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#1788571 - 11/14/11 04:47 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi custard, it's been a couple of weeks I think on the minors, but I never focussed on each one as solidly as you - I would do a different one on each day; all hanons and all voicings every day.

copy that - major then minor. I will try and see how it goes.

Glad you liked the singing. I felt I had to do that this time as I chickened out last lesson.
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#1788578 - 11/14/11 05:05 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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I think Knotty did your method of moving quickly through each of the minors as a one scale progression.

I learnt my minors as part of each combined (2 scale) progression.
If you do decide to move onto the combined progression, you can spend some time making a hip progression, voicings that you like a lot, that you "own".


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#1788580 - 11/14/11 05:57 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi Dave and Knotty
During the last week I've increased my Take the A train from 69 bpm to 80 bpm and have consolidated the changes.

http://www.box.net/s/9nkzt9tggybceit5a49g

Cheers
cus

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#1788598 - 11/14/11 07:12 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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I did all 12 major, then all 12 minor, then 6 combined progressions
One could spend 2 weeks on each of those 3.

It's good to stay with only one thing for a while so it has time to sink in.

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#1788599 - 11/14/11 07:13 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Sorry, i cross posted a response to last page not seeing this page :-)

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#1788654 - 11/14/11 09:07 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Cus, the improv sounded really good.
I liked how you did 4 to the bar on the melody.
And some of the lines sounded really good. You're not afraid of playing really long line.

On to the next tune ?

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#1788751 - 11/14/11 12:15 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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choo choo! That was great! thumb
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#1788759 - 11/14/11 12:28 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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#1788931 - 11/14/11 04:54 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Thanks so much Knots and 10. It was fun but as soon as I hit the record button it was like major sweat and shower.

I had a quick look at Satin Doll last night. Wow the A section harmony is potentially very complex. I could use multiple scales or keep it simple to C maj.

Cheers
cus

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#1788934 - 11/14/11 04:57 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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you sounded relaxed and i enjoyed listening
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#1788967 - 11/14/11 06:10 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Cus,
Yes, multiple scales.
Cmaj, Dmaj, G then Gbmaj I think for the A section.
Then F, G, C and D for the bridge.

At least, that's what I would do.

It's a bunch of major 25s.

for the solos, instead of D-7 G7 | D-7 G7, you can play D-7 | G7

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#1788989 - 11/14/11 06:33 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Thank you Knotty. That helps to clarify A LOT.
I will have a go tonight at the progressions and post, if you wouldn't mind reviewing.

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#1789024 - 11/14/11 07:43 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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super improv. everything right on target. Mazel tov, have a nice bar-mitzvah.

DF

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#1789061 - 11/14/11 08:53 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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smile Oh Dave thanks very much, I feel very special to be part of this super exciting improv club !

Can't wait to start on Satin Doll.

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#1789457 - 11/15/11 12:51 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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I've still been workig on the Joy of Improv. Finished my composition for Lesson 12 birds bounce and I am playing the tunes from Lesson 23.

I think in my next lesson with Dave we will finally start the Improv. Its been a long road until here.

LOl @ Cus. Lets rather not talk about the rugby

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#1789874 - 11/16/11 06:06 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: saiman]
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haha Simon, don't worry, even ozzies think the ref was mean to you.
You've been working hard. Congrats on reaching the improv stage.
Don't know why you said you were hibernating !

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#1789876 - 11/16/11 06:08 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi Knotty
If you have time over the next couple of weeks, could you please tell me what you think of my progression for Satin Doll ?

http://www.box.net/s/j63fq69lggalbnzy8bbk

http://www.box.net/s/93bqv89e3by5azfy1lc2

I know it's a lot so I won't be offended if you say "Nope, it's too long !".

Cheers
cus

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#1790041 - 11/16/11 02:11 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Cus,

Sounds good. I think I have the A section ending on a Cmaj. So Ab-7 Db7 | C and then your turnaround e-7b5 A7

But I think I've also seen it as C7 B7 Bb7 A7

Probably the first is more straight forward.

