtuosic Romantic piano concerto become simply a good piano concerto?

Are there more neglected piano concertos in this genre that you think deserve to be mainstream?


Question:

As for everyone above, isn't there yet at least one other unmentioned masterpiece?

Continue below... if you do not have the answer.

@bennevis,

As for both of your questions, let's not forget to include the monumental Busoni Piano Concerto:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rFV_g6T5lM

I have posted only the first of nine parts which comprise the entire concerto as performed by Marc-Andre Hamelin.

It takes a few hearings to get this one under your belt, however, after doing so there's no going back!

Technically, it has to be among the most difficult in the repertoire for the pianist.

And, there is great beauty to be found in the slow movement.

Only a true virtuoso can completely master it.

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Originally Posted by AldenH
Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
BRAHMS' CONCERTI ARE THE BEST!!! laugh


duuuuude, they're, like, totaly overated these days. Hummel's are way more epik and exxpressives and stuff, and Feilds's' are two, yah.


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But no joke: they're seriously among the best works of all time. Period.


lolz dude u speak da truth

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The Busoni concerto is almost mainstream these days grin - I've got Ogdon, Hamelin and Ohlsson on CD, and heard a few other pianists play it in concert too. But what about Reger's? It's almost an anti-concerto (a bit hard-going not just to play but to listen to......).

It's great to see so many people sharing my enjoyment of tuneful music which isn't necessarily profound but more than makes up for it in the fun factor and pyrotechnics. I've often wished that pianists would be more adventurous and play something other than Chopin/Liszt/Grieg/Schumann/Tchaik/Rach as their concerto offering. Though I suppose that many pianists are reluctant to learn a work only to find that after having recorded it for Hyperion, they find that concert promoters want to play safe and they never have the chance to play it in concert.

I can't wait to hear Moszkowski's other concerto.....


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Originally Posted by bennevis
Though I suppose that many pianists are reluctant to learn a work only to find that after having recorded it for Hyperion, they find that concert promoters want to play safe and they never have the chance to play it in concert.



And one top of that, many of them are outrageously difficult, too. For example, I think that Hough said one of the Hummels was the single most difficult concerto he has ever learned.

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Hyperian has a lengthy and wonderful series of cds ongoing with Romantic concertos by less-well-known composers. They are fun to explore and could offer interesting and surprising choices for pieces to learn. Not all of them are wonderful, but I have many of these recordings and have felt they were very worthwhile.

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