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#1807207 - 12/16/11 02:21 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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#1807428 - 12/16/11 11:34 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
Norm, you join us for scathing criticism and a mince-pie breakfast?

I'll see if I can squeeze some time between rising, showering, tending to the kids and making it to a morning Christmas program practice. And in honor of the occasion, I promise to play poorly, forget phrases, ruin rhythms, and mangle each measure.
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#1807489 - 12/17/11 03:54 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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ok, we're all set then.
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#1807552 - 12/17/11 09:17 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi Knotty
Thanks so much for reviewing my JOI Lesson 41 and my Satin Doll.
I'm so looking forward to starting Lady Bird.

Hi Laura
Your Lesson 26 was really good. So you're gonna take a break until the New Year before you start Book 2 ?

It was cool to hang out with you both before Christmas.

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#1807642 - 12/17/11 12:19 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi guys, thanks for getting there so early and late - I think I get the best deal with a daytime slot!

Custard, your Satin Doll is sounding great!

I am absolutely going to take a break from the Joi tunes to focus on the improv. It bothers me that I'm trying to improvise over changes where my lh isn't rock solid and half the time I don't even know what chord I'm playing. So I want to focus on getting that done. If I try to do too much, sometimes nothing gets done.

I was just doing scales up, scales down, which is mostly fine, but as soon as I try arpeggios it does fall apart.
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#1807969 - 12/18/11 07:53 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Well, in the words of Rick Perry, "Let's see.... Oops..."

So it was yesterday?!

I can attribute this to a slip of the mind, pre-senile dementia, a shift in my space-time continuum, or some cognitive conflation where Saturday morphed in Sunday. Either way, I offer my regrets, and look forward to hanging in next time.
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#1808079 - 12/18/11 01:05 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Ah, that's too bad, we missed you! There's always next time.
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#1808267 - 12/18/11 06:17 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hey Knots
I recorded the g+ teach-in you gave me and plan to re-listen to it today for your cool improv ideas for my next tune.

I forgot to ask you if you remembered the standard for Lesson 42 Jordon't.

Bet your Schumann walking bass went awesomely cool.

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#1808270 - 12/18/11 06:20 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Jordu.

Do you have the changes / melody to Lady Bird?

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#1808345 - 12/18/11 09:03 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Thanks for Jordu. I can't believe that even though I own the Clifford Brown/Max Roach album, I hadn't listened to this great standard until now.

Yes I looked up Real Book 1 for the Lady Bird sheet. But as you highlighted through my Satin Doll learning, the Real Book doesn't always give you the right rhythm. So I will be learning the head by playing along to Fats Navarro's version slowed down.

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#1808488 - 12/19/11 06:11 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi Knotty
If you have time over the next couple of weeks, would you mind telling me what you think of my choice of chords and scales for Lady Bird ?

http://www.box.com/s/mmrk3c49bijgc9nrabyy

http://www.box.com/s/xcgrtfhkur4xoqlt0pfz

Many thanks.


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#1808524 - 12/19/11 08:52 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Cus,

Looks good.
Couple things. Some of your chords have a lot of tension in them, especially those minor chords. That's fine but just be aware of it.
The Eb6 at the end is fine so long as you see it as an Eb7.
Those last 4 measures might give you some trouble. You can kind of see it as a 3625. The Cmaj, then A7 = Eb7, then you could play D-7 | G7 and that would sound ok.

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#1809060 - 12/20/11 06:06 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi Knots
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly with your great comments. Your explanations are always so clear.
I've taken all your comments into account and I hope this sounds better to you.

http://www.box.com/s/07z5pik51ki2pm4pdn9c

http://www.box.com/s/m94afnu5p0cbeclguv53

Cheers
cus

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#1809119 - 12/20/11 09:45 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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yeah, I think it wil make it easier to play and stay within the tune. The original turn around sounds really cool though.
Overall not a very difficult tune, but moves through a few keys, and pretty at any tempo, especially medium. I think you'll have fun with that.

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#1809305 - 12/20/11 02:29 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Thanks Knotty for re-checking.
I'm so looking forward to it. What a pretty melody.
Yes for the original turnaround it's easy to do a beautiful composition but when improv it's hard to execute. I thought the turnarounds in Satin Doll at the end of A1 and A2 were hard to execute.

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#1809727 - 12/21/11 12:39 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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I think you have some of those voicings to low and most are are not so hip or standard. Why not use the standard left hand rootless voicings? They are the standard because they sound best.

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#1809740 - 12/21/11 01:17 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi Jazz +
Thanks for your feedback.

You highlighted exactly the issues I encountered when I created these chords. I personally like both

1. higher voicings.
However my LH got in the way of my melody. The melody goes down low to middle C. I don't want to play the melody one octave higher, I don't like the head sounding too high.
This is because a lot of my improv is in the higher range, so I need the contrast.

2. rootless voicings.
In the progression exercises I did before I went onto tunes, I tended to use too much of them.
I've decided that I need to use the root more since I see myself playing solo piano in the future as there aren't many bebop dudes to play with in Sydney.

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#1809845 - 12/21/11 09:14 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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What fingering do you use for Dbmaj7 arpeggio. 2 Hands.

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#1810037 - 12/21/11 03:00 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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There should be a special word for that unique kind of fatigue that comes from doing 2-5-1's for hours and still wanting to get it right. when you look around and see tables and chairs and waterjugs and vaguely remember that they used to have some sort of purpose, but, hey, what key am I in?
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#1810156 - 12/21/11 06:00 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Hey 10
Congrats for tackling this difficult stage where you're familiarising yourself with the tonality for maj_relative minor.