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#1790106 - 11/16/11 04:02 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hey Knots
Many thanks for your comprehensive review as usual.
Your C maj 7 for ending the first A section should make it easier for me to create an "at home" ending.
The only reason I changed it from C maj7 to C7 was to relate it to the turnaround E min 7b5, A7 b9.
So are you saying that I can treat turnarounds as separate to the bar preceding it ?

Can I also treat turnarounds as separate to the bar following it ?

Thanks again !



Edited by custard apple (11/16/11 07:57 PM)

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#1794040 - 11/22/11 03:03 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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My update:

Blues: lesson 24. Occasionally I'll improvise quaver lines over a blues progression in C - even more occasionally Bb.

Tunes: Lesson 24 (Sky Line/ Blue skies) this one is getting me all confused with the F's and Fb's and the C's and Cb's.

hanon: Curiously, I can't get these hanons reliably past 130-ish, though previous hanons I managed at 160+ sometimes. When I'm improvising at 120 and my hanons are 130, I'll start to worry. wink Getting more confident with the minor hanon/ii-V-i thingy.

Singing with solo - still on Embraceable You (CP, lesson 23) - and amazingly still enjoying it.

Improv - I do some of this every day, going major to minor, just trying to get comfortable in different keys.

Plan: finish book 1 by the end of the year, start book ii in Jan. Maybe do some more composing, arranging, walking bass lines, etc in between. Be confident in the ii-V-I's in all important keys, and move to the next step in Jan.

How's everyone? Shall we have a Christmas party?
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#1794199 - 11/22/11 07:36 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs


Tunes: Lesson 24 (Sky Line/ Blue skies) this one is getting me all confused with the F's and Fb's and the C's and Cb's.



Hi 10
Cool. It seems like you and Simon are at round about the same stage with the tunes.

For Lesson 24 I would think of it this way. It has one or at most 2 key centres.
A section is F min 6, B section is its relative major Ab maj 6.

You can think of the turnaround at the end of B section as preparing you from Ab maj 6 back to F min 6.
The Db7 is Ab maj 6,9 with a cool minor or blues flavour.
The C7 is the dominant of the F min 6.

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#1794202 - 11/22/11 07:41 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs


How's everyone?


Good thanks 10.

Hanons Lesson 24 @ 138 bpm

Lesson 39: Beautiful composition from Dave over Coltrane's Giant Steps.

Singing: Sonny Clark and Wes Montgomery. I always laugh when I sing the Wes original Mr Walker as Tommy Flanagan sounds like Knotty.

Improv: Familiarisation with the A section tonality of Satin Doll, ii Vs which kinda don't resolve.

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#1794269 - 11/22/11 09:39 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hey All,

Hope you're all doing well.
On my end, quite busy with everything.
My new assignment is playing accompaniment for a Schumann piece on Dec 18th with my son on cello. These are getting harder and harder and I don't know how much longer I'll be able to keep it up. Seeing that he's making great progress 10 times faster than me. I'm really digging this classical stuff actually. It uses a lot of keyboard and very interesting root movements. Like it.

I kind of finished the first pass of an arrangement to touch of your lips. I was watching this clip with Bill & McPartland. I bought that long ago not knowing that all this stuff was available for free on NPR's site. This is totally mind blowing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y9g0EQcZXI

Anyway, after I played my simple arrangement, DF showed me a couple of tricks. If "Dave don't mind", I wonder if I could share this little bit i recorded of him. That's Dave playing this fairly obscure tune on the spot. It's just crazy.

Anyways, I'm doing some walking bass lines on Here's that rainy day, which is turning out to be interesting and tricky. And a beautiful melody.

I'm working a little bit on speed too, right now with All the things you are.

I'm still working on my sight reading, which is going great also.

And I've started playing one of the greatest solos I've ever heard (I know I always say that!). Fats on the changes to out of nowhere:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdh5YkkfmGU
Fats is absolutely unbelievable on this track. It's hard to believe this is improvised, how good this is. Anyway, I started playing the first 1/2 chorus in my usual way, and the tempo is reasonable. But for an extra kick, I'm moving this one to random keys.

