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#1827817 - 01/19/12 12:31 PM NAMM 2012 Announcements
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It might be useful to consolidate information in one thread, so here goes.

If you have links to new DPs, Synths etc., please post them.

Here's the new Studiologic Sledge:
http://www.studiologic-music.com/sledge.html
I'll refrain from making any comment that pertains to previous Studiologic experiences...

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#1827821 - 01/19/12 12:36 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Roland HP500 series:
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#1827824 - 01/19/12 12:38 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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All Yamaha new products:
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#1827827 - 01/19/12 12:41 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Casio XW-P1 and XW-G1:
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#1827845 - 01/19/12 01:03 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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For all you Keytar player wannabes:
Alesis Vortex

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#1827853 - 01/19/12 01:14 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
Casio XW-P1 and XW-G1:
Casio Synths

The Synthtopia user comments are absolutely hilarious:

"Hey Casio, the 90s called, they want their failed paradigms back!"
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#1827858 - 01/19/12 01:18 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
All Yamaha new products:
Yamaha

Other than the NU1, the Yamaha DP department seems to be dead / asleep / laid-off.
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#1827859 - 01/19/12 01:19 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
Here's the new Studiologic Sledge:
http://www.studiologic-music.com/sledge.html
I'll refrain from making any comment that pertains to previous Studiologic experiences...

Then allow me! smile They probably should have named it "Sludge".
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#1827868 - 01/19/12 01:26 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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I was going to say the name fits because id take a hammer to it :P

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#1827869 - 01/19/12 01:27 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: dewster]
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Originally Posted By: dewster
Other than the NU1, the Yamaha DP department seems to be dead / asleep / laid-off.


What the...?

Dude, I thought the post about it in the other thread was joking or expressing wishful thinking (it doesn't seem to be in their list of annoucements). The NU1 is a real thing. Interesting and surprizing!

Looks like it would weigh almost as much as an acoustic upright, though. Trying to take on the CS6/CS9 I guess.


Edited by gvfarns (01/19/12 01:34 PM)

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#1827875 - 01/19/12 01:33 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
I'll refrain from making any comment that pertains to previous Studiologic experiences...


Heh. Heh. I think you just did!
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#1827877 - 01/19/12 01:35 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Melodialworks Music]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
I'll refrain from making any comment that pertains to previous Studiologic experiences...


Heh. Heh. I think you just did!


Oops! How did that happen?

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#1827884 - 01/19/12 01:39 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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For the gigging piano player, it looks like Nord is the only one with anything new (and even then, there's not really anything new in its piano functionality). Nothing from Roland, Kawai, Kurweil, Yamaha, Casio, Numa, or (apart for new cosmetics) Korg. Unless I've missed something, or there's something that hasn't been reported yet. (Casio does have some interesting new boards, but not in the piano realm.)

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#1827889 - 01/19/12 01:46 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: anotherscott]
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What a letdown:
SV-1
I was really hoping.

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#1827894 - 01/19/12 01:50 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
What a letdown:
SV-1
I was really hoping.


I agree, but it is the kind of update the red-haters would have liked from Nord!
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#1827909 - 01/19/12 02:05 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Somewhat OT (SN drums):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQEMAt0nEVE

Is it my imagination, or is Roland the only company doing any real innovation lately? It's products like this that really get me excited about synthesis again.
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#1827910 - 01/19/12 02:06 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Roland has a new arranger board the BK-5 LINK
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#1827912 - 01/19/12 02:08 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
What a letdown:
SV-1
I was really hoping.

New Colours For Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano
"Choose from black-on-black or a retro-red body and reverse-colour keys"

What, no new key grease? I guess we're down to mostly just funky new paint jobs this NAMM.
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#1827915 - 01/19/12 02:12 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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#1827921 - 01/19/12 02:24 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Yes, new sound systems from Roland. They were required to be honest. The HP-307 doesn't really sound that great from the player's perspective. But SN and PHA-III remain just the same (no bad thing of course).
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#1827922 - 01/19/12 02:25 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: EssBrace]
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#1827924 - 01/19/12 02:26 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Jeez, all the preliminary reports about new keyboards/dps are pretty dismal.


