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#1882289 - 04/19/12 10:49 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hi custard, that sounds good to me. It's a funny one, isn't it?
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#1882361 - 04/19/12 12:59 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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tenleftthumbs, good job. Maybe try starting phrases on the "+" instead of right on beat 1. Also, try accenting the "+" a little more often. target towards the end of your phrases on a good note.

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#1882437 - 04/19/12 02:59 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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sounds good

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#1882528 - 04/19/12 05:13 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Thank you 10, jazz + and Knotty for your feedback.

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#1884830 - 04/23/12 07:33 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hey Knots
All this talk of me not swinging my improv has got me real worried about whether I'm swinging my JOI tunes wink
Here is Lesson 51, what do you think ? Thanks for reviewing.

https://www.box.com/s/33ec76c7683aa183ae45

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#1884855 - 04/23/12 08:29 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Cus,

Are you kidding? this is perfect.
I dont think I ever really swung these too well either, but it's already hard enough just playing the notes!

I think those are more about training you to hear cool lines, rather than speed, technique or swing.

The improv, of course, that's a whole different challenge.
I guess only one lesson left for you then, huh? More time for other things then.

Ok, the one thing that is tricky is that 16th figure you play towards the end, must be 5 bars before the end. If you start singing with Bird or even playing along, you run into a lot of those. They add a very cool sound. You can start using that in your improv quite a bit, it's easy and sounds great.

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#1885173 - 04/23/12 05:41 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty
Cus,

Are you kidding? this is perfect.
I dont think I ever really swung these too well either



Are you kidding Knots ? Your swing is so good !

Thanks so much for your kind words, it's kinda a relief as one of the reasons I did JOI was to learn how to swing.

Lately I've put in extra effort into my JOI tunes firstly to achieve my 2 year target and secondly because I'm going away in May.

I can't wait to start on new stuff in June. You've internalised Bird so well, I've always been impressed by your 16th note stuff on you-tube. Perhaps I can work on Perhaps 10 min a day after JOI.

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#1885218 - 04/23/12 06:33 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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oh and I forgot to ask you, what are the standards for
Lesson 51 A Line Together in D min 6
Lesson 52 Frank's Francs in C maj 7 ?

Thanks Knotty.

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#1885235 - 04/23/12 07:08 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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>>I can't wait to start on new stuff in June. You've internalised Bird so well, I've always been impressed by your 16th note stuff on you-tube. Perhaps I can work on Perhaps 10 min a day after JOI.
Thanks Cus,
if you want to play along, try Leser Young first, it's much easier than Bird.

As far as Bird, I think Moose is a relatively "easy" one and also really great. Billie's Bounce is a good start also.

51: Alone together
52: Pennies from Heaven?

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#1885251 - 04/23/12 07:29 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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52 is a major twist on Lennies Pennies, which is a minor twist on Pennies from Heaven. Haha

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#1885267 - 04/23/12 08:02 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: davefrank]
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hehe Dave, I knew you'd make the last one complicated. So it's your original hey !

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#1885274 - 04/23/12 08:11 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty
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if you want to play along, try Leser Young first, it's much easier than Bird.



OK, when you gave 10 Oh Lady Be Good, it made me realise I didn't know it. Should I start with this one ?

About drop 2 voicings, I know that you've found them really easy and natural. But for me they've been difficult to internalise so I've spent 10 min a day for the last 3 months doing 4 note drop 2 voicings (1 LH note, 3 RH notes).

In 12 keys in all inversions, I've done
C maj 7
C min 6
C7
C min 7
C min 7 b5
C dim

Then I did maj 2 5 1s starting from the root position of the 2.

Then I did min 2 5 1s starting from
- the root position of the 2
- the 1st inversion of the 2
- the 2nd inversion of the 2
- the 3rd inversion of the 2

Now I feel like I should move onto the next step. Is that a 5 note drop 2 voicing ? Do I add a 5th to the LH ?

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#1885350 - 04/23/12 10:57 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Cus,

Lady be good, I think with Count Basie, yeah, that's a great one. you don't have to play at full speed.

For the drop 2, Dave told me not to try and master them, rather, just do the exercise with closed eyes and saying out loud that you should be familiar with.
Then just refer to them for your arrangements.

I wouldn't say I found them easy and natural, but I didn't really try to master them either :-)

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#1885372 - 04/23/12 11:55 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Thanks for getting back to me Knotty.

Do you tend to use Drop 2s for comping or when playing the head ?

And do you tend to use them for scalar passages or for 2 5 1 sequences ?

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#1885427 - 04/24/12 02:48 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Custard, it's great to see you making such progress. All those hanons have made a big difference to your rh technique, I can hear it. You have good rhythmic control now, even in the tricky spots. Just one more tune to go! smile
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#1885520 - 04/24/12 07:28 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: ten left thumbs]
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That's nice of you 10.
Yeah I came to JOI with very little technique and even less rhythmic sense.

I'm happy to continue with Hanons after I finish JOI. As I spend about one month per Hanon, I will be doing them for another 20 months.

There is no way I could have handled the Lesson 51 rhythm before JOI.

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#1885533 - 04/24/12 07:58 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Cus,

For comping, I usually simply try to open up the left hand a bit, playing it same as if soloing, or more open, or higher. It's just that you have more options if the rh doesn't have to solo.
for the RH, I try to provide some basic counterpoint, doubling notes, or creating simple melodies, filler, or sometimes copying whatever someone is playing. That's the part where you try and listen a lot.

