Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) Pianoteq
Latest Pianoteq add-on instrument: U4 upright piano
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
PianoSupplies.com (150)
Piano Accessories Music Related Gifts Piano Tuning Equipment Piano Moving Equipment
We now offer Gift Certificates in our online store!
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Page 3 of 3 < 1 2 3
Topic Options
#1812740 - 12/26/11 04:58 PM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: jazzwee]
EssBrace Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/01/09
Posts: 2393
Loc: Suffolk, United Kingdom
Yes, it's good to have him back!
_________________________
Yamaha CP1

Top
(ads) Sweetwater / PR /Roland
Your Next Keyboard is at Sweetwater

Pearl River World's Best Selling Piano

Click Here


#1812967 - 12/27/11 01:23 AM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: PianoZac]
jazzwee Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/25/07
Posts: 7060
Loc: So. California
Originally Posted By: ZacharyForbes
Welcome to club red! I love my Nord instruments. Still using them all the time. Starting a new jazz trio in January and gonna hit the music performance career hard this year and I'm totally confident and totally equipped with my Nord Piano for all my piano work, both in and out of the studio. Like you said, if you've got a real piano, don't worry about loss of technique playing the Nord. I practice almost exclusively on my AvantGrand and do the gigging on the NP88. I purchased the Nord Gig Bags for both of my Nords and they are NICE. Well worth it. Built first class and attention to detail is second to none. I expect that though coming from a company like Nord. smile


Zachary, it's good you chimed in because you're the influence to move from SN Pianos to the Nord.

I don't think I'd lose technique from the Nord, even if I use it for practice. I like the weight on the keys. Substantial. Much more so than the FP7F. I think the Roland goes down too fast.

But what's forgiving about the sample is that you can't make it sound bad. There's no dynamic range that gives you poor tone (like the metallic sound at the higher dynamic ranges of the SN pianos).

I feel like I'm cheating smile It's too easy to sound like Keith Jarrett. If I can only do that on a real piano...LOL.
_________________________
Hamburg Steinway O, Nord Electro 4 HP
My Blog

Top
#1813018 - 12/27/11 08:25 AM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: PianoZac]
Melodialworks Music Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/19/05
Posts: 1309
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: ZacharyForbes
Starting a new jazz trio in January and gonna hit the music performance career hard this year and I'm totally confident and totally equipped with my Nord Piano for all my piano work, both in and out of the studio.


Got any recording examples from your Nord that you can share?
_________________________
Melodialworks Music
Yamaha C3X
Yamaha CP300 + Omnisphere
Yamaha NU1 + Production Grand

Top
#1813054 - 12/27/11 09:46 AM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: Melodialworks Music]
maduro Offline
Full Member

Registered: 12/07/11
Posts: 276
gotta love that fire engine red.

Top
#1814251 - 12/29/11 06:05 AM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: jazzwee]
rnaple Offline

Silver Supporter until April 24 2014


Registered: 12/23/10
Posts: 1986
Loc: Rocky Mountains
Congratulations Jazzwee!
Been paying attention to your other thread on sound. Don't want to muck that up with an inquiry. When you get in some good time with your new Nord. Please let me know what you think of the key action itself.
To back up a little. I haven't ever played a Nord. From my understanding. The keys on the Nord are very much like the keys on a Korg SP250. That is....both have payed attention to what is most important in the key action without having to spend a ton on an actual grand piano key action in there. Not to mention weight and size. Please correct me, anyone, if I am incorrect here?

After you trying others. Now playing this. I'd like to know what you think. Take your time. Get in experience and get used to it. I know what you have already said about easy to change back and forth from your Grand to this. I'd like to know, in the end, if others agree with me that this type of keybed in a piano keyboard is actually the best trade off. Yes, I do mean for a portable stage piano keyboard. Not comparing this to something like an Avantgrand with actual piano keys in it.

Again....congratulations...sounds like you pulled the trigger right!


Edited by rnaple (12/29/11 06:06 AM)
_________________________
Ron
Your brain is a sponge. Keep it wet. Mary Gae George
The focus of your personal practice is discipline. Not numbers. Scott Sonnon

Top
#1814484 - 12/29/11 02:09 PM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: jazzwee]
jazzwee Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/25/07
Posts: 7060
Loc: So. California
Ron, I've read various comments about people wanting a "heavy" setting on keyboard. So from this I was expecting some light feeling keys.

