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#1827656 - 01/19/12 06:37 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: scepticalforumguy]
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Originally Posted By: scepticalforumguy


Great article/posting! I don't think though that this will change anything for me insofar as getting a restaurant gig here. If I go corporate/private function then the game changes, but I suppose I've already realized that the situation in many, many cities is that if you want to play live on a regular basis, and play the music you want this will severely limit the types of places that welcome you, or will even offer to pay you.

I don't suppose it would hurt to try to educate the local restaurant owners though, especially if they demand a following before hiring you.


Getting paid to play the music you want is a rare rare thing in my experience. It always seems to me that the amount I get paid reflects the pain of the gig, ranging from playing with a few friends in the back room of a pub which results in almost zero pay and lots of enjoyment - or a full on posh wedding where one has to dress up in a funny wig and play disco, hanging around for hours but results in a fat pay check (relatively speaking). Restaurants are about in the middle, not that I do these any anymore. Some musical enjoyment is possible if not the norm and the money is bad but could be worse. But every gig is different.
I used to have one restaurant gig I really enjoyed - really good grand piano, good money, nice people, great food, once a week, minimal arty audience so I could play what I like. The only downer was that I had to start playing at 7 in the morning. Not exactly jazz time.
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#1827752 - 01/19/12 10:11 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: scepticalforumguy]
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Originally Posted By: scepticalforumguy
Originally Posted By: knotty
Check out this interesting CL post. Apparently originally from LA.

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/muc/2806579362.html

I think JW has a point here.


Great article/posting! I don't think though that this will change anything for me insofar as getting a restaurant gig here. If I go corporate/private function then the game changes, but I suppose I've already realized that the situation in many, many cities is that if you want to play live on a regular basis, and play the music you want this will severely limit the types of places that welcome you, or will even offer to pay you.

I don't suppose it would hurt to try to educate the local restaurant owners though, especially if they demand a following before hiring you.


Yeah, for a rant, I thought it was pretty well written.

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#1827754 - 01/19/12 10:13 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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So we may not be very good at making money, but boy are we good at spending it!
Next week for me (all in 4 days time):
- KJ solo at Carnegie Hall
- Lesson with Dave
- Lesson with Pilc
- Mehldau solo.

And Herbie in March, but we gotta wait a little for that.

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#1827759 - 01/19/12 10:30 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Wow lucky Knotty
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#1827762 - 01/19/12 10:36 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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I know... is it too close to bragging ? wink

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#1827801 - 01/19/12 12:05 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Not as long as you give us the lowdown of what Pilc says ;-)
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#1827826 - 01/19/12 12:40 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: beeboss]
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Originally Posted By: beeboss
Not as long as you give us the lowdown of what Pilc says ;-)


Exactly-- all will be forgiven then smile
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#1828544 - 01/20/12 02:27 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Everyone's quiet so let's chat smile

Apparently KJ is doing his usual solo thing here again (the one I missed last year). I'm not planning on it this year but I am surprised at the regularity. In the past he wasn't doing annual gigs over here.

Another gig tonight (paid I might add...). I used my Nord Piano at last week's gig and I thought I played so badly that I don't want to post it. NP sounded good though. Just not me. Then a prior event, I forgot to turn on the recorder.

I've been so busy with gigs that I haven't worked much on anything new. February is not so heavy so maybe I'll catch up before the big gigs in March.

Tonight we'll be doing a vocals version of Blue in Green. We tried it a jam session. Worked well. Unusual because I don't know where the singer got the lyrics for Blue in Green. It wasn't Kurt Elling's lyrics.

So what's up with you guys?
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#1828561 - 01/20/12 03:16 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Originally Posted By: jazzwee

So what's up with you guys?




gig at a jazz club last week
big band rehearsal yesterday
open day for postgraduate study at the university the day before
orchestra rehearsal tomorrow
drum cello and piano practice everyday
trying to keep busy, always
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#1828639 - 01/20/12 05:33 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: beeboss]
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Interesting assignment from my teacher. The piece Freedom Jazz Dance by Eddie Harris consists of three phrases of rapid eight notes. I'll learn one phrase a week and do it in all keys. The point is no so much to learn a lick, but rather, these phrases use intervals that most piano players (at my level, at least), don't use in soloing. We have comfort zones in terms of the intervals we use, and the hope is that learning this head will get the feel of different intervals in your hands (and in your ear). Now, how about I actually practice instead of futzing on the internet. I'm home early from work because we've got a healthy winter storm here in Chicago.

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#1828700 - 01/20/12 07:00 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jjo]
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Yes, it is snowing here... quite a bit. The head on Freedom Jazz Dance would be a great exercise for getting some different intervals down.

I've been practicing the heads to Comrade Conrad and Someday My Prince Will Come in all keys. I can't play through without stopping sometimes... too much thinking still. But it's getting better.

Last night I rehearsed with just my drummer again. It's fun and very challenging, but I'm definitely feeling better about my time keeping these days.

A friend of mine, just released his new record. He's a steel pan player, and I would argue the only one that can really play jazz. It's great stuff. Here's a couple of tracks off the record:

Blue In Green (since Jazzwee is playing that one):
http://www.box.com/s/fjvjpgusfli9r8rfka2r


Dolphin Dance (great pan solo here):
http://www.box.com/s/5s5mdbuupt7s6dj3fgr6


I'll only leave these up for a couple of days. You can find the record on his website.


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#1828704 - 01/20/12 07:10 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jjo]
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Originally Posted By: jjo
Interesting assignment from my teacher. The piece Freedom Jazz Dance by Eddie Harris consists of three phrases of rapid eight notes. I'll learn one phrase a week and do it in all keys. The point is no so much to learn a lick, but rather, these phrases use intervals that most piano players (at my level, at least), don't use in soloing. We have comfort zones in terms of the intervals we use, and the hope is that learning this head will get the feel of different intervals in your hands (and in your ear). Now, how about I actually practice instead of futzing on the internet. I'm home early from work because we've got a healthy winter storm here in Chicago.


Yes all those 4ths are a good workout
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#1828708 - 01/20/12 07:16 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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That exercise sounds great. I had to listen to Freedom Jazz Dance again to recall it. I might do a little bit of that with you jjo. It's intervallic sounding. Maybe that's what Pilc will talk about with Knotty.


Beeboss, is your postgraduate study music related? I'm glad you have time for study. That's usually hard to do later in life.
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#1828709 - 01/20/12 07:17 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: Scott Coletta]
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Originally Posted By: Scott Coletta

A friend of mine, just released his new record. He's a steel pan player, and I would argue the only one that can really play jazz. It's great stuff. Here's a couple of tracks off the record:

Blue In Green (since Jazzwee is playing that one):
http://www.box.com/s/fjvjpgusfli9r8rfka2r


Dolphin Dance (great pan solo here):
http://www.box.com/s/5s5mdbuupt7s6dj3fgr6

I'll only leave these up for a couple of days. You can find the record on his website.


Interesting, not a common instrument in jazz. I only know of Othello Molineaux and he doesn't really improvise in that kind of way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I09a50WObZc
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#1828710 - 01/20/12 07:20 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Originally Posted By: jazzwee


Beeboss, is your postgraduate study music related? I'm glad you have time for study. That's usually hard to do later in life.



Composition, but I am only half decided (unless I get funding). Time I have, it is money I am short on ;-)
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#1828861 - 01/21/12 05:44 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: beeboss]
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Originally Posted By: beeboss
Originally Posted By: jazzwee


Beeboss, is your postgraduate study music related? I'm glad you have time for study. That's usually hard to do later in life.



Composition, but I am only half decided (unless I get funding). Time I have, it is money I am short on ;-)


Well that sounds like fun. And I know about college funding. I've got one about to enter college smile
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#1828862 - 01/21/12 05:50 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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It was a fun gig tonight. A little tweaking on the keyboard to get the proper sound will be necessary for the future. I made a few "setup" mistakes but overall the Nord didn't disappear in the mix.

The biggest hit of the night was this tune. Now I don't actually know it well. I've only played it once at a jam so I'm low key here but the horn players and bass player really made a big show here and we earned our keep. Here my job was to be supportive.

Sugar
http://www.box.com/s/l092pg21393e5g3o2ufy


And a couple of other tunes I managed to extract from the big recording. Most things sounded good.

All the Things You Are
http://www.box.com/s/1fridh6mfxjv6enctz6f

Song For My Father
http://www.box.com/s/9amma4cmglqo3scdkhj7

Blue in Green -- the singer kept screwing up the entry here. I will post it later.

I'm happy to report that as always the crowd was big and the bar was at their usual good number (I'm not a musician, I'm a liquor salesman).
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#1828902 - 01/21/12 08:49 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Originally Posted By: jazzwee
It was a fun gig tonight.


Tunes sound good jazzwee. The mix is really "bassy" in my headphones, but it's clear and the Nord sounds nice.

I think your timing is getting better. Your solos seem much more stable than they used to. And the comping on your ATTYA solo was nice. Good support but not too much.

Just get some more blues going and you'll be jammin' on Sugar. cool

Also really nice comping behind the soloists on Song For My Father. And good going on the sixteenths in your solo! A little slippery in spots but that's being really nit-picky. wink

I'm sure you said before, but what type of venue is this that you're playing at? You've mentioned often about the band's ability to draw a crowd and keep them coming so I'm assuming it's open to the public. But it's not a restaurant/bar?

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#1828903 - 01/21/12 08:58 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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JW, nice solo on ATTYA. If I was to make one comment, it would be to leave more space between the phrases so we have time to appreciate.

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#1828905 - 01/21/12 09:02 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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also you might wnat to work out a better intro for ATTYA. Felt a little awkward. I know some folks don't like the bird intro, but it's actually quite cool and easy to play. Otherwise a simple 2-5 in f- might work or play solo for the last 4 or 8 measures.

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#1829013 - 01/21/12 12:32 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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jazzwee - nice backdrop for my morning perusal of PW. One of the things I like about your band and your playing in it is your ability to sometimes be the solo and sometimes be the support. While I know that's not supposed to be unusual, there are some musicians who prefer always leading smile . Your band has a really nice sound. I'd go hear it!

Cathy
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#1829065 - 01/21/12 01:44 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Knotty, your comments are very good. I appreciate it.

On ATTYA, it's difficult to come up with a custom intro because we don't rehearse and so I have to do the typical 'last 8 bars' or 'vamp'. If I tried the Bird intro, we'll probably mess it up. smile We've screwed so many of the Rubato intros so I avoid it as well. Just have to be conservative. One of these days, I'll try a rehearsal.

Song for my Father -- I'm lucky I survive on that one. I can't even play head perfectly. Usually the horn takes that head. I don't know what I was thinking to do 16ths...Gutsy of me I suppose. LOL.

Venue - my regular venue is a private club. This may be an LA thing but there's many private clubs here and they can afford to pay for entertainment. So we have to draw from a limited audience. But the word of mouth is stronger since it's one community. Like any other public venue, we are still measured by liquor sales. smile
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#1829070 - 01/21/12 01:50 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jotur]
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Originally Posted By: jotur
jazzwee - nice backdrop for my morning perusal of PW. One of the things I like about your band and your playing in it is your ability to sometimes be the solo and sometimes be the support. While I know that's not supposed to be unusual, there are some musicians who prefer always leading smile . Your band has a really nice sound. I'd go hear it!

Cathy


Cathy, that is so nice of you. Fortunately, I'm aware that I'm the least experienced of the bunch though I'm the band leader. So knowing this, my focus is on making the group sound good. The band carries my name so it's all good. No need for me to stand out.

One thing I really appreciate is that we have some loyal fans. With hardly any promotion, they always show up. When I first started playing jazz, I thought all I could shoot for was to post recordings on the internet. But it really is a good feeling to play for a real audience. smile
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#1829092 - 01/21/12 02:26 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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>>On ATTYA, it's difficult to come up with a custom intro because we don't rehearse and so I have to do the typical 'last 8 bars' or 'vamp'. If I tried the Bird intro, we'll probably mess it up. We've screwed so many of the Rubato intros so I avoid it as well. Just have to be conservative. One of these days, I'll try a rehearsal.

A few things about that.
Most people do know the bird intro. And you can do it as a trio. So as long as the trio is on board, it's ok. Yes, the soloist has to know when to come in.
Rubato intros are tricky because, aside from being hard to play for us, they also don't give clear tempo / feel to the band.
In-time intros, there's a trick to it: Bring a sheet.Then you can play anything un-rehearsed. I would not hesitate to write the bass part, even drum part. Then you have a very tight intro.

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#1829104 - 01/21/12 02:35 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Originally Posted By: jazzwee
Venue - my regular venue is a private club. This may be an LA thing but there's many private clubs here and they can afford to pay for entertainment. So we have to draw from a limited audience. But the word of mouth is stronger since it's one community. Like any other public venue, we are still measured by liquor sales. smile



I don't know if we have any private clubs around here. Any suggestions on how to find them if they are here?


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#1829112 - 01/21/12 02:46 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Scott, I Pm'd my answer...
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#1829117 - 01/21/12 02:48 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: knotty]
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Bring a sheet.Then you can play anything un-rehearsed. I would not hesitate to write the bass part, even drum part. Then you have a very tight intro.


Not a bad idea. I just never focused on it. Now I don't read well but my bass player does so it should be no problem for him.

I might even do that at a jam session.
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#1829238 - 01/21/12 06:37 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Here's a few more. All the recordings sound pretty solid so I'm just sampling a few.

Solar - Let's see if I've improved on this...also a good read on the Nord Sound.
http://www.box.com/s/uhjohq2iz1y535kqxi08

Blue in Green - Lots of mistakes here by all -- really hard to get this right.
http://www.box.com/s/4fviajjoa0b2nz2rzl7o

Manha de Carnaval (Black Orpheus)
http://www.box.com/s/2338p386j27klp4bgh0a



Edited by jazzwee (01/21/12 06:38 PM)
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#1829697 - 01/22/12 01:07 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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So what's up with you guys?

Just finished the Mastering of the duo album and I'm now working on the cover (I moonlight as a graphic designer).
Otherwise gigs with the trio, which is now a quartet, I added a sax (tenor/sop sax from Island).
It's fun as I love comping.
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#1830013 - 01/23/12 01:05 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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I'm happy now with the sound my keyboard is making in the mix. But something has changed and I have to yet figure it out. I'm feeling that my fingers are strained on the NP. This is surprising since the keys are lighter.

I have to study how I'm attacking the keys here and understand the cause of this new tension.
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