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#1694565 - 06/12/11 08:37 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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10,

Very kewl.
These will really challenge you in new ways. At least it did for me.

I agree with Cus, I would focus at first on using mostly 8th notes. 1/4 notes tend to break the flow.

As far as notes, there are really no rules of scales or anything like that on this exercise, you can let your ear be the guide. I will say that in general you want to try to find a good match of small and large interval. Here, you have almost only small intervals, so time to play with larger ones.
By larger, I mean a 3rd or more. Typically you want to incorporate more arpeggios. You can never overuse those.

This is a very short tune with a lot of repeats, so a pretty easy one to write composed solos on. Phrasing is really important. The basic idea is to use a long flow of 8th notes, followed by a nice long rest. You can experiment with this on the 8 measure A section. For example, 4 measures with only 8th notes, one or 2 measures of rest, then a short phrase. Things like that.

And only now I'm reading Cus' comment and I realize she's saying the same thing. If you want to do a second one and use some of those comments, I think it would be a good use of your time.

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#1694894 - 06/13/11 11:38 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Thankyou both for your comments. I'll have another go at that one.

Edit: Here goes again. I'm happier with this one. I decided from what I did yesterday, I was basically happy with the B section and not happy with the A section. So I've kept B and rewritten A according to what you both said.

http://www.box.net/shared/8jbq606qli7iq3m0ukeu
http://www.box.net/shared/8jbq606qli7iq3m0ukeu

The phrases with crotchets I wrote yesterday have stayed with me today, and I now think they would be fine for a song, just not fine for soloing in the idiom we're aiming for here.

Tia for any comments.


Edited by ten left thumbs (06/13/11 04:08 PM)
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#1695281 - 06/14/11 03:44 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Oops, sorry, you need the sound file. Not that I play it well or anything, but it gives you an idea.

http://www.box.net/shared/5zqzxnfnk0ck7r4a85zo
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#1695317 - 06/14/11 07:21 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Nice revision 10. In particular I liked
1. Your choice of simple and effective arps
2. Where you started phrases on the upbeat especially using the altered dominant

Personally I enjoy the revision process in composition which is where I learn the most.

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#1695329 - 06/14/11 08:12 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi custard, definitely the learning starts here! smile
Glad you liked it. I should probably practice it up. It is good practice for reading the chords without notes (only because I'm too lazy to write them).
I used an altered dominant? Ah, do you mean a flattened 9th somewhere in an arp? I remember that a couple of times.
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#1695361 - 06/14/11 10:01 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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10,

I like this one. You have a nice mix of scales and arpeggios. More 8th notes, longer phrases, repetition, some chromatic approaches. Very nice.

Keep using this recipe for the next tune. You might want to learn to play it a little better. Because that way, it's going to sink in more. It's really your own music, and very much what your improv will sound like later.

You can experiment with even longer 8th note lines. Also you can experiment with starting your lines before the first beat, which is common. Try starting on 4& or 3& sometimes.



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#1695655 - 06/14/11 06:43 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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All good points knotty. I suppose the work is involved in the process of going from 'here's a phrase I'm not all that happy with' to 'here's a phrase I like.' It's easy when there's time.
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#1695664 - 06/14/11 07:15 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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anytime your'e going to write a solo, there's going to be a way to write it better. You'll just have to draw the line.

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#1695914 - 06/15/11 07:37 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
Hi custard, definitely the learning starts here! smile
Glad you liked it. I should probably practice it up. It is good practice for reading the chords without notes (only because I'm too lazy to write them).
I used an altered dominant? Ah, do you mean a flattened 9th somewhere in an arp? I remember that a couple of times.


Sorry for being totally unclear, I actually meant for the D min7 b5 bar, you emphasised the b5 which sounded good.

Yes I agree that the b9 sounds excellent over a dominant. It is very Sonny Rollins-esque.

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#1696983 - 06/17/11 11:12 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Thanks for the replies!

How's everyone? Had a productive week?

I just realised this thread has had over one hundred and six *thousand* views.
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#1697021 - 06/17/11 12:36 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hey 10,

It's a good thread. Thanks to Cus for starting it.
I'm very busy. Too many tunes to learn ...