But the opposite is true. The keys feel pretty substantial. Certainly, it is significantly heavier than the Roland FP7F. Side by side (or top/bottom in my case), the FP7F almost accelerates down as you press on key. No friction whatsoever. The Nord is more realistic to me. There's actual friction going down which is to be expected of a real piano. This allows more control to me.

I noticed my LH chords are more easily controlled with the Nord than with the FP7F.

With the keys being heavier, I thought I'd need the 'light' setting. Haven't used it once and I'm playing 16th's without any issue.

Now this is still a DP and it still doesn't compare in feel to a real Steinway. But the closeness in weight feel to the grand is reassuring. For many people, this action would be heavy and in which case they might use the 'light' setting.

Like I said earlier, the weight of the keys seem to be similar to the Casio Privias. Not exactly the same feel going down but just the general weight. I haven't played a Casio in awhile so this is just a gut feel.

In summary, I have no problem with this action at all and this is coming from someone with the new Roland PHA III with escapement right next to it. I'm actually surprised because of all the negative comments I've read.

I may change my perception as I play more but this is how it stands after a few days. I'd say that so far, I've made a perfect choice for a Stage piano.
_________________________
Hamburg Steinway O, Nord Electro 4 HP
My Blog

Top
#1814552 - 12/29/11 03:39 PM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: jazzwee]
PianoZac Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/22/10
Posts: 1422
Jazzwee, I feel the Nord Piano action, while not in the league of the MP10 or certainly not my N1 or other real grand actions, it is just as responsive and very playable. It also weighs 39lbs, and is still able to accomplish a good solid action with an amazing sound engine. I find at gigs, the longer I play on it the more I like it. I think it's a fantastic compromise for piano and EP playing.
_________________________
Yamaha AvantGrand N1
Nord Piano 2


"Be who you are and say how you feel. Because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Top
#1814563 - 12/29/11 03:50 PM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: jazzwee]
jazzwee Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/25/07
Posts: 7060
Loc: So. California
Zachary, it's good to know I'm not alone.

I was just trying it out a moment ago and it's almost like the weight is graduated. Less at top and more as you reach bottom. Maybe this is why it works for me.

I can sense where I am. I can certainly feel where I am in a real grand action but I can't explain what allows me to feel that I'm getting the right velocity.

In contrast, I feel the weight is completely even on the Roland PHA III. Only the escapement notifies me I'm nearing bottom. Nothing tactile to alert me.

This is all a guess as it is hard to describe. I'll play around with the Roland vs. Nord tonight again some more to see if I have a better description.
_________________________
Hamburg Steinway O, Nord Electro 4 HP
My Blog

Top
#1814914 - 12/30/11 12:41 AM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: jazzwee]
jazzwee Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/25/07
Posts: 7060
Loc: So. California
Had some more time to compare the action of the Nord Piano vs. Roland PHA III on the FP7F.

I tried it several times and I really feel that the weight on the Nord keys is graded so that the first couple of millimeters seem to be lighter than when you get to the bottom.

Secondly the Nords keys are deeper than the Roland's.

The Roland hits bottom pretty hard. The Nord has more resistance at the bottom so it's hard to bang on it.

Now with power turned off, the Roland's action seemed smoother while the lack of hard contact on the bottom of the Nord makes you want to push harder. This is also the moment that it is clearly apparent that the Nord keys have more resistance than the Roland PHA III.

With the sound on, I felt the exact opposite. The response curve on the Nord gives you max sound without having to worry about hitting bottom. On the Roland, you always hit bottom.`

This is all theoretical at this point so I tried playing some fast lines and I floundered on the Roland but played flawlessly on the Nord. I can definitely say then that theoretical issues aside, in actual playing, the Nord keyboard is superior to the Roland.

I have no idea if this has to do with velocity response curves or the physical behavior of the action. I used the default setting for both keyboards.

I even tried a little bit of Chopin Etude 10/1 on the Nord and I had better accuracy and control (and no I will not record it... smile ).

Separately, I banged hard on each key and compared the tone with the Nord. The FP7F really does have a nice tone until you hit a certain velocity in the middle C octave. That's where this awful metallic sound is. It's not there in the upper registers.