I think I agree - not really very much to see here.....
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#1827925 - 01/19/12 02:27 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Jeez, all the preliminary reports about new keyboards/dps are pretty dismal. I'm not sure it's even worth my time to go down there and hassle with that whole mess. I'd probably feel better just staying home and practicing...


A sign of conservative financial times, perhaps? It is pretty underwhelming. There isn't one product I'm excited about yet.

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#1827929 - 01/19/12 02:30 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: dewster]
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The LX15 has just joined the short list. Youtube sound etc etc but this is an impressive demo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CNmuFEo0X8w

and the early piano sounds could be a useful advantage over my first choice V-Piano.
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#1827937 - 01/19/12 02:35 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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Originally Posted By: DazedAndConfused
The LX15 has just joined the short list. Youtube sound etc etc but this is an impressive demo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CNmuFEo0X8w

and the early piano sounds could be a useful advantage over my first choice V-Piano.

From what I can hear, it sounds very nice. I do wish they could shut up for more than the last three or four seconds. Why do they never want us to hear their instruments properly?

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#1827939 - 01/19/12 02:37 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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#1827942 - 01/19/12 02:44 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
Originally Posted By: DazedAndConfused
The LX15 has just joined the short list. Youtube sound etc etc but this is an impressive demo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CNmuFEo0X8w

and the early piano sounds could be a useful advantage over my first choice V-Piano.

From what I can hear, it sounds very nice. I do wish they could shut up for more than the last three or four seconds. Why do they never want us to hear their instruments properly?


+100000

I hope / expect they will use the performance as an audio demo later. Roland aren't bad when it comes to audio demos but their videos are cheesily dire.
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#1827945 - 01/19/12 02:48 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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You clearly haven't seen Kawai Europe's offerings - truly dreadful.
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#1827949 - 01/19/12 02:55 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris


I wish that guy would shut up !! That young lady is burning on the Ravel (?). It's hard to hear her with the sales spiel going on. Let her playing and the sound of the instrument speak for itself.......


It's Debussy, but yeah, that voice was so annoying.

It's amazing to me that Roland has made the LCD screen even smaller than the LX10F. It will be very fiddly trying to use the piano designer with such a crappy screen. (menus/pages! Ugh! mad )

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#1827950 - 01/19/12 02:56 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
I wish that guy would shut up !! That young lady is burning on the Ravel (?). It's hard to hear her with the sales spiel going on. Let her playing and the sound of the instrument speak for itself.......

I wish they would shut up and let this young lady just play already: wink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eyvRno_lE80
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#1827951 - 01/19/12 02:58 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Roland HP500 series:
+Roland+HP500+Series]HP500


Good! Looks like they pushed PHA III down to the middle line member, previously it was just in HP-307, now it's also in HP-505.
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#1827952 - 01/19/12 02:59 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: dewster]
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Originally Posted By: dewster

I wish they would shut up and let this young lady just play already: wink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eyvRno_lE80

Yeah, I couldn't tell if that was Debussy or Ravel, the narrator was just drowning her out. wink

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#1827983 - 01/19/12 04:13 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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you mean there's no new inflatable v-piano for gigging? what a letdown.
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#1827990 - 01/19/12 04:33 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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The SV-1 in black is rather disappointing, although I still love the design of the instrument overall.

Also, the NU1 doesn't appear to be on the Yamaha NAMM site yet...

Cheers,
James
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#1827992 - 01/19/12 04:37 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Kawai James]
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The SV-1 in black is rather disappointing, although I still love the design of the instrument overall.

Also, the NU1 doesn't appear to be on the Yamaha NAMM site yet...

Cheers,
James
x


Anything new from your lot? If so I can't seem to find it.

