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#1824758 - 01/14/12 01:08 PM Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX
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I am almost ready to pull the trigger on a Roland FP7F but I thought I would double-check a couple of things before I do so.

Here are some things for your perusal and if you should desire ... comments concerning this purchase.

I have never played the FP7F.

I have played the RD700NX and liked the touch of the keybed.
I also liked the sound with headphones.

It has been said that the FP7F is the home version of the RD700NX.

They both appear to employ the Supernatural sound engine.

They both appear to have the PHA III keyboard action. Although the FP7F details seems to indicate a difference of some sort with the term "Feel-S" in there.

I have no idea what the speaker sound will be on the FP7F but I assume it is passable. I have external powered monitors if necessary to improve the sound.

I see the 700NX has 3 acoustic piano sounds ... Concert, Studio, and Brilliant. I have yet to find that with the FP7F.

I will be using this digital for in-home use with rare excursions to the outside world.
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#1824777 - 01/14/12 01:25 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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Yes the onboard speakers on FP-7F are passable - but no more than that.

The actions are the same - the slightly different nomenclature relates to the FP-7F having white keys that are all white (other PHA-III actions have a coloured understructure that at a glance looks like wood but is just a different coloured plastic). But it is the same action.

FP-7F pianos are numbered 1, 2 and 3. They are derivatives of the same voice (ie, differently EQ'd) but they are all Supernatural voices. The RD apparently has three distinct SN piano voices.

Good luck,

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#1824785 - 01/14/12 01:34 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: EssBrace]
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Originally Posted By: EssBrace
FP-7F pianos are numbered 1, 2 and 3. They are derivatives of the same voice (ie, differently EQ'd) but they are all Supernatural voices. The RD apparently has three distinct SN piano voices.


Well, that could be a significant difference. I remember selecting the Studio voice in the 700NX and liked it.

I don't think it is a deal breaker, however. I may have to go back and play the 700NX again with that in mind.
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#1824786 - 01/14/12 01:36 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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Can't elaborate further than Steve really. I will say if this is a more home based purchase go with the FP-7F. If this is a more gigging type purchase, go with the RD-700NX. The NX offers more flexibility for on stage use plus a lot more built in sounds.

I'd like to add that if this is a home based purchase and you're looking for a good piano replacement, also check out the Kawai MP10. I think the RM3 Wooden action is a superior action for piano playing but ultimately it's whatever you prefer.

Oops didn't read to the bottom of your post! blush If you have speakers to plug in, I guess it may make more sense to go with the RD-700NX with additional voices.


Edited by ZacharyForbes (01/14/12 02:06 PM)
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#1824794 - 01/14/12 01:43 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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Don,

I concur with everything Steve said. If you liked the RD-700NX, I don't think you'll be disappointed with the 7F. Should you pull the trigger, I'd be very interested to read your thoughts comparing the 7F with your CA63. Having had the MP6 alongside the 7F for a while I found the different approaches taken by Kawai and Roland notable and interesting.

Are you buying the Roland to supplement or supersede the Kawai?
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#1824805 - 01/14/12 01:52 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
Are you buying the Roland to supplement or supersede the Kawai?


I intend to sell the Kawai CA63 in favor of the FP7F.

I love everything about the Kawai except the sound. I have been using software piano sounds and that is working but something in me still yearns for a sound that is coming from the keyboard itself.
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#1824806 - 01/14/12 01:53 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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Originally Posted By: dmd
I remember selecting the Studio voice in the 700NX and liked it.


I think the FP voices are all derivations of what is called concert grand on the RD. If you particularly like the studio grand (and a few people have mentioned it on PW) then I don't think you are going to find a parallel for it on the FP - as you say it may not be deal breaker for you but it's something to be aware of.

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#1824815 - 01/14/12 02:07 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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Originally Posted By: dmd
intend to sell the Kawai CA63 in favor of the FP7F.


Interesting. Looking for a local transaction, then?

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#1824816 - 01/14/12 02:09 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: EssBrace]
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Originally Posted By: EssBrace
If you particularly like the studio grand (and a few people have mentioned it on PW) then I don't think you are going to find a parallel for it on the FP


Well, it appears I am going to have to spend some more time on the 700NX with that Studio voice.

I suppose I could just purchase the 700NX but I was hoping I could make use of the built-in speakers. But in consideration of your comment about them being only "passable" I may end up hooked into my powered monitors all of the time anyway.
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#1824817 - 01/14/12 02:10 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: gvfarns]
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Originally Posted By: gvfarns
Originally Posted By: dmd
intend to sell the Kawai CA63 in favor of the FP7F.


Interesting. Looking for a local transaction, then?


Yes, I am.
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#1824825 - 01/14/12 02:17 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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Originally Posted By: dmd

I suppose I could just purchase the 700NX but I was hoping I could make use of the built-in speakers. But in consideration of your comment about them being only "passable" I may end up hooked into my powered monitors all of the time anyway.


Relative to the space available in the case, I don't think the onboard speakers are that bad in the 7F. They may benefit from some EQ or piano designer tweaking, but I don't bother to hook them up to my monitors because I find them adequate for practice.

It would be nice to have the other SN pianos available, although Grand Piano 2 on the 7F does give you a sound that is a little crisper than the default, and might be more suited to jazz.
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#1824829 - 01/14/12 02:19 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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Yes the speakers are ok. I was surprised with the bass. They are better at the top and bottom ends than in the middle where they are a little bit inarticulate in my opinion. But given their size, and the convenience of them, they are quite alright.

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#1825405 - 01/15/12 03:38 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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I am still gathering information about this possible purchase and I can not find any mention of a nice looking furniture-like stand for the RD 700NX. That would probably be a deal breaker for me since I would be using it primarily for home use.

Can anyone confirm that there is, in fact, no furniture-like stand for the RD 700NX ?
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#1825421 - 01/15/12 04:00 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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The Roland RD-700NX is also one of my DP's I'm interested in buying and I've yet to see any furniture stand that goes with it (unless you custom make it). However, the z stands I've seen on youtube look really sturdy even with a heavy DP on them. As long as the piano doesn't wobble, I'm ok with using a z stand.
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#1825444 - 01/15/12 04:46 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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Did you consider the KS-G8 yet? It is very sturdy and looks great. Just keep in mind that it needs more space behind due to the sloped design. A corner is perfect. Here is mine in action:
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Edited by Amaruk (01/15/12 04:51 PM)
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#1825469 - 01/15/12 05:45 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: Amaruk]
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Originally Posted By: Amaruk
Did you consider the KS-G8 yet? It is very sturdy and looks great. Just keep in mind that it needs more space behind due to the sloped design. A corner is perfect. Here is mine in action:
Thread




That stand looks pretty good. I think I would go for it instead of the Z stand. Looks more solid.

BTW, that thread you inserted has all but convinced me to take the leap to the 700NX instead of the FP7F.

EDIT: Yikes, I just checked on the price of the KS-F8 ... $250 bucks. Pretty salty. I could probably get someone to build me a nice piece of furniture as a stand for that kind of money.


Edited by dmd (01/15/12 05:49 PM)
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#1825486 - 01/15/12 06:18 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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dmd, something like this, perhaps?



Given that you are using software for the piano sounds, I assume you intend to purchase the RD-700NX for the keyboard action, correct?

Cheers,
James
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#1825499 - 01/15/12 06:36 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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Yep that's a a nice looking set up there :-)
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#1825501 - 01/15/12 06:36 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: Kawai James]
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Very nice setup James! What stands are those? I didn't know that the MP10 comes with stands.
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#1825540 - 01/15/12 07:34 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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That photo has 'custom' written all over it (unless, of course, I'm mistaken).

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#1825541 - 01/15/12 07:34 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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Very pretty floor, too!

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#1825557 - 01/15/12 07:51 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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Yes, it's custom made... and a beautiful job too!

http://vkny.wordpress.com/2011/10/25/102/

Personally, I would love to see Kawai produce high quality, real wood stands for the MP10, however I expect sales of CA models would be affected.

Cheers,
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#1825568 - 01/15/12 08:04 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
dmd, something like this, perhaps?


Yes, exactly like that.

However, I doubt that what that looks like could be built for $250.

Regardless, if I eventually get the 700NX, I will look into a setup just like it. Thanks for the visual.



Quote:
Given that you are using software for the piano sounds, I assume you intend to purchase the RD-700NX for the keyboard action, correct?


No, I am doing this in order to get a sound I like that comes from the engine in my keyboard.

The keyboard action is probably inferior to what I now have in that it is pretty light, but it is fine for me. I am not trying to train for playing on an acoustic.