It also gets harsh and thin at the higher velocities while the Nord never does that.
_________________________
Hamburg Steinway O, Nord Electro 4 HP
My Blog

Top
#1814990 - 12/30/11 06:26 AM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: jazzwee]
rnaple Offline

Silver Supporter until April 24 2014


Registered: 12/23/10
Posts: 1986
Loc: Rocky Mountains
May I ask you to do a little test?
Just tap on a key lightly. Just enough to get it to move. Right at the very start. Do you find a realistic resistance that lets off to very light? Like a real piano picking up the hammer?

Yes I'd agree with a similar keybed that many have said is the exact same. But it isn't (korg RH3). Although I haven't said it before. It does increase resistance toward the bottom. Like pressing on a key with a real piano hammer movement.

Yes, I've heard all the whining about klunky and so forth on both. But what the heck do people expect? It's like you said: It's easy to go back to the real piano from this. Why? The feel of the resistance is true to life. And yes... I do like my CDP-100. Not as much as the RH3 action I've tested though.

I really had to stay true to myself in admitting I liked the RH3 action of the Korg. I'm expecting the same in the Nord. That Nord you got is a whole bunch more instrument. smile
_________________________
Ron
Your brain is a sponge. Keep it wet. Mary Gae George
The focus of your personal practice is discipline. Not numbers. Scott Sonnon

Top
#1814991 - 12/30/11 06:40 AM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: rnaple]
Aidan Offline
Full Member

Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 372
Loc: UK
Originally Posted By: rnaple
May I ask you to do a little test? Just tap on a key lightly. Just enough to get it to move. Right at the very start. Do you find a realistic resistance that lets off to very light? Like a real piano picking up the hammer?


I also have a NP and the answer to your question is no. The phenomenon you're describing is only present in DPs which simulate a grand piano escapement mechanism. The Nord is not among these.
_________________________
Yamaha CP40 | Hammond SK1-61 | Kurzweil PC361

Top
#1814996 - 12/30/11 06:49 AM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: jazzwee]
rnaple Offline

Silver Supporter until April 24 2014


Registered: 12/23/10
Posts: 1986
Loc: Rocky Mountains
Perhaps I am just rationalizing the heaviness of the initial feel of the key? I don't find this as a big presence in the feel. I have to keep honest with myself and say it does feel that way.

Please don't let me carry on in thinking the nord and korg RH3 are extremely similar. I can only go on what others have said on the Nord and Korg. I have only felt the Korg RH3.
_________________________
Ron
Your brain is a sponge. Keep it wet. Mary Gae George
The focus of your personal practice is discipline. Not numbers. Scott Sonnon

Top
#1815000 - 12/30/11 07:12 AM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: jazzwee]
Aidan Offline
Full Member

Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 372
Loc: UK
I previously had a Korg SV-1 with the RH3 action. I wouldn't say they were "extremely" similar. To me, the Nord (Fatar) action is much more responsive and fluid than the SV-1's, which always felt somewhat sluggish in the return to me.
_________________________
Yamaha CP40 | Hammond SK1-61 | Kurzweil PC361

Top
#1815176 - 12/30/11 12:58 PM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: Aidan]
jazzwee Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/25/07
Posts: 7060
Loc: So. California
Originally Posted By: Aidan
Originally Posted By: rnaple
May I ask you to do a little test? Just tap on a key lightly. Just enough to get it to move. Right at the very start. Do you find a realistic resistance that lets off to very light? Like a real piano picking up the hammer?


I also have a NP and the answer to your question is no. The phenomenon you're describing is only present in DPs which simulate a grand piano escapement mechanism. The Nord is not among these.


rnaple, I was a little confused by your description here because escapement is at the bottom, not the top.

But Aidan is right. Escapement is present on the Roland PHA III. It is not something you'd find on the Nord.

When playing really lightly like in classical, Escapement gives a nice confirmation of the bottom. But on anything with more velocity I need some better confirmation of where I am in the key range and for whatever reason, the Nord (Fatar) action let's me feel that I'm reaching bottom. On the PHA III, I'll just blast right through and there might be occasions that I'll play a chord louder and with less control than I would on a real grand.

Again, I'm not sure why this is. I'm guessing it's the graded resistance but all I know for sure is that it translates to better playing. Here's a Keyboard action that doesn't get much positive press and I'm playing it better than the better marketed PHA III with escapement and ivory feel.