Sounds like you're overdoing it a bit.

Say there are 6 of these progressions you have to tackle.
What is the easiest of these for you ? Focus on this one.

1. Do your drills.
By far the hardest exercise for me is scale up, arps down.

2. If you can do these drills at say 69 bpm, try making complete phrases.

To help take out some of the complexity, Dave suggested that at first I can pre-record the left hand chords.
This will help you think RH "Flow. Rest. Dig into the rest"

3. Post.
Don't worry about sounding bad. Remember I did some progressions 5 times for Knotty.

Yes jazz improv is complex esp bebop style. That's why many give up or don't attempt it in the first place.

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#1810172 - 12/21/11 06:31 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Cus has drunk the Kool-Aid!

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#1810202 - 12/21/11 07:29 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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ha Knots, just one bottle from the case I received from the East Coast.
How did you know we don’t have Kool Aid here ?!

Btw I think it’s cool you’re doing arps in both hands. Is that because of the walking bass ? Maybe you could post your question in the Pianist Corner.

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#1810392 - 12/22/11 02:50 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: ten left thumbs]
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put up a bit of your improv, Laura, if you like..

DF

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#1810397 - 12/22/11 03:19 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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knotty - sorry I didn't realise this was a question for you.

Choice for Db7 arp is do you flip once per octave or twice? Me, I get a more comfortable stretch and smoother run just flipping once per octave.
LH: 4 on Db. Ascending from Db: 4321
RH: 2 on Db. Ascending from Db: 2341

This means the flip is over the least possible distance.

What's Kool Aid?

custard - hugs. You are right. But I feel an intense need to be fluent in these in all the important keys. Now working on maj-min in G, C, F, Bb, Eb and Ab. By fluent I mean I get from beginning to end without forgetting what key I'm in.

Dave - hugs too. I will try to post today.
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#1810419 - 12/22/11 05:14 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
knotty - sorry I didn't realise this was a question for you.

Choice for Db7 arp is do you flip once per octave or twice? Me, I get a more comfortable stretch and smoother run just flipping once per octave.
LH: 4 on Db. Ascending from Db: 4321
RH: 2 on Db. Ascending from Db: 2341

This means the flip is over the least possible distance.



This is a question I forgot to ask you both in the hangout.
Why are you flipping at all ?
Isn't the point of the Hanons to keep on lifting your hand for each of the patterns ?

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#1810453 - 12/22/11 07:35 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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OK, as promised. I can do this, maybe I'm expecting too much of 2-5-1's. I discovered I do better when the Zoom isn't on. smile

http://www.box.com/s/ek2isp0o5b2lnx08ox8q
http://www.box.com/s/p619dxqs1vlgdlzygbtz
http://www.box.com/s/xtnyormun87n860np6cy

There were less successful attempts I just deleted.

I can do this for G, C and F, provided I orient myself in the key first. Also for Bb, Eb and Ab, but they need a good deal of orienting first. Maybe a week or so.
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#1810477 - 12/22/11 08:37 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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10,

I think your improv was perfect. I really do. We could pick all day on a couple of spots but imho, you got it.

And so once you do this in 6 keys or so, you just move on to the next progression. The flow will get stronger and stronger, and you'll feel more confortable with typical changes.

About the Dbmaj7. I have the same fingering as you for the LH. I just find it hard to play fast because of the stretch between 3 and 4, and the tight passing of thumb between C and Db.

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#1810494 - 12/22/11 09:11 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty
10,

I think your improv was perfect. I really do. We could pick all day on a couple of spots but imho, you got it.



OK. I want to really get these chord in mind body and spirit before I move on. But I won't worry about the improv. Thanks. Reassurance was needed.

Quote:


About the Dbmaj7. I have the same fingering as you for the LH. I just find it hard to play fast because of the stretch between 3 and 4, and the tight passing of thumb between C and Db.


It could be you need to raise your hand a fraction so finger 3 floats over the E before landing on the F. I just tried it again. For my fingers the stretch is such there is no curve - my fingers are straight out like carrots to reach. I need finger 4 to contact in just the right spot, if it does, all is well. Your thumb action looked good on googleplus. So your thumb contacts the key with just the side-tip and then the hand slides over. But if you're finding this tight, then again, raising your hand a little will give more room.

Bottom line - it is hard to play arpeggios fast.

If you still have trouble you could take a video and post in the teachers forum.
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#1810979 - 12/23/11 05:33 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Nice work 10.
Seemed like you knew your chords well. Maybe the next time you practise , you could try the sections joined up, without the 1 measure gap.
Happy Christmas and well done !

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#1811003 - 12/23/11 07:28 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi custard and merry Christmas! Merry Christmas to everyone here! smile

Thanks for the encouragement. I will keep going. Sometimes I keep my head and get the chords, sometimes it all goes. From the files you heard I deleted the aborted attempts, and some of the longer gaps.

I'll address this too:

Originally Posted By: custard apple

This is a question I forgot to ask you both in the hangout.
Why are you flipping at all ?


Why not? It's still a good way of getting about smoothly.

Quote:

Isn't the point of the Hanons to keep on lifting your hand for each of the patterns ?


That's *another* way of getting about. It can never be as legato though.
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