What else? A fair amount of playing. The usual regular jam sessions. Great swing last night. Awesome drummer, really neat.
Also did a fundraiser last week. This week, we're doing a thanksgiving special in a cool restaurant that features a lot of jazz. I'm looking at a few more trio / quartet jobs in the very near area, and another one at the IMF (same I did last year), the week before the son's recital. I get all this from folks that randomly call me. People I played with, or heard that I played with friends. Network type of stuff. It's all good. All this music is a real good break from the constant non-sense at work.

Chrismas party? Yeah I'm down.

>>Singing: Sonny Clark and Wes Montgomery. I always laugh when I sing the Wes original Mr Walker as Tommy Flanagan sounds like Knotty.
You saying Tommy copied my licks ? Show me ! That sounds interesting smile

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#1794336 - 11/22/11 11:41 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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ok, let's hear it

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#1794383 - 11/23/11 02:17 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hey Knots

If you record your son, please let me know. He's like a completely different person each time. If I remember correctly, he played Schumann last time, he was very good to tackle the Romantics at his age.

Thanks for sharing the amazing Bill Evans interview. A lot of it was too profound for me to understand but I find him very humble and disciplined to pre-plan his songs beforehand.

I've added Fats' Nostalgia to my singing list for after JOI. It was awesome and very Fats.

Dunno how you keep your web-site updated with all these gigs.

Let me know if you would like the Mr Walker track.
Tommy's solo starts at 2:51. When he started I thought "Who's playing? Knots or Tommy ?"
One of the many examples of a typical Knots construct is 3:21.
Short phrase, rest, medium phrase, longer phrase incorporating change of dynamics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHpJPnjWMAM


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#1794496 - 11/23/11 09:01 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Cus,
you're very kind to compare me to Flanagan. I actually find this solo really good.

There's the DF clip I talked about. I missed the beginning where he shows the "simple" version
http://www.box.com/s/y38edzd9t93gpln9liom

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#1794698 - 11/23/11 02:47 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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not bad, needs work

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#1794797 - 11/23/11 05:04 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Originally Posted By: custard apple

For Lesson 24 I would think of it this way. It has one or at most 2 key centres.
A section is F min 6, B section is its relative major Ab maj 6.


You are quite right. Interesting, I tend to do these without even think what key I'm in. But it's a good idea to think about it.

My problems are mostly in the B section. Ab maj it may be, but what all those Ab dominant and A dominant chords are doing there, I have no idea. I get the chromatic idea, it just trips my fingers up.

if I'm in Ab blues, then the Cb is the minor third, I get that.
Quote:

You can think of the turnaround at the end of B section as preparing you from Ab maj 6 back to F min 6.


true

Quote:

The Db7 is Ab maj 6,9 with a cool minor or blues flavour.


?? [scratches head] - it's got a Cb. That is the chord that trips me up, I confuse it with the Ab13 in the first bar of the B section. But that Ab13 confuses me too, because it doesn't have a 13, just the 5th. The Ab13 further along has the 13.

Quote:

The C7 is the dominant of the F min 6.


I like that C7, only I play it with a D, which I prefer to two E's.

I like the tune, I don't think there's anything for it but more practice.
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#1794805 - 11/23/11 05:14 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Knotty - you sound so busy. Glad your son is putting you to good use. All that music reading is paying off. (I should do some too)

That Fats solo is something else.

Good to hear your dulcet tones, Dave! thumb
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#1794808 - 11/23/11 05:16 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Originally Posted By: custard apple


Good thanks 10.

Hanons Lesson 24 @ 138 bpm

Lesson 39: Beautiful composition from Dave over Coltrane's Giant Steps.

Singing: Sonny Clark and Wes Montgomery. I always laugh when I sing the Wes original Mr Walker as Tommy Flanagan sounds like Knotty.

Improv: Familiarisation with the A section tonality of Satin Doll, ii Vs which kinda don't resolve.


Custard, you're really going places! Satin Doll is so cool. Is there any chance of you meeting up with local jazzers?
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