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#1828616 - 01/20/12 05:04 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
Thank you, Roland! It is so refreshing to be able to hear the piano, unadulterated. If you're reading, Roland, please do the same for the LX-15.

I've only had a chance to listen on a netbook (no headphones) so far. At first hearing there doesn't seem too much difference between the tonal quality of the HP507 and the FP-7F. The 507 seems to be a very capable DP.


Roland's pricing structure seems a bit odd to me.
The specs of the LX-15 and HP507 seem to be identical but the price for the former is £4249 and £2399 for the latter (including Great Britain's eyewateringly high 20% VAT (sales tax))

That seems a lot for a nicer cabinet but I have to say on the basis of what I have heard on Youtube between the LX-15 sounds significantly more of a step forward than the 507. Curious.

Beethoven this time + heckler / salesman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8DiWCiiqA

The HP503 looks like good value at £1395. It seems to be an FP7-F in console form with extra voices, three pedals and the soundboard modelling feature. But no session partner, looper or mic harmony.
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#1828637 - 01/20/12 05:30 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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Originally Posted By: DazedAndConfused

The HP503 looks like good value at £1395. It seems to be an FP7-F in console form with extra voices, three pedals and the soundboard modelling feature. But no session partner, looper or mic harmony.

Yes at that price it looks on paper like strong competition for the Kawai CN33.

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#1828649 - 01/20/12 05:53 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: ando]
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Originally Posted By: ando
Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Chaps, let's try to keep the discussion on topic, please.



What, I'm not allowed to make a 2 line reply to something that needed correcting anymore?

You can't keep forums on totally on topic all the time. If brief asides are pounced upon it becomes very restrictive and less fun - and EVERYBODY does it sometimes. Yes, even you, James! A discussion about NAMM is bound to veer off course into various products/technologies.


My apologies...perhaps I jumped a little too quickly.
However, it appeared that the discussion may become deteriorate into an argument about the strengths/weaknesses of iLok and dongles.

Back on topic (!), that's a great price for the HP503 - it's the same keyboard action as the FP-7F, yes?

Cheers,
James
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#1828806 - 01/21/12 01:00 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Kawai James]
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#1828813 - 01/21/12 01:19 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Cheers Dave!

Just out of curiosity, what phones were connected to the Nords, Korgs, and Yammies?

I wonder who had the worst phones? wink

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#1828817 - 01/21/12 01:29 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Kawai James]
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#1828820 - 01/21/12 01:51 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris


My highlight was playing the Yamaha CFX6 7'er. Wow what a piano !!!


I do love mine .... but I kept my C7 as well for that "yamaha" sound
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#1828881 - 01/21/12 07:32 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
I was actually quite taken with the piano sound on the MOX8.

Yes, the MOX8/XS piano sound is very musical, to my ears. I did a bunch of gigs this past summer with the MOX and a Kronos, and I chose to use the Yamaha's piano sound. The Yamaha has its imperfections, and there are ways that the Korg may be, in some ways, more accurate, but the Yamaha just sounded and felt better to actually play. Especially after I found some EQ settings I liked.

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#1828883 - 01/21/12 07:39 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Am I correct in thinking that the MOX8 can load new samples (official Yamaha content only?) in a similar way to that of the Nords?

Cheers,
James
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#1828897 - 01/21/12 08:17 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Am I correct in thinking that the MOX8 can load new samples (official Yamaha content only?) in a similar way to that of the Nords?

Sadly, no. Loading samples is one of the big things that differentiates the higher end Motif line from the lower end. So the model with all the MOX sounds plus sample loading (and lots of other stuff) is the Motif XF. (And it's not limited to official Yamaha content, either.) Unfortunately, besides being a lot pricier, they are a lot bigger and heavier to lug around.

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#1828898 - 01/21/12 08:23 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
I was actually quite taken with the piano sound on the MOX8.

Yes, the MOX8/XS piano sound is very musical, to my ears. I did a bunch of gigs this past summer with the MOX and a Kronos, and I chose to use the Yamaha's piano sound. The Yamaha has its imperfections, and there are ways that the Korg may be, in some ways, more accurate, but the Yamaha just sounded and felt better to actually play. Especially after I found some EQ settings I liked.


Which Piano did you use ? The MOX has two I think ?
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#1828913 - 01/21/12 09:35 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dr Popper]
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Which Piano did you use ? The MOX has two I think ?

Although there are some patch variations, AFAIK, there is only one piano sample i the MOX. At any rate, I just used patch 1, with some EQ (and the reverb turned off). I have a video from a gig I've been meaning to put up, I'll try to remember to post back when I do.

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#1829062 - 01/21/12 01:40 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dr Popper]
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#1829164 - 01/21/12 03:55 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Dave how'd that SK5 compare to the CF6? Two extraordinary pianos in their own right. When I bust the music scene wide open, perhaps one of the above will be in my home. smile
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#1829217 - 01/21/12 05:57 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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Originally Posted By: DazedAndConfused
Originally Posted By: voxpops
Thank you, Roland! It is so refreshing to be able to hear the piano, unadulterated. If you're reading, Roland, please do the same for the LX-15.

I've only had a chance to listen on a netbook (no headphones) so far. At first hearing there doesn't seem too much difference between the tonal quality of the HP507 and the FP-7F. The 507 seems to be a very capable DP.


Roland's pricing structure seems a bit odd to me.
The specs of the LX-15 and HP507 seem to be identical but the price for the former is £4249 and £2399 for the latter (including Great Britain's eyewateringly high 20% VAT (sales tax))

That seems a lot for a nicer cabinet but I have to say on the basis of what I have heard on Youtube between the LX-15 sounds significantly more of a step forward than the 507. Curious.

Beethoven this time + heckler / salesman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8DiWCiiqA

The HP503 looks like good value at £1395. It seems to be an FP7-F in console form with extra voices, three pedals and the soundboard modelling feature. But no session partner, looper or mic harmony.





Hi bro:
I wonder if you could kindly post your source of information regarding the price.
For HP series itself I wonder if it's used to replace HP30X series if the price is true.
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#1829405 - 01/21/12 11:38 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: PianoZac]
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#1829417 - 01/22/12 12:12 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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The question is ... do you think the CF6 is closer to a S6 or a American Steinway C in sound ? I think its far more Steinway (with a Japanese twist) then anything Yamaha has ever done before.
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#1829436 - 01/22/12 01:13 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dr Popper]
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#1829585 - 01/22/12 09:50 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris

I think you meant a Hamburg/German C, there is no NY Steinway C except from the early 1900s.

Nah I think meant a B ... around a 7 footer. I think the C's are 7'6" or thereabouts are very euro sounding.
Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris

In any case that CF6 was one heck of a nice piano that I would love to have in my living room

Yes its nice alright but I'm sorry I didn't put up more of a fight with my "lovely" bride to get another 2 foot wink
She puts up with enough keyboards in the house so what's another 2 feet really ?
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#1829600 - 01/22/12 10:30 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Why doesn't the American market get Steinway C pianos? I'm guessing they'd do pretty well with all the colleges, churches, etc. .
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#1829913 - 01/22/12 07:29 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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#1829915 - 01/22/12 07:32 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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How absolutely wonderous, however my pessimistic mind immediately realises that the hammers would be travelling horizontally like in an upright piano, so it would not be a proper grand action. Drats!!! ;^)

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#1830391 - 01/23/12 03:36 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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The Roland FP-7F page bills the instrument as having a PHAIII Ivory Feel-S action, but the new HP500 series is divided up into PHAIII and Ivory Feel-S as two distinct things, so which action in the new keyboards is closest to the FP-7F?

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#1830456 - 01/23/12 05:05 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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The HP-503.
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