Drop 2 I would use mostly for the arrangements, all things considered, when written down, they are easy to play and provide a great open sound for a 4 note chord. They allow you to use a bit more of the keyboard than you normally would with more closed type voicings.

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#1885867 - 04/24/12 06:48 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Cool, Knotty. I really like your comping. I can hear it clearly when there's only the sax, with the rhythm section, sometimes it's hard to hear what you're doing.

Originally Posted By: knotty


Drop 2 I would use mostly for the arrangements, all things considered, when written down, they are easy to play and provide a great open sound for a 4 note chord. They allow you to use a bit more of the keyboard than you normally would with more closed type voicings.



So don't you think it's weird that you only play 1 note with the LH ?
I'm thinking that I should add a 7th or a 3rd to my LH ?

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#1885971 - 04/24/12 10:29 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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you can add any note you want. You might add the bass for example.
But if the arrangement sounds good as is, it's good. The more you add, the harder it is to play. In my view, it's hard enough coming up with an arrangement with 4 note chords. Start with something simple but complete, and then add on to it. Drop 2s are easy to play and have a nice open sound.

As far as comping, probably most important is the time / groove. You don't want to over play. It doesn't matter all that much if you add a 9 or a b13, as long as you play with good time.

for the duet, I've been working on a few intros for tune. That's a lot of fun to do. It's basically composing a short tune that leads into the one you play. So we're playing It could happen to you, starting on Fmaj. You think of which way you can go to Fmaj7 and then walk backwards. You can almost play any chord and it works.

We should nag DF for an "Intro" masterclass ;-)

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#1886064 - 04/25/12 02:55 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty


We should nag DF for an "Intro" masterclass ;-)




That's a good idea, like the walking bass one.
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#1886066 - 04/25/12 03:05 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty
you can add any note you want. You might add the bass for example.
But if the arrangement sounds good as is, it's good. The more you add, the harder it is to play. In my view, it's hard enough coming up with an arrangement with 4 note chords. Start with something simple but complete, and then add on to it. Drop 2s are easy to play and have a nice open sound.



Oh yes Knotty, I agree. That's why maybe I couldn't play my arrangement of When I fall in Love, even after simplification.

I think KJ's intros are a work of art. I wonder how much planning he puts into them, he would probably they are all completely improvised.

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#1886269 - 04/25/12 12:01 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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It's as great listening to your improvs and exercises as it is reading your comments, suggestions, queries, theories, interpretations, musings, and stuff. It's where, G-d willing, I hope to be in four years.

Here's my latest gyration from Lesson 7. I sang the first version more or less straight, then played around a little with the second.

Blues On Top
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#1886409 - 04/25/12 03:40 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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The blues sounds really good Norm. You'll be surprised where you are in 4 years wink

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#1886489 - 04/25/12 06:09 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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You're doing well Norm!
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#1886517 - 04/25/12 06:44 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Hey Norm !
I always enjoy your singing especially the improvised version. You're a real natural at it.
And I think you're in the wrong profession wink

Many thanks for your kind words too. I think it's great that you started JOI with a 4-5 year goal. It sounds fine to me as I know you do extra stuff e.g. the sight reading jazz songs Knotty gave you, plus you put in so much effort into your singing with the masters.

I also agree with Knotty that you will be surprised at your progress. After all, you already knew the blues before you started JOI. I didn't even know what blues was until I started JOI.

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#1886565 - 04/25/12 08:13 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Thanks to everyone for your kind comments and support. My intent now lies in having these first 26 lessons provide enough foundation to get this music out of my head and into my fingers.

This will take some time, but I'm emboldened with the knowledge of Hebb's Law: "Neurons that fire together wire together." Each lesson builds new neural connections -- permanent connections. So, there you have it: JOI changes brains.

Cus' complimentary comment notwithstanding, I probably am in the right profession. I seem to be approaching this venture more from the perspective of a psychologist than a singer. Dude can't help it.

Thanks again for the encouragement. Keep swingin' and singing. And now I'm heading back to Turvy Land.
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#1888250 - 04/29/12 07:59 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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Here's Joi lesson 34:

http://www.box.com/s/50948c53136db7078828

I recorded this because I found the blues line very challenging to sing. The problem was starting the phrase on the right note. Think I got there in the end. I'm now on lesson 35.

Dave advised me to write out another line for Autumn Leaves, and here it is. I struggled for a title, but my son came up with 'Raking' so that stuck:

http://www.box.com/s/53f9f29070ce273e853e

And improv over the changes:

http://www.box.com/s/b71b9067d2f040933c63

The recording is fair - I've played better (only when the red dot is off), I've played worse. I feel like I *can* get it - but I can also screw up - forget where I am in the song, play from the wrong scale, or just land on a totally bum note. So I'm not sure how long to stick with the same song before moving on.
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#1888284 - 04/29/12 09:22 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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10,

sounds really great. All of it. The composition particularly.
The improv is great too.
Watch the rushing here and there, for example at or around 1:05. Shorter lines usually help me stick to the beat, then longer lines come naturally.

But overall, this is really great. How long have you been on this tune?

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#1888303 - 04/29/12 10:11 AM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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thanks knots. It's been two weeks in this life. But you know I spent about a year on Autumn leaves previously. smile

The rushing is dreadful isn't it? I'm not really aware how bad it is till I listen to the recording. Anyone would think I was waging war on the metronome.
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#1888350 - 04/29/12 12:13 PM Re: Join the JOI jazz joint ! [Re: custard apple]
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well being conscious of it, you've already won the battle half way. I do it too, and I generally don't know :-) Not until I listen back anyway.

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