And PHA III is top of the line supposedly. Goes to show that there's more to it and a lot we don't quite understand.
_________________________
Hamburg Steinway O, Nord Electro 4 HP
My Blog

Top
#1815589 - 12/30/11 09:32 PM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: jazzwee]
Dr Popper Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/30/09
Posts: 1718
Loc: Hancock Park LA (not again)
Reading all this .... I've pulled out the Nord Stage 2 and put it on a stand. I'm going to download some sounds tonight and give it another go.
_________________________
"I'm still an idiot and I'm still in love" - Blue Sofa - The Plugz 1981 (Tito Larriva)
Disclosure : I am professionally supported by but not beholden to various musical instrument manufactures including Yamaha

Top
#1815645 - 12/30/11 11:16 PM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: Dr Popper]
Dave Ferris Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/12/07
Posts: 1728
Loc: Glendale, Ca.
I like the Nord piano sounds and the action connection better then the Kronos on both the NP88 & NS 2 88.

The Kronos is very good (if & when it's working right wink ) but to my ears it still has a bit of a "veil" over the sound that resembles that processed synth, digital vibe to me. Speaking only of the APs obviously-synth and organ stuff are a whole other world. wink The Nord sounds and feels more earthy or organic to me...

I think the rhodes on the Korg are superior in sound to the NP88 ( I prefer the Nord Wurli) but as an overall instrument, I'd still have to go with the NP.

Curious to see what you think DP. I've had some very positive live gig, and live group playing in the studio, experiences just within the past two weeks with the NP88.
_________________________
http://soundcloud.com/dave-ferris

2005 NY Steinway D, Yamaha CP5, CP4, Nord Piano 2
RCF TT08A & TT22A speakers


Top
#1815679 - 12/31/11 12:15 AM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: Dave Ferris]
Melodialworks Music Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/19/05
Posts: 1309
Loc: Canada
Dave -

Have you ever used the Kawai MP10 as a controller for the Nord Piano? Superior keybed / action of the MP10, combined with the superior a. piano sound of the NP, methinks.

Lawrence
_________________________
Melodialworks Music
Yamaha C3X
Yamaha CP300 + Omnisphere
Yamaha NU1 + Production Grand

Top
#1815729 - 12/31/11 02:50 AM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: jazzwee]
rnaple Offline

Silver Supporter until April 24 2014


Registered: 12/23/10
Posts: 1986
Loc: Rocky Mountains
I greatly appreciate you all's input on this. I wasn't trying to deceive, or manipulate any thoughts. Just being honest. Also..in all honesty...I might be rationalizing? I look forward to trying out a Nord Piano someday.

I do also have to admit. From my days as an audiophile. It seems the very best is always underrated and has conservative info. advertising. They just let it speak for itself. In the end, it does so impressively. Just have to find out for yourself.
_________________________
Ron
Your brain is a sponge. Keep it wet. Mary Gae George
The focus of your personal practice is discipline. Not numbers. Scott Sonnon

Top
#1815739 - 12/31/11 03:57 AM Re: Pulled the Trigger on a Nord Piano 88 [Re: Dave Ferris]
EssBrace Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/01/09
Posts: 2393
Loc: Suffolk, United Kingdom
Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
The Nord sounds and feels more earthy or organic to me...


A good description!
_________________________
Yamaha CP1

Top
Page 3 of 3 < 1 2 3

Moderator:  Piano World 
What's Hot!!
Our latest Issue is available now...
Piano News - Interesting & Fun Piano Related Newsletter! (free)
-------------------
HOW TO POST PICTURES on the Piano Forums
-------------------
Sharing is Caring!
About the Buttons
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Knabe Pianos
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Who's Online
154 registered (accordeur, A Guy, ando, 47 invisible), 1905 Guests and 16 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
75564 Members
42 Forums
156229 Topics
2294487 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Is a Yamaha P35 appropriate for church services?
by Giancarlo Robles
Today at 03:59 PM
Need suggestions for Music Room
by Gatsbee13
Today at 03:39 PM
Questioning the Wisdom of Heavy Actions
by Dwscamel
Today at 12:52 PM
What do you think made you passionate about music/piano?
by Spuds
Today at 11:45 AM
Tune lab question
by RonTuner
Today at 11:32 AM
(ads by Google)

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission