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#1809566 - 12/20/11 08:57 PM Artur Rubinstein
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Hard to believe it has been 29 years today. One of my favorites from my favorite pianist of all time.


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#1809574 - 12/20/11 09:11 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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Damon, he was a champion of Chopin's music. Which Chopin performance of his do you like the best? laugh
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#1809577 - 12/20/11 09:14 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: liszt85]
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Call me crazy, but I'm not a fan of his Chopin. Let me think about that for awhile. In the meantime:

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#1809581 - 12/20/11 09:19 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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Hard to believe indeed.

Originally Posted By: Damon
Call me crazy, but I'm not a fan of his Chopin.

Damon, you're crazy. grin
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#1809582 - 12/20/11 09:23 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: liszt85]
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Originally Posted By: liszt85
Damon, he was a champion of Chopin's music. Which Chopin performance of his do you like the best? laugh


Oh wait a minute, I didn't see that smiley the first time. You want me to discuss recordings of THAT composer. ha I'll take a short break from my Chopin-free holiday to offer this piece. It has the advantage of being my favorite Chopin piece but I do think it is played wonderfully.

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#1809586 - 12/20/11 09:30 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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A complete album collection is scheduled to be released January 31st. I'm not positive that it is the same as the prohibitively expensive box set, but if it is, it will be mine. Perhaps Hank Drake will read this as he seems to be expert in things of this sort.
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#1809601 - 12/20/11 09:51 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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IMO, one of Chopin's greatest works, and played beautifully by Rubinstein.


I don't have a lot of Rubinsten in my library, but I did collect a number of the chamber music volumes in the massive RCA reissue. He was almost nonpareil as a chamber player. His recording of the Dvorak Eb Piano Quartet is particularly wonderful, and the piece itself is a favourite of mine. Offhand, I didn't see it on YT (mostly the A major Quintet), but it is worth searching out.
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#1809603 - 12/20/11 09:55 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: liszt85]
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Damon, he was a champion of Chopin's music. Which Chopin performance of his do you like the best? laugh

I never thought of Rubinstein as a champion of Chopin's music, though he's associated with it. Chopin has always been so popular that it never needed an advocate. Make that *most* Chopin, anyway. A significant number of pieces have rarely been recorded by anyone, and I think a real 'champion' would have done so. Rubinstein's on record as identifying his favorite composer as Brahms.
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#1809610 - 12/20/11 10:03 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
....I'll take a short break from my Chopin-free holiday to offer this piece. It has the advantage of being my favorite Chopin piece but I do think it is played wonderfully....

One of my faves too (top 2 or 3 for sure), but I'd have to say it's the worst job Ruby ever did with a Chopin piece. ha

If I had never heard anyone else play it and didn't have a completely different idea of it, I'd think it was excellent. But having the different kind of idea, I think it's borderline terrible. smile

P.S. My rating scale for someone like Rubinstein is a tough one. When I say "terrible" I mean it's sort of like an A-. grin

Because most of his Chopin I'd give A+++.
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#1809616 - 12/20/11 10:15 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
....I'll take a short break from my Chopin-free holiday to offer this piece. It has the advantage of being my favorite Chopin piece but I do think it is played wonderfully....

One of my faves too (top 2 or 3 for sure), but I'd have to say it's the worst job Ruby ever did with a Chopin piece. ha

If I had never heard anyone else play it and didn't have a completely different idea of it, I'd think it was excellent. But having the different kind of idea, I think it's borderline terrible. smile

P.S. My rating scale for someone like Rubinstein is a tough one. When I say "terrible" I mean it's sort of like an A-. grin

Because most of his Chopin I'd give A+++.


That is funny. I know your favorite recording of the piece is by that blind guy, which I think is awful, but we both like Horowitz here. Curious.
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#1809627 - 12/20/11 10:31 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: pianomie]
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Originally Posted By: pianomie
Rubinstein's on record as identifying his favorite composer as Brahms.


Indeed. Here is his treatment of a popular piece around here. I think there are a couple takes in the "member recordings" section.

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#1809631 - 12/20/11 10:36 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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I think this a rather odd performance of this piece. (I've been working forever on this one)

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#1809640 - 12/20/11 10:43 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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I LOVE Rubinstein's Brahms recordings!! I have some of his Brahms recordings and they are fantastic. I think his Chopin is great, too.


Edited by Orange Soda King (12/20/11 10:44 PM)

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#1809664 - 12/20/11 11:11 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
....I know your favorite recording of the piece is by that blind guy, which I think is awful, but we both like Horowitz here.....

Right, we both like Horowitz on this piece, but you must be thinking of some other member about "that blind guy." I don't even know of any recording of the F# minor Polonaise by a blind guy.
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#1809671 - 12/20/11 11:18 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
I LOVE Rubinstein's Brahms recordings!! I have some of his Brahms recordings and they are fantastic.

I confess I haven't heard (not that I recall) Rubinstein's Brahms concertos, are they any match for Serkin, Giles or Fleisher? And unlikely Richter in the Bb, nor Andsnes (to bring us up to date) in the D minor...
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#1809677 - 12/20/11 11:26 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: argerichfan]
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I confess I haven't heard (not that I recall) Rubinstein's Brahms concertos, are they any match for Serkin, Giles or Fleisher? And unlikely Richter in the Bb, nor Andsnes (to bring us up to date) in the D minor...

DIFFERENT!

In a way I like Rubinstein's better. But the main thing IMO is that you can't really much "compare" Rubinstein's to others; it's just different.
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#1809678 - 12/20/11 11:26 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Hard to believe indeed.

+1

Originally Posted By: Damon
Call me crazy, but I'm not a fan of his Chopin.

Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Damon, you're crazy. grin

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#1809681 - 12/20/11 11:31 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
....I know your favorite recording of the piece is by that blind guy, which I think is awful, but we both like Horowitz here.....

Right, we both like Horowitz on this piece, but you must be thinking of some other member about "that blind guy." I don't even know of any recording of the F# minor Polonaise by a blind guy.


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#1809684 - 12/20/11 11:36 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: liszt85
Damon, he was a champion of Chopin's music. Which Chopin performance of his do you like the best? laugh


Oh wait a minute, I didn't see that smiley the first time. You want me to discuss recordings of THAT composer. ha


wink You got it.
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#1809686 - 12/20/11 11:38 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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Yes, his Brahms is great too. In fact, give me anything by him and I'll be happy to listen to it. His playing at 80+ is what really amazes me! Argerich might do it, we'll have to wait and see. Not too many others that can play like that at that age!
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#1809689 - 12/20/11 11:42 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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For my money, it doesn't get better than this performance of Chopin's Barcarolle. The tone, the touch, the expression... Simply amazing.

Rubinstein - Chopin Barcarolle

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#1809698 - 12/20/11 11:58 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
I think this a rather odd performance of this piece. (I've been working forever on this one)

I agree with you, Damon. I've always been a devotee of Rubinstein but I did not like his rendition of 119/3. He made it into a romantic piece when I think it should sound more like a scherzo.
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#1809702 - 12/21/11 12:05 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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No, it was you. Bad joke alert.
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Oh OK -- my bad.

(I mean I don't really think so, but what the heck, I'll take the blame.) ha


P.S. Great memory!!!
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#1809705 - 12/21/11 12:08 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: didyougethathing]
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For my money, it doesn't get better than this performance of Chopin's Barcarolle. The tone, the touch, the expression... Simply amazing.

Rubinstein - Chopin Barcarolle

Yes! We could quibble about whether it can get better -- I think I'm more partial to Horowitz, but as in that post about the Brahms concerti, it's more like they're just "different" -- but whatever....it's wonderful.
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#1809724 - 12/21/11 12:34 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: gooddog]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
I think this a rather odd performance of this piece. (I've been working forever on this one)

I agree with you, Damon. I've always been a devotee of Rubinstein but I did not like his rendition of 119/3. He made it into a romantic piece when I think it should sound more like a scherzo.


It sounded to me like he couldn't quite decide. Rubinstein usually is much more consistent. I am quite undecided myself about how I want it to sound. At least I can play the notes now. smile
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#1809871 - 12/21/11 10:15 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: argerichfan]
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I LOVE Rubinstein's Brahms recordings!! I have some of his Brahms recordings and they are fantastic.

I confess I haven't heard (not that I recall) Rubinstein's Brahms concertos, are they any match for Serkin, Giles or Fleisher? And unlikely Richter in the Bb, nor Andsnes (to bring us up to date) in the D minor...


Rubinstein's D Minor and B flat major are both great, though I still have to take Firkusny, Serkin, and Ogdon (especially Ogdon in the third movement) for the D minor and de Larrocha (even over Richter) in the B flat.

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#1809912 - 12/21/11 11:37 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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A complete album collection is scheduled to be released January 31st. I'm not positive that it is the same as the prohibitively expensive box set, but if it is, it will be mine. Perhaps Hank Drake will read this as he seems to be expert in things of this sort.


The set has the same contents as the 1999 muy-expensive box, except it does not have the 1964 Moscow recital - which is available elsewhere on both CD and DVD. However, the new set contains three CDs of previously unreleased live performances from Rubinstein's 1961 ten concert marathon at Carnegie Hall. included are four pieces new to Rubinstein's discography: Scriabin's Nocturne for the Left Hand, Debussy's Isle of Joy, Falla's Dance of the Miller's Wife Stravinsky's Three Scenes from Petrouchka. The set is already out at some international sellers.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/K66_4rCFhiQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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#1809914 - 12/21/11 11:39 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Hank Drake]
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The heck with it, I can't get the video to embed. So, here's my old blog post with the video included - some early Rubinstein.

http://hankdrake.blogspot.com/2011/05/rubinstein-revisited.html
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#1809936 - 12/21/11 11:51 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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Did Rubinstein play Albeniz' Iberia? I thought I heard somewhere that he did... Maybe I'm wrong.

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#1809941 - 12/21/11 11:57 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Did Rubinstein play Albeniz' Iberia? I thought I heard somewhere that he did... Maybe I'm wrong.
Yes, he played quite a lot of Spanish music including Iberia. His performances in Spain and his interpretation of Spanish music helped his career tremendously. Navarra was one of his signature pieces.
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#1809942 - 12/21/11 11:57 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Did Rubinstein play Albeniz' Iberia?

Sure. He was considered at least (let's see, what to call it) a semi-specialist in Albeniz and Granados. Some of the pieces are on youtube.

(I see that Deborah beat me to it....) smile


Edited by Mark_C (12/21/11 11:58 AM)
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#1809963 - 12/21/11 12:25 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Rubinstein's D Minor and B flat major are both great, though I still have to take Firkusny, Serkin, and Ogdon (especially Ogdon in the third movement) for the D minor and de Larrocha (even over Richter) in the B flat.

Dunno which are the most readily available or frequently listened to, but in the 1999 box set there are three recordings of Op. 15 (1954, 1964, 1976) and four of Op. 83 (1929, 1952, 1958, 1971).

Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Did Rubinstein play Albeniz' Iberia? I thought I heard somewhere that he did... Maybe I'm wrong.

Unfortunately, only 'EvocaciĆ³n' and 'Triana' are present in the 1999 collection.
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#1809975 - 12/21/11 12:43 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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He's not usually associated with Mozart; however, I'm particulary fond of his recording of Concerto No. 17 with Wallenstein and the RCA Orchestra.

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#1809996 - 12/21/11 01:39 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Did Rubinstein play Albeniz' Iberia?

Sure. He was considered at least (let's see, what to call it) a semi-specialist in Albeniz and Granados. Some of the pieces are on youtube.

(I see that Deborah beat me to it....) smile


Yes! One of the reasons I love him is because he was such a champion of Spanish and Latin American music. I've always had an affinity for this music, and I've studied flamenco in Spain, so it's logical that I love all the classical Spanish composers like Albeniz, who worked in various folk dances and some flamenco styles.

Spanish folk music is that much more removed from the rest of Europe to make it so interesting!

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#1810051 - 12/21/11 03:16 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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I don't know if Rubinstein played the complete Iberia. I doubt it, as it was not his way to play complete cycles of music in his recitals. But from 1916 onward, Spanish music figured generously in his repertoire. Unfortunately, he began dropping many of these pieces from his repertoire after the mid-1950s, so we have very few stereo recordings of Rubinstein in Spanish repertoire. Volume 18 of the 1999 Rubinstein collection is devoted to these works - a must have.
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#1810053 - 12/21/11 03:20 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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On the Brahms Concertos: Rubinstein's recording with Reiner - early stereo from 1954, is generally considered the best of his three recordings of the D minor. There is also a video version from 1973 with Haitink that's quite good.

Rubinstein's early recording of the B-flat with Coates is quite unpolished, but very exciting - it's one of the few performances that actually follows Brahms' metronome markings. But on balance, the 1958 version with Krips is the one to get among his versions.
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#1810096 - 12/21/11 04:24 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Yes, and I actually love his interpretation.
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#1810208 - 12/21/11 07:41 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Hank Drake]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
A complete album collection is scheduled to be released January 31st. I'm not positive that it is the same as the prohibitively expensive box set, but if it is, it will be mine. Perhaps Hank Drake will read this as he seems to be expert in things of this sort.


The set has the same contents as the 1999 muy-expensive box, except it does not have the 1964 Moscow recital - which is available elsewhere on both CD and DVD. However, the new set contains three CDs of previously unreleased live performances from Rubinstein's 1961 ten concert marathon at Carnegie Hall. included are four pieces new to Rubinstein's discography: Scriabin's Nocturne for the Left Hand, Debussy's Isle of Joy, Falla's Dance of the Miller's Wife Stravinsky's Three Scenes from Petrouchka. The set is already out at some international sellers.


That's excellent news! Amazon had it listed on pre-order at $259. About a quarter of the previous box set, which two independent sellers on Amazon are now trying to get $3000 and $5000 respectively.


edit: Thanks for the info and the link to your blog!


Edited by Damon (12/21/11 07:51 PM)
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#1810242 - 12/21/11 08:47 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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When I looked at Amazon earlier today, there was also a used set for around $1,250 in addition to the new ones Damon mentioned. Maybe it's been snapped up already, as most times that I check there are none for sale at all. It's become hard to find.
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#1810260 - 12/21/11 09:44 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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It sounded to me like he couldn't quite decide. Rubinstein usually is much more consistent. I am quite undecided myself about how I want it to sound. At least I can play the notes now. smile

(this was about 119/3)
I don't see the problem. Maybe my problem is that this was the first version of the piece I ever heard smile so, you know how it can be with that. Anyway I think the varying moods and touches are wonderful; it never occurred to me that there was anything wrong with the different ways. IMO he gives each different way its own good character, and it all fits together more than fine.
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#1810277 - 12/21/11 10:25 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Mark_C]
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It sounded to me like he couldn't quite decide. Rubinstein usually is much more consistent. I am quite undecided myself about how I want it to sound. At least I can play the notes now. smile

(this was about 119/3)
I don't see the problem. Maybe my problem is that this was the first version of the piece I ever heard smile so, you know how it can be with that. Anyway I think the varying moods and touches are wonderful; it never occurred to me that there was anything wrong with the different ways. IMO he gives each different way its own good character, and it all fits together more than fine.


This is the first time you've heard this? I started working on this a year or so ago and did that awful thing where I listened to as many recordings of this as I could find. ha Most pianists seem to make this more of a scherzo. I've even read somewhere that this was Brahms lone "happy" piece. A handful took a darker approach. Rubinstein is unique in that he flirts with different moods. It isn't really a problem, it just seems out of character for him.
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#1810286 - 12/21/11 10:30 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: pianomie]
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When I looked at Amazon earlier today, there was also a used set for around $1,250 in addition to the new ones Damon mentioned. Maybe it's been snapped up already, as most times that I check there are none for sale at all. It's become hard to find.


The new set is only missing the concert in Moscow, and according to Hank, includes a bit that wasn't in the set. I think the folks trying to get rid of that old box set are going to have to cut their price drastically. I already have the concert in Moscow and was thinking about getting the DVD anyway.
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#1810289 - 12/21/11 10:32 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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This is the first time you've heard this?...

No no! I said this was the first version I heard.
I meant that I heard it on the LP that this originally came from.
(A while back.) ha

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....Rubinstein is unique in that he flirts with different moods. It isn't really a problem, it just seems out of character for him.

I never thought so; I think it's almost typical for him.

But maybe it's unusual for him to shift moods so rapidly and briefly -- maybe that's exactly what you meant.
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#1810301 - 12/21/11 10:49 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
This is the first time you've heard this?...

No no! I said this was the first version I heard.
I meant that I heard it on the LP that this originally came from.
(A while back.) ha


Vinyl or shellac? laugh

Originally Posted By: Mark_C...still

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....Rubinstein is unique in that he flirts with different moods. It isn't really a problem, it just seems out of character for him.

I never thought so; I think it's almost typical for him.

But maybe it's unusual for him to shift moods so rapidly and briefly -- maybe that's exactly what you meant.


I don't think it's typical but there's no doubt that we hear things differently. wink
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#1810310 - 12/21/11 11:12 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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Vinyl or shellac? laugh

Sorry but put that down as another one I don't get. help

(No idea what the 'shellac' is about....)

Edit: Oh OK -- shellac would be if I was even more ancient. ha
Never knew the older records were made of different stuff.


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#1810314 - 12/21/11 11:24 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Mark_C]
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Vinyl or shellac? laugh

Sorry but put that down as another one I don't get. help

(No idea what the 'shellac' is about....)

Edit: Oh OK -- shellac would be if I was even more ancient. ha
Never knew the older records were made of different stuff.


Maybe I'm the ancient one. I had shellac records until my father threw them away.
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#1810339 - 12/22/11 12:17 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Mark_C]
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I didn't know either and had to look it up.

Shellac

Shellac 78s are brittle, and must be handled carefully. In the event of a 78 breaking, the pieces might remain loosely connected by the label and still be playable if the label holds them together, although there is a loud "pop" with each pass over the crack, and breaking of the stylus is likely.

Breakage was very common in the shellac era. In the 1934 John O'Hara novel, Appointment in Samarra, the protagonist "broke one of his most favorites, Whiteman's Lady of the Evening ... He wanted to cry but could not." A poignant moment in J. D. Salinger's 1951 novel The Catcher in the Rye occurs after the adolescent protagonist buys a record for his younger sister but drops it and "it broke into pieces ... I damn near cried, it made me feel so terrible." A sequence where a school teacher's collection of 78 rpm jazz records is smashed by a group of rebellious students is a key moment in the film Blackboard Jungle.

Another problem with shellac was that the size of the disks tended to be larger because it was limited to 80-100 groove walls per inch before the risk of groove collapse became too high, whereas vinyl could have up to 260 groove walls per inch.

By the time World War II began, major labels were experimenting with laminated records. As stated above, and in several record advertisements of the period ``the materials that make for a quiet surface (shellacque) are notoriously weak and brittle. Conversely the materials that make for a strong disc (cardboard and other fiber products) are not those known for allowing a quiet noise-free surface.


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#1810343 - 12/22/11 12:24 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Shellac 78s are brittle, and must be handled carefully.....
Breakage was very common in the shellac era....

That I knew. We had 78's back in the day, and I still have some of them, as well as some that I bought later on at vintage record stores. I know that they break much more easily -- and also that the sharp edges can be pretty vicious.

I never thought to wonder if this was related to their being of a different material.
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#1810476 - 12/22/11 08:36 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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Anyway I think the varying moods and touches are wonderful; it never occurred to me that there was anything wrong with the different ways. IMO he gives each different way its own good character, and it all fits together more than fine.

I think most of what Rubinstein does is marked in the score. The only thing I found unusual about the performance was his overall tempo which was slower than many others.

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#1810785 - 12/22/11 06:35 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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I just picked up a CD of him playing the 4 scherzi and 4 ballades for $6 CAD! Such an awesome deal.
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#1810795 - 12/22/11 06:59 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
Anyway I think the varying moods and touches are wonderful; it never occurred to me that there was anything wrong with the different ways. IMO he gives each different way its own good character, and it all fits together more than fine.

I think most of what Rubinstein does is marked in the score. The only thing I found unusual about the performance was his overall tempo which was slower than many others.


I kind of thought his tempo was all over the place and some of the dynamics were abrupt in a way inconsistent with the score, but I didn't write what you quoted.
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#1810924 - 12/23/11 12:59 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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....I didn't write what [PL] quoted.

Darn right you didn't. ha
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#1827849 - 01/19/12 01:08 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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Hello all.

I recieved the Arthur Rubinstein boxed set last Wednesday. Aside from some quality control issues (which are being corrected by the retailer) I'm very impressed with the set.

I first started buying Rubinstein CDs back in 1986 when I bought my first CD player. Previous to that, I had numerous LPs and even a few 78s. I sold or gave away my old Rubinstein CDs when I bought the 1999 set - the remastering was just so much better. This was especially the case in some of the later concerto recordings which were multi-miked with a vengeance and sounded very unnatural on LP and the early CDs - the piano sounded very dry and in the listener's lap - all very much improved in 1999.

The new set is being touted as having improved remastering from the 1999 set, with the SACD versions used whenever possible. Frankly, I can't tell any difference - it sounded fine in 1999 and still does. But the "new" material has to be heard to be believed - especially Petrouchka.

Anyway, here's my full review:

http://www.amazon.com/review/RJTC8WETQI5XX/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm
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#1828218 - 01/19/12 10:29 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Hank Drake]
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Great review, Hank. Rubinstein has always been one of my three favorites (Sokolov and Freire being the other two), and he's been there since I first heard him live in 1962.

I was especially surprised to learn that this new set includes a recording of "Three Movements from Petrouchka." The story I had heard long ago was that Rubinstein never performed the piece, even though it was dedicated to him, because he found it so technically difficult as to be unplayable. After reading your review, I went to the source -- Rubinstein's My Many Years -- and found I was misinformed. Rubinstein loved the piece and worked in tandem with Stravinsky while he was composing his "Petrouchka sonata." He played it frequently in concerts around the world in his middle years, but claimed never to have recorded it. His description (from p. 138 of the book) reads in part as follows:

"The manuscript of this Petrushka sonata [delivered to him by Stravinsky] was a regal present, written meticulously in a short, nicely bound book. . . . The first page of the book contained . . . the dedication in Russian: 'To my friend Arthur, a great artist, in full ownership," and his signature. It . . . was very difficult to play. When I made some remarks about a few passages which might retard the dynamic progress of the piece, he said, 'Play it any way you like. I give you carte blanche.' I took advantage of his permission [in live performances] but never made a record of it because I knew my Igor. In a bad mood he might announce: 'Rubinstein betrays my work when her performs it.'

So either he forgot about this recording when he wrote the book, or he hoped others would forget about it. From your description, I doubt it was the latter.

Is there any way to buy a copy of the Petrouchka recording without shelling out the price of a used car for the whole set? I love Rubinstein, but I also love to eat.
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#1828351 - 01/20/12 08:53 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Emanuel Ravelli]
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I was especially surprised to learn that this new set includes a recording of "Three Movements from Petrouchka." The story I had heard long ago was that Rubinstein never performed the piece, even though it was dedicated to him, because he found it so technically difficult as to be unplayable. After reading your review, I went to the source -- Rubinstein's My Many Years -- and found I was misinformed. Rubinstein loved the piece and worked in tandem with Stravinsky while he was composing his "Petrouchka sonata." He played it frequently in concerts around the world in his middle years, but claimed never to have recorded it. His description (from p. 138 of the book) reads in part as follows:

"The manuscript of this Petrushka sonata [delivered to him by Stravinsky] was a regal present, written meticulously in a short, nicely bound book. . . . The first page of the book contained . . . the dedication in Russian: 'To my friend Arthur, a great artist, in full ownership," and his signature. It . . . was very difficult to play. When I made some remarks about a few passages which might retard the dynamic progress of the piece, he said, 'Play it any way you like. I give you carte blanche.' I took advantage of his permission [in live performances] but never made a record of it because I knew my Igor. In a bad mood he might announce: 'Rubinstein betrays my work when her performs it.'

So either he forgot about this recording when he wrote the book, or he hoped others would forget about it. From your description, I doubt it was the latter.

Is there any way to buy a copy of the Petrouchka recording without shelling out the price of a used car for the whole set? I love Rubinstein, but I also love to eat.


Thanks, Emanuel. I think Rubinstein meant that he never recorded Petrouchka under studio conditions.

If Sony goes by their past practices, then these recordings will not be issued separately. Volume 82 of the old Rubinstein box has not been put out on its own, and the 1951 & 1967 recitals on the 2009 Horowitz box are only available as part of the box.
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#1828736 - 01/20/12 08:46 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Hank Drake]
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If Sony goes by their past practices, then these recordings will not be issued separately. Volume 82 of the old Rubinstein box has not been put out on its own, and the 1951 & 1967 recitals on the 2009 Horowitz box are only available as part of the box.


Oh well. Thanks for the unwelcome news. Maybe in another 50 years -- or maybe some enterprising digi-geek will post it on YouTube next week.
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#1828774 - 01/20/12 11:32 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Hank Drake]
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I think Rubinstein meant that he never recorded Petrouchka under studio conditions.

I've certainly never seen a studio recording, and have not even read of the existence of one.

Which brings up some other questions: How long did Rubinstein maintain the Stravinsky in his repertoire? And if he continued to play it, say, into the '50's, might there be a possibility of some long lost live take? It would be an invaluable document.
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#1829294 - 01/21/12 08:21 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: argerichfan]
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Originally Posted By: Hank Drake
I think Rubinstein meant that he never recorded Petrouchka under studio conditions.

I've certainly never seen a studio recording, and have not even read of the existence of one.

Which brings up some other questions: How long did Rubinstein maintain the Stravinsky in his repertoire? And if he continued to play it, say, into the '50's, might there be a possibility of some long lost live take? It would be an invaluable document.


Well, the recording in the new Sony collection is from a Carnegie Hall concert in 1961 - part of the series of ten concerts he gave for charity. So, he played it at least until then - although I've never seen concert programs from later that had that work. With the exception of Debussy, Rubinstein seems to have dropped a lot of his 20th Century repertoire from the 1960s onward.
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#1992457 - 11/29/12 03:07 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Hank Drake]
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#1992465 - 11/29/12 03:22 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: liszt85]
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Damon, he was a champion of Chopin's music. Which Chopin performance of his do you like the best? laugh


No, He's not the best Chopin interpreter. Absolutely NOT.

He can't even compete with Paderewski and Cortot.


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#1992471 - 11/29/12 03:35 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Batuhan]
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List85 is no longer a member and can't answer, but I can't help but say that neither are you the best interpreter of his sentence. A champion does not equal "the" champion.
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#1992472 - 11/29/12 03:37 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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#1992475 - 11/29/12 03:44 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Batuhan]
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Damon, he was a champion of Chopin's music. Which Chopin performance of his do you like the best? laugh


No, He's not the best Chopin interpreter. Absolutely NOT.

He can't even compete with Paderewski and Cortot.


You misunderstand the use of the word "champion" in this context. It means to promote, to advocate, to stand up for; it has nothing to do with being "the best."

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#1992479 - 11/29/12 03:51 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: BruceD]
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Damon, he was a champion of Chopin's music. Which Chopin performance of his do you like the best? laugh


No, He's not the best Chopin interpreter. Absolutely NOT.

He can't even compete with Paderewski and Cortot.


You misunderstand the use of the word "champion" in this context. It means to promote, to advocate, to stand up for; it has nothing to do with being "the best."

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#1992569 - 11/29/12 07:44 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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I have been sitting on the fence deciding if I want to purchase the new, lower priced Rubinstein boxed set. I understand he has many repeats of important work. Even at the low price, I don't know if I want five or six recordings of the same work by the same artist, but still interested because I love Rubinstein's playing. What do you all think? (By the way, even though I think Rubinstein was identified strongly with his Chopin, he was quoted saying his favorite composer was Brahms. This surprised me.)
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#1992579 - 11/29/12 08:11 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Chopinlover49]
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#1992591 - 11/29/12 08:44 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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WOO boy! That is helpful, thanks for sharing! smile


Edited by Orange Soda King (11/29/12 08:44 PM)

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#1992598 - 11/29/12 09:12 PM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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Personally I'd like to hear specifics about his womanizing. I hread he got more p***y than kitty litter.
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#1992644 - 11/30/12 12:47 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Chopinlover49]
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Even at the low price, I don't know if I want five or six recordings of the same work by the same artist, but still interested because I love Rubinstein's playing. What do you all think? (By the way, even though I think Rubinstein was identified strongly with his Chopin, he was quoted saying his favorite composer was Brahms. This surprised me.)


It's only about 4 recordings of each work. laugh But there is quite a difference between Rubinstein in the late 20's/early 30's when he was just a youngster in his 40's and the more mature recordings of the 50's through the 70's. There are about 7 volumes of the 'young' stuff that is incredible to my ears. What a wonder he must have been to see in concert back at the turn of the [last] century
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#1992646 - 11/30/12 12:56 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Ralph]
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Personally I'd like to hear specifics about his womanizing. I hread he got more p***y than kitty litter.


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#1992648 - 11/30/12 01:04 AM Re: Artur Rubinstein [Re: Damon]
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To Damon's most recent post: I agree! Anything and everything Rubinstein I enjoy. smile

And to Ralph's post that Bruce quoted: Why are you interested in somebody else's womanizing? Although, the cheap 20-year-old in me has to say that analogy did make me chuckle a little.

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"...Even at the low price, I don't know if I want five or six recordings of the same work by the same artist, but still interested because I love Rubinstein's playing..."

It can be interesting to listen to the same Chopin work(s), interpreted by different artists, played one after the other (I have tried this; easy to do in this digital age, and worthwhile if you're realistic about your stamina). And who can say, the same might be true for the same work played by the same artist at different decades... if you have the attention span for it.

It might be like saying, "If you liked one dish of ice cream, then you might like ten." At least, with Chopin, you don't have to worry about your waistline.
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