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#1827994 - 01/19/12 04:43 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: EssBrace]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Jeez, all the preliminary reports about new keyboards/dps are pretty dismal.


I think I agree - not really very much to see here.....
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#1828005 - 01/19/12 05:00 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Sketches]
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Anything new from your lot? If so I can't seem to find it.


I just posted the following in the predictions thread, but it perhaps makes sense to paste it here also.

Originally Posted By: myself
The ageing CE200 has been updated to the CE220, with PHI sound and 88-key sampling.

Hardly a game-changer, but a welcome upgrade none the less.
"Loved the key action, hated the sound" posts from folks who try this model in musical instrument chain stores should finally become a thing of the past.

...

No new CAs, CNs, MPs - Kawai America's primary focus this year is the new Shigeru Kawai series.


Cheers,
James
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#1828012 - 01/19/12 05:10 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
What a letdown:
SV-1
I was really hoping.


I believe your hope may still be alive for later this year.
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#1828015 - 01/19/12 05:13 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Sketches
Anything new from your lot? If so I can't seem to find it.


I just posted the following in the predictions thread, but it perhaps makes sense to paste it here also.

Originally Posted By: myself
The ageing CE200 has been updated to the CE220, with PHI sound and 88-key sampling.

Hardly a game-changer, but a welcome upgrade none the less.
"Loved the key action, hated the sound" posts from folks who try this model in musical instrument chain stores should finally become a thing of the past.

...

No new CAs, CNs, MPs - Kawai America's primary focus this year is the new Shigeru Kawai series.


Cheers,
James
x


Thanks James, missed that. Looks like it I am ordering my MP10 tomorrow yippie

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#1828016 - 01/19/12 05:13 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Yay, role on March! wink
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#1828021 - 01/19/12 05:16 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Sketches]
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Any GAS inducing updates from these guys?
New sound sets? More memory? New colours?

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#1828048 - 01/19/12 05:53 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Korg is going to, or perhaps already is I left behind in the stage piano world. RH3 is junk, their fit and finish is junk, their piano samples are out dated, etc. Pretty sad when the mildly updated NP2 is the most exciting new stage piano this year. I think the NU1 is an interesting development though, and surprising. Yamaha is setting themselves up to clean house in that part of the market. Serious pianist all over the world now have 3 really nice options that are in the affordable to somewhat affordable price range- NU1, N1, and N2. Kawai's impressive CS9 has some stiff competition in the NU1.

All in all, a very boring year from NAMM. The only good news is I don't feel the urge to get in line for a new DP. The NP1 is still top dog for my purposes.
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#1828049 - 01/19/12 05:58 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: vegasE]
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Any GAS inducing updates from these guys?
New sound sets? More memory? New colours?


smile
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#1828050 - 01/19/12 05:58 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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This may be too soon, but does anyone know how the HP 505/507 stands against the Kawai CA63 or 93?

I wanted to buy a Kawai Ca63, but should I wait? Is the price point even the same?

(I don't know much about the piano world, but my guess is that the yamaha NU1 will be more expensive than the above mentioned?)

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#1828053 - 01/19/12 06:02 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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DP wise Namm is pretty much the NP2 , HP500, LX-15, F120, The Yamaha console thing and the NU1

Software wise its Ivory 2's American Steinway .....

That's about it ...

but if your into Synths well its a bit brighter .... Waldof has the Pulse 2 , Arturia the minibrute ....
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#1828063 - 01/19/12 06:18 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dr Popper]
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Software wise its Ivory 2's American Steinway .....


That's interesting. I notice they sampled a 1951 model. I wonder if they are trying to get in on the Vintage thing that Galaxy kind of has cornered at the moment.

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#1828067 - 01/19/12 06:22 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Yeah, a new Steinway from Ivory, that must be something!