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#1697069 - 06/17/11 01:58 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty


I'm very busy. Too many tunes to learn ...


Jazz is baaaaad for that.
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#1697285 - 06/17/11 11:33 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi everyone
I just did the math. Correct me if I am wrong but this thread has been going for 14 months.
The average no. of reads is therefore 255 per day.
This is hot.

Thanks to Dave for his awesome methodology, to Knotty for his detailed and clear guidance, and to Ten for being such a motivated student.

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#1697445 - 06/18/11 11:27 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Custard gets an gold star for doing extra maths.
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#1698253 - 06/19/11 05:19 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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I did some recordings today. I still don't feel like I have a real handle on lesson 12, so I'll give them a few days before moving on. But for what they're worth:

http://www.box.net/shared/zuq4pyh5v7fxj699q8oc
http://www.box.net/shared/sxs9qjldgmrpb7t7yaky

I also worked a little on sleepy leaves. I'm especially glad that I can play this from LH chords, not notes. It seems to come quite automatically, probably more from memory than from actually knowing the chords.

http://www.box.net/shared/xgxe94i05xll6rvjnk5j

I was just thinking the other day, how strong my fingers feel while playing, and I do put this down to the jazz hanons. The difference I notice is not so much in how I sound, but how I feel when I play. As I wrote in the thread started about technique, it's a physical pleasure now to play. I don't remember having that before from piano.

I know this is off-topic, but I need to play So what at this guitar party (aka recital) organised by my teacher on Wednesday evening. I am so looking forward to this being over. I could easily live without listening to Miles Davis ever again.

How's everyone? Knotty, you learning tunes? Custard, how's C min? Not two flat I hope. wink
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#1698501 - 06/20/11 06:41 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi 10
Great postings. All very enjoyable.
You can move onto Lesson 13 which I did not find easy.
That was great that you played your composition so well. It would sound even more cool with a rhythm section IMO. But time to move on to Lesson 3 composition which again I did not find easy.
You're racing through the lessons. Awesome work.

The only modal Miles Davis song I know is All Blues because Knotty played it. I really like it.
And I love Miles Davis tonal improvs. I listen to them as he is often a soloist in the Bird tunes which I'm singing.

All the best at the guitar party.

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#1698509 - 06/20/11 08:02 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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10,

Lesson 12 sounded really good. Especially the blues.
Sleepy leaves sounded really good also now that you can play it well.

How are you doing on the Hanons? What lessons are you on, what speed etc ?

You will change your opinion on Miles, it's just a matter of time. He has some of the best music ever recorded.

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#1698515 - 06/20/11 08:13 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Custard, how's C min? Not two flat I hope. wink



hehe, Scottish humour at its best ! I do like the sound of the C harm min scale.

I had very good intentions at the start of the week. I was going to compose over Lesson 7 Topsy in C min.

But regretfully I've not actually done any improv the last few days as I've had to arrange an unexpected overseas trip.
When I get back in a few weeks time, I'm going to get my piano tuned. I'm looking forward to starting Lesson 29 tunes. Still on Lesson 20 Hanons.

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#1698519 - 06/20/11 08:22 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Thanks guys! smile I had a real sense of pride doing sleepy leaves. I did sound an awful lot better once I played it decently.

If lesson 13 is also difficult, then I will spend more time here with 12. I have so many things I need to be doing, including guitar, and some classical piano, and really want to pay some attention to the Ligon book too.

My plan is to do a composition every fortnight.

I'm really working on keeping an open mind with Miles Davis.

Hanons - at lesson 12, yesterday I did up to 160 HT and 184 RH only. I think it was lesson 12, I had really struggled to keep hands together, and was tempted to drop the left. My hands were doing this strange symmetry thing around fingers 3 and 4 and getting confused. I'm glad I stuck at it, and now I'm back to normal (normal means there's 10-20 bpm difference between top speed HT and RH). I does just feel so good when I do it!
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#1698522 - 06/20/11 08:32 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Apologies Ten for misleading you about Lesson 13. I just looked back at my stuff and in fact I was away for 3 weeks last year. In fact Lesson 13 was NOT difficult. You should be able to kinda race through it.

As a matter of interest, why do you love doing Hanons with both hands ? In the skype masterclass, we were told that the point of the Hanons is to do the RH at massive speed.

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#1698628 - 06/20/11 12:28 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Originally Posted By: custard apple
Apologies Ten for misleading you about Lesson 13. I just looked back at my stuff and in fact I was away for 3 weeks last year. In fact Lesson 13 was NOT difficult. You should be able to kinda race through it.


okey doke.

Quote:

As a matter of interest, why do you love doing Hanons with both hands ? In the skype masterclass, we were told that the point of the Hanons is to do the RH at massive speed.


For 10 minutes every day I sit and exercise my right hand. In that time, what am I to do with my left? Sit and pick my nose? Just feels like a waste of time for it not to play. smile
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#1698651 - 06/20/11 12:59 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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or you could do 2(LH) against 3(RH) and make it a REAL challenge wink

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#1698679 - 06/20/11 01:52 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty
or you could do 2(LH) against 3(RH) and make it a REAL challenge wink


mmmm. How do you mean? This would need to be straight, otherwise it's just a question of missing out a note in the LH.

How about 3 in LH against 2 in RH? (only kidding) grin
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#1698685 - 06/20/11 02:04 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Yeah, I see what you mean. with the triplets, that would be really wild.
Well, you could set your met on 180 for the RH and a second met on 120 for the LH. smile

Yes, I'm only kidding, too! That's gotta be wild.

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#1698708 - 06/20/11 03:05 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Lesson 12 for RH and lesson 2 for LH? Db in RH against C in LH?

Now we're getting silly.

A shade more seriously, I realise how much these hanons are responsible for drilling the major scales into my fingers. Majors, but not minors. That leaves me with the slightly unsettled feeling that the minor scales will never be as secure. I suppose I could just compensate by playing a few scales. Anyone done these hanons in minor?
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#1698779 - 06/20/11 04:54 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
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For 10 minutes every day I sit and exercise my right hand. In that time, what am I to do with my left? Sit and pick my nose? Just feels like a waste of time for it not to play. smile


This is a tradeoff I have been struggling with, too. For a long time, I have wanted to improve my left hand technique, but I was not sure how to begin. After I had worked through the Hanons in JOI Book 1, I was so impressed with the results that I concluded this might help my LH too, so I stopped and started all over again using both hands. The downside of course is that RH is now playing much slower.

What I like about the JOI Hanons is that they seem to train your fingers to think freely and be more open to new ideas; my thumb no longer has a big hangup about playing black notes, it feels free to go and hit whatever note is crying out to be played, and give it a good whack. Also, they are more like jazz phrases, with triplets and sixteenths thrown in, than the original Hanons. I suppose they drill in the modes of the major scale, too, or at least the bottom five notes. Personally I feel that I have beat that dead horse quite a bit already; still, some refreshing can't hurt.

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#1698786 - 06/20/11 05:09 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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beautiful, that's just what they were for. Can try LH alone to maximize LH chops, optional..

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#1698799 - 06/20/11 05:38 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: Riddler]
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Hi Ed!

Originally Posted By: Riddler

my thumb no longer has a big hangup about playing black notes,


Ditto

Quote:
it feels free to go and hit whatever note is crying out to be played, and give it a good whack.


Again, ditto. I can whack with anything, even finger 4.

Quote:
I suppose they drill in the modes of the major scale, too, or at least the bottom five notes.


They do.

(This feels like a pretty pointless post. But I do so agree.)
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#1699130 - 06/21/11 03:13 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Ditto with all the benefits above.

Yet other benefits I've found with Dave's Hanons:

1. Confidence to shift the whole hand when playing tunes. No more of the thumb under. This is liberating.

2. Even without practising the LH, my LH is significantly faster than before I started JOI. This is because the 2nd half of the Hanon is a mirror image which subconsciously trains the brain.

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#1699140 - 06/21/11 03:37 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Originally Posted By: custard apple


1. Confidence to shift the whole hand when playing tunes. No more of the thumb under. This is liberating.



Really? I do a lot of thumb under. If I can't, I can't, and I do some lateral movement now - that wasn't previously in my vocab. But thumb under is still smoother.


Edited by ten left thumbs (06/21/11 06:57 AM)
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