I certainly will utilize my software piano sounds through it but I like the option of having a sound I like right in my keyboard.

Foolish ? Probably. But most things I do with this piano stuff is foolish, financially anyway.



Cheers,
James
x [/quote]


Edited by dmd (01/15/12 08:07 PM)
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#1825846 - 01/16/12 10:42 AM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
dmd, something like this, perhaps?



Given that you are using software for the piano sounds, I assume you intend to purchase the RD-700NX for the keyboard action, correct?

Cheers,
James
x


Definitely a nice LOOKING setup, but fairly confident that the speaker placement is more for convenience and not sound. I personally wasn't happy until I had the monitors with tweeter just below ear level and separated so that the outer side of the speakers were about the outer width of the DP. Speaker placement has a HUGE impact on the sound.

OP, GL and hope you find what you are looking for with the Roland! (I got the FP-7F and love it)

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#1825892 - 01/16/12 11:57 AM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: Gomer]
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Originally Posted By: Gomer
Definitely a nice LOOKING setup, but fairly confident that the speaker placement is more for convenience and not sound. I personally wasn't happy until I had the monitors with tweeter just below ear level and separated so that the outer side of the speakers were about the outer width of the DP. Speaker placement has a HUGE impact on the sound.

My thoughts exactly when I saw the picture. The speakers almost certainly need to move up a shelf.
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#1826100 - 01/16/12 06:24 PM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: Gomer]
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Originally Posted By: Gomer
OP, GL and hope you find what you are looking for with the Roland! (I got the FP-7F and love it)


Thank You. I am constantly vacilating between the FP7F and the 700NX. You have shifted me toward the FP7F again.

The downside of the 700NX now includes .... Extra $1000 cost, No internal speakers, & No furniture stand available for it.
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#1826929 - 01/18/12 06:20 AM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: EssBrace]
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Originally Posted By: EssBrace

FP-7F pianos are numbered 1, 2 and 3. They are derivatives of the same voice (ie, differently EQ'd) but they are all Supernatural voices.
Steve


Are they really all 3 supernatural? Because only Grand Piano 1 is labelled as Supernatural (it's written under Piano 1, no other sounds has that).

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#1826942 - 01/18/12 06:55 AM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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Hi!
Well, I faced a problem with the FP7F. The sound level either from the speakers and the output line was so weak that I decided to give it back to the shop and bought the RD-700NX (this was an year ago). I’m reasonably happy with the output level from the RD-700NX, that as we know doesn't have speakers, I' using an external amplifier an speakers (take a look to other thread in this forum) – it seems to be a characteristic at least with the different Roland digital pianos I tested: all of them offer a very low output level as regards the acoustic piano sounds (and an annoying unbalance between the acoustic piano output levels and all the other sound levels, EPs, organs, etc.. We have to be careful when moving during a perfomance from acoustic pianos to other instruments!).

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#1827002 - 01/18/12 10:03 AM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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Nothing weak about the output of the FP-7F. You can increase the Master Gain setting (in the Functions menu) to as much as +12db (deafening thru the internal spkrs and needed occasionally for house PAs), although unfortunately you can't save it to survive power-off so you have to re-set it every time you turn on your instrument. This becomes second nature after a while.

Also, although in the FP-7F vis-a-vis the 700NX there is only one SN piano sound, if you don't like it or Roland's variations of it in other patches you can change it to your liking pretty drastically if you play around with Equalizer and Piano Designer.

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#1827611 - 01/19/12 03:12 AM Re: Roland FP7F versus Roland RD700NX [Re: dmd]
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You guys considering the RD700nx should do yourself a favor and try the RD300nx too. I've mentioned it here before but when I had to replace my main keyboard, I tried a bunch of them. I like heavy action and I found the 300 to actually have a heavier, more realistic feel than the 700. I know it's just a preference thing, but the 700 keys felt a little sloppy to me. The only other real difference that I could tell is a smaller display and the loss of a layer (the 300 can do 3 layers, the 700 can do 4). The plusses for me was less weight (I play out a lot) and the obvious price difference.

I don't know if others have tried the 300, but for me, I've been happy with it so far (about 6 months). I'll also add that I use virtual pianos at home, but use the internal sounds on the road. For me, the feel is the most important factor when buying a new board and the 300 won me over.
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