I really love their Steinway and planned on buying the version 2, however it comes in a pack with Bosendorfer and Yamaha which I hate and I don't want to give $400 for all of them to use just the Steinway. Hopefully the new American Steinway will be a separately sold instrument like the Italian and if it's no more than $150-200, I'll be the first to buy it.
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#1828192 - 01/19/12 09:40 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Klasher]
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Originally Posted By: Klasher
This may be too soon, but does anyone know how the HP 505/507 stands against the Kawai CA63 or 93?

I wanted to buy a Kawai Ca63, but should I wait? Is the price point even the same?

(I don't know much about the piano world, but my guess is that the yamaha NU1 will be more expensive than the above mentioned?)

The CA93 will hold its own and then some against the HP500 series. The CA93 has as good or better IMHO action, a real sound board, and also Kawai's top of the line UPHI sound technology. Price point wise they are all competive model to model.

As far as the Yamaha NU1, it will indeed likely be quite a bit more expensive. I would guess priced around the AvantGrand N1.
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#1828199 - 01/19/12 09:54 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Dr Popper was just saying he expected it to be several thousand of dollars less than the N1, and he appears to have at least some inside info. I don't see how "several" could be more than 2 or so, but we can hope.

Personally I expect that it would indeed have to be very noticeably cheaper than the N1 or everyone would opt for the grand action in the N1.


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#1828209 - 01/19/12 10:06 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: CyberGene]
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Yeah, a new Steinway from Ivory, that must be something! Hopefully it's no more than $150-200, I'll be the first to buy it.


The Synthogy site states that MSRP will be $199.

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#1828212 - 01/19/12 10:16 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Plus the dreaded ilok.

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#1828219 - 01/19/12 10:32 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: gvfarns]
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It really isn't that bad. I wasn't too keen on the idea at first either, but just put the iLok in a port and forget about it. You're giving up a great piano... smile

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#1828227 - 01/19/12 10:43 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: curt88]
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I would think that using a dongle is a sign that you're stuck in the software dark ages, not that you have a great product. I remember using a dongle for the Atari Notator software in 1990 or so...
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#1828231 - 01/19/12 10:53 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: torhu]
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Originally Posted By: torhu
I would think that using a dongle is a sign that you're stuck in the software dark ages, not that you have a great product. I remember using a dongle for the Atari Notator software in 1990 or so...


There are plenty of modern software applications that use dongles. They have been increasing rather than decreasing.

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#1828234 - 01/19/12 11:03 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: ando]
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That's weird, I've can't remember any other apps than music apps that use dongles. I remember hearing about other kinds of apps, but that's a while ago. I mean, Photohop doesn't require a dongle, and most installs of that are bound to be pirated copies.
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#1828246 - 01/19/12 11:24 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Chaps, let's try to keep the discussion on topic, please.

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Nord C2D demo (mostly talking...):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwrCp3SWCI8

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#1828263 - 01/20/12 12:06 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Kawai James]
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Chaps, let's try to keep the discussion on topic, please.



What, I'm not allowed to make a 2 line reply to something that needed correcting anymore?

You can't keep forums on totally on topic all the time. If brief asides are pounced upon it becomes very restrictive and less fun - and EVERYBODY does it sometimes. Yes, even you, James! A discussion about NAMM is bound to veer off course into various products/technologies.

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#1828405 - 01/20/12 10:56 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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#1828425 - 01/20/12 11:27 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: kippesc]
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Is demo 2 a new SN model of this...

My guess is it's a fortepiano:

"In addition to the selection of onboard grand-piano sounds, the HP-507 features a newly added Early Piano category containing four fortepiano variations and two harpsichord variations."

I would also guess that it isn't SN, otherwise Roland would likely say so. Perhaps these samples come from their C-30 digital harpsichord? This could be a sign that they are preparing to either upgrade or phase out the C-30 (I'm hoping upgrade with SN).
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#1828531 - 01/20/12 02:05 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Thank you, Roland! It is so refreshing to be able to hear the piano, unadulterated. If you're reading, Roland, please do the same for the LX-15.

I've only had a chance to listen on a netbook (no headphones) so far. At first hearing there doesn't seem too much difference between the tonal quality of the HP507 and the FP-7F. The 507 seems to be a very capable DP.

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#1828616 - 01/20/12 05:04 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Thank you, Roland! It is so refreshing to be able to hear the piano, unadulterated. If you're reading, Roland, please do the same for the LX-15.

I've only had a chance to listen on a netbook (no headphones) so far. At first hearing there doesn't seem too much difference between the tonal quality of the HP507 and the FP-7F. The 507 seems to be a very capable DP.


Roland's pricing structure seems a bit odd to me.
The specs of the LX-15 and HP507 seem to be identical but the price for the former is £4249 and £2399 for the latter (including Great Britain's eyewateringly high 20% VAT (sales tax))

That seems a lot for a nicer cabinet but I have to say on the basis of what I have heard on Youtube between the LX-15 sounds significantly more of a step forward than the 507. Curious.

Beethoven this time + heckler / salesman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8DiWCiiqA

The HP503 looks like good value at £1395. It seems to be an FP7-F in console form with extra voices, three pedals and the soundboard modelling feature. But no session partner, looper or mic harmony.
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#1828637 - 01/20/12 05:30 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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Originally Posted By: DazedAndConfused

The HP503 looks like good value at £1395. It seems to be an FP7-F in console form with extra voices, three pedals and the soundboard modelling feature. But no session partner, looper or mic harmony.

Yes at that price it looks on paper like strong competition for the Kawai CN33.

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#1828649 - 01/20/12 05:53 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: ando]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Chaps, let's try to keep the discussion on topic, please.



What, I'm not allowed to make a 2 line reply to something that needed correcting anymore?

You can't keep forums on totally on topic all the time. If brief asides are pounced upon it becomes very restrictive and less fun - and EVERYBODY does it sometimes. Yes, even you, James! A discussion about NAMM is bound to veer off course into various products/technologies.


My apologies...perhaps I jumped a little too quickly.
However, it appeared that the discussion may become deteriorate into an argument about the strengths/weaknesses of iLok and dongles.

Back on topic (!), that's a great price for the HP503 - it's the same keyboard action as the FP-7F, yes?

Cheers,
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#1828806 - 01/21/12 01:00 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Kawai James]
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#1828813 - 01/21/12 01:19 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Cheers Dave!

Just out of curiosity, what phones were connected to the Nords, Korgs, and Yammies?

I wonder who had the worst phones? wink

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#1828817 - 01/21/12 01:29 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Kawai James]
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#1828820 - 01/21/12 01:51 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris


My highlight was playing the Yamaha CFX6 7'er. Wow what a piano !!!


I do love mine .... but I kept my C7 as well for that "yamaha" sound
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#1828881 - 01/21/12 07:32 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dave Ferris]
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I was actually quite taken with the piano sound on the MOX8.

Yes, the MOX8/XS piano sound is very musical, to my ears. I did a bunch of gigs this past summer with the MOX and a Kronos, and I chose to use the Yamaha's piano sound. The Yamaha has its imperfections, and there are ways that the Korg may be, in some ways, more accurate, but the Yamaha just sounded and felt better to actually play. Especially after I found some EQ settings I liked.

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#1828883 - 01/21/12 07:39 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Am I correct in thinking that the MOX8 can load new samples (official Yamaha content only?) in a similar way to that of the Nords?

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#1828897 - 01/21/12 08:17 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Kawai James]
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Am I correct in thinking that the MOX8 can load new samples (official Yamaha content only?) in a similar way to that of the Nords?

Sadly, no. Loading samples is one of the big things that differentiates the higher end Motif line from the lower end. So the model with all the MOX sounds plus sample loading (and lots of other stuff) is the Motif XF. (And it's not limited to official Yamaha content, either.) Unfortunately, besides being a lot pricier, they are a lot bigger and heavier to lug around.

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#1828898 - 01/21/12 08:23 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
I was actually quite taken with the piano sound on the MOX8.

Yes, the MOX8/XS piano sound is very musical, to my ears. I did a bunch of gigs this past summer with the MOX and a Kronos, and I chose to use the Yamaha's piano sound. The Yamaha has its imperfections, and there are ways that the Korg may be, in some ways, more accurate, but the Yamaha just sounded and felt better to actually play. Especially after I found some EQ settings I liked.


Which Piano did you use ? The MOX has two I think ?
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#1828913 - 01/21/12 09:35 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dr Popper]
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Which Piano did you use ? The MOX has two I think ?

Although there are some patch variations, AFAIK, there is only one piano sample i the MOX. At any rate, I just used patch 1, with some EQ (and the reverb turned off). I have a video from a gig I've been meaning to put up, I'll try to remember to post back when I do.

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#1829062 - 01/21/12 01:40 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dr Popper]
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#1829164 - 01/21/12 03:55 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Dave how'd that SK5 compare to the CF6? Two extraordinary pianos in their own right. When I bust the music scene wide open, perhaps one of the above will be in my home. smile
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#1829217 - 01/21/12 05:57 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: DazedAndConfused]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
Thank you, Roland! It is so refreshing to be able to hear the piano, unadulterated. If you're reading, Roland, please do the same for the LX-15.

I've only had a chance to listen on a netbook (no headphones) so far. At first hearing there doesn't seem too much difference between the tonal quality of the HP507 and the FP-7F. The 507 seems to be a very capable DP.


Roland's pricing structure seems a bit odd to me.
The specs of the LX-15 and HP507 seem to be identical but the price for the former is £4249 and £2399 for the latter (including Great Britain's eyewateringly high 20% VAT (sales tax))

That seems a lot for a nicer cabinet but I have to say on the basis of what I have heard on Youtube between the LX-15 sounds significantly more of a step forward than the 507. Curious.

Beethoven this time + heckler / salesman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8DiWCiiqA

The HP503 looks like good value at £1395. It seems to be an FP7-F in console form with extra voices, three pedals and the soundboard modelling feature. But no session partner, looper or mic harmony.





Hi bro:
I wonder if you could kindly post your source of information regarding the price.
For HP series itself I wonder if it's used to replace HP30X series if the price is true.
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#1829405 - 01/21/12 11:38 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: PianoZac]
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#1829417 - 01/22/12 12:12 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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The question is ... do you think the CF6 is closer to a S6 or a American Steinway C in sound ? I think its far more Steinway (with a Japanese twist) then anything Yamaha has ever done before.
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#1829436 - 01/22/12 01:13 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dr Popper]
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#1829585 - 01/22/12 09:50 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: Dave Ferris]
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I think you meant a Hamburg/German C, there is no NY Steinway C except from the early 1900s.

Nah I think meant a B ... around a 7 footer. I think the C's are 7'6" or thereabouts are very euro sounding.
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In any case that CF6 was one heck of a nice piano that I would love to have in my living room

Yes its nice alright but I'm sorry I didn't put up more of a fight with my "lovely" bride to get another 2 foot wink
She puts up with enough keyboards in the house so what's another 2 feet really ?
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#1829600 - 01/22/12 10:30 AM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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Why doesn't the American market get Steinway C pianos? I'm guessing they'd do pretty well with all the colleges, churches, etc. .
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#1829913 - 01/22/12 07:29 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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#1829915 - 01/22/12 07:32 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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How absolutely wonderous, however my pessimistic mind immediately realises that the hammers would be travelling horizontally like in an upright piano, so it would not be a proper grand action. Drats!!! ;^)

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#1830391 - 01/23/12 03:36 PM Re: NAMM 2012 Announcements [Re: voxpops]
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The Roland FP-7F page bills the instrument as having a PHAIII Ivory Feel-S action, but the new HP500 series is divided up into PHAIII and Ivory Feel-S as two distinct things, so which action in the new keyboards is closest to the FP-7F?

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