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#1832183 - 01/26/12 09:44 AM Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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#1834768 - 01/30/12 05:13 AM Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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I don't get it. Spend about the same money to make it (I guess??), then sell it for a few grand less than the AG N's. And last I heard, the AG's are selling very well.
If they have an upright action, then why don't they also have a set of sounds from an upright too? (in addition to the CFX sounds).

When will Yamaha realize that they should install a tablet computer into the piano, with the functionality to at least display sheet music or play an accompaniment? Doesn't Yamaha already have a system that interacts with iPads?

And most importantly, where is the cupholder?

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#1834838 - 01/30/12 09:44 AM Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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What surprises me is the absence of control over the multi-sample. When I first started reading this thread, I thought that Yamaha was releasing their response to Roland's V-Piano. The I realized that, no, there is no modelling. Then I saw the list of features. Very limited. On the other hand, it may sound good. I must admit that I've played some Yamaha digital pianos from 10 years ago that were convincing, or at least let me suspend my disbelief and feel as though I was playing in instrument and not triggering samples from another piano.

Still, the 6K price is the same as that of the V-Piano, and I haven't seen any information about the size of the multisample or the number of layers in the NU. Will the sampled piano sound better?

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#1834845 - 01/30/12 09:54 AM Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano [Re: Maxtor]
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Originally Posted By: Maxtor
And last I heard, the AG's are selling very well.


This is certainly not the impression I have. Did you actually hear someone say they are not selling well? They are a high end, low volume item that came out during a recession. That's not a formula for big numbers. But I think they far outsell, for example, silent acoustics, which are their closest competitor.

I agree with you that it seems like the manufacturing costs wouldn't be so different, so it's surprising they are selling it for cheaper. The thing is, a different--poorer--group of people will buy this than the grand action version, so it's a way of doing price discrimination (I guess they didn't want to have a coupon day).

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#1834850 - 01/30/12 10:03 AM Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano [Re: Jake Jackson]
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Originally Posted By: Jake Jackson
What surprises me is the absence of control over the multi-sample. When I first started reading this thread, I thought that Yamaha was releasing their response to Roland's V-Piano. The I realized that, no, there is no modelling. Then I saw the list of features. Very limited. On the other hand, it may sound good. I must admit that I've played some Yamaha digital pianos from 10 years ago that were convincing, or at least let me suspend my disbelief and feel as though I was playing in instrument and not triggering samples from another piano.

Still, the 6K price is the same as that of the V-Piano, and I haven't seen any information about the size of the multisample or the number of layers in the NU. Will the sampled piano sound better?


The AvantGrand line is decidedly not the same direction as the V-piano (which I think has underperformed...at least the grand version has). All the AG models feature only a few voices, which are not very tweakable. It's for the fairly sizeable group of people that want something as close as possible to an acoustic while not being an acoustic and don't care about the other digital features. The V-Piano is geared toward professionals who want to have a lot of flexibility and power, but aren't exactly trying to make it look like an acoustic in their house--something like the Yamaha CP1. When you say you were surprised by the lack of control were you referring to the entire AG line or just this piano? I don't think anyone else was expecting the latest AvantGrand to have more voices or more power over the voices than its higher-end predecessors did.

Of course, are varying opinions, but I would say that the AvantGrand's samples are more realistic and natural sounding than the V-Piano's modeling, though you are quite right that they are not nearly as flexible or varied. The previous AvantGrands had fairly long and high quality samples, as these things go. The NU1 actually has a new sample set, taken from the new CFX acoustic. I would be surprised if it was not excellent--for an onboard piano sound.


Edited by gvfarns (01/30/12 10:20 AM)

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#1834856 - 01/30/12 10:21 AM Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano [Re: gvfarns]
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Originally Posted By: gvfarns


The AvantGrand line is decidedly not the same direction as the V-piano (which I think has underperformed...at least the grand version has).


You might be shocked if you knew just what a understatement that is considering Yamaha has sold over 1000 AG's. I mean we are talking very very few V-Grands sold worldwide so I'm led to believe.
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#1834883 - 01/30/12 10:59 AM Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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Roland has an image problem with classical musicians (try putting a Roland thread in the Piano/Pianist forum and see the response...) who - if they've heard about Roland at all - only know about it from rock and pop concerts, posters etc. Yamaha on the other hand, is known by anyone who likes music of any sort (which just about covers all the world's population). And therefore classical pianists will be quite happy to use the AG as a substitute for the real thing, and believe it's the top dog - without even dreaming of trying the Roland V-Piano Grand (if they'd even heard of it). For non-classical pianists, Yamaha is still the top brand, and the lack of any non-piano sounds in the V-Piano/Grand is a serious deterrent compared to the AG series.

I had a hard time getting any of my classical friends to even sit down at my V-Piano, let alone try it out (just as I had myself when I went around looking for a DP to buy 2 years ago), but they were convinced once they started playing. It's just the name, the looks, the lack of any acoustic history, the image problem, the......
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#1834962 - 01/30/12 12:42 PM Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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I do believe the AvantGrands also have the benefit and mass appeal of a real acoustic grand piano action. This, more than any other reason is why people spend money on the AvantGrands, and why they're so appealing.
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#1872853 - 04/02/12 10:43 PM Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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Is the Yamaha NU1 available now in the US? Has anyone played it? How does it compare to the N1?

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#1997127 - 12/09/12 09:53 PM Re: YAMAHA NU-1 Hybrid Piano [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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Hello folks,

My apologies for bumping this old thread, but am I correct in assuming that the NU1 Concert Grand piano sound is not stretched (i.e. all 88 keys are sampled)?

According to dewster's DPBSD test, the AvantGrand N3 exhibited 'no visible or audible stretching', so is it fair to assume that the same is true for the CFX samples in the NU1?

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