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#1834740 - 01/30/12 03:49 AM Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand
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Have you the piano kawai mp10 not? I buy it 6 days ago and I comment you or ask a thing that this em worrying. To seeing if you can put on a few hulls to test on that I am going to comment to you: I have noticed that the sound (sampler) of acoustic piano preset " concert mellow grand " the note or key si4 (b4) in the eighth one 4 clear sounds mas stridently of the normal thing touching with the same force that them of mas, podrias test, touches a scale in the eighth one 4 to seeing if you estimate that if (4) it sounds mas stridently that them of mas, notice in her and the do that estan to his side to give you better account. Much worries me.

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#1834772 - 01/30/12 05:38 AM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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Is your question that you are hearing a loud ("strident") note ("B4") on your piano ("kawai mp10") while using a ("concert mellow grand") preset?

There may be others in this forum that can help you with that issue specifically, however, I am having a lot of trouble understanding your English grammar, within the text of your post.

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#1834779 - 01/30/12 06:11 AM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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Sounds like Google Translate to be honest.

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#1834928 - 01/30/12 11:58 AM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: Gigantoad]
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Everything needs to be re-translated, again.

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#1835179 - 01/30/12 05:03 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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I am testing of the note touches (si4) with the sound of acoustic piano "concert mellow grand" and the above mentioned note (si4) it is more strident that the rest of notes.

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#1835183 - 01/30/12 05:05 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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Using the sound "concert mellow grand" the note si4 has a sound more stridently that the rest of notes.

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#1835189 - 01/30/12 05:09 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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There have been comments before on this and other DP's for odd notes sounding 'more strident'. See this thread for example. Not sure there is a conclusion.

Have you done a factory reset, also upgrade the firmware, tried different headphones, checked on other piano voices?

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#1835219 - 01/30/12 05:40 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: spanishbuddha]
motifers Offline
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With other voices of piano it is not heard, I have updated to the version 1.04 and if I did reset of factory.

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#1835220 - 01/30/12 05:42 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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I good like to return to the version 1.03 to see if this one the problem, where podria to unload the version 1.03?

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#1835246 - 01/30/12 06:08 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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Instead of worrying about the firmware, I'd try playing a MIDI file you have generated on your computer and know contains all notes with exactly the same velocity.

The reason is that it seems more likely to me that the sensor or key is miscalibrated than that there is a problem with the firmware or sounds.

It could also be possible that your speakers, headphones, or room have a bump in their sensitivity to that frequency.


Edited by gvfarns (01/30/12 06:31 PM)

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#1835272 - 01/30/12 06:27 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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motifers, may I ask if you have contacted the dealer from where the instrument was purchased? Or perhaps the Kawai distributor in your country?

I don't believe reverting to the v1.03 firmware will have any influence on the sound characteristic you are experiencing.

Kind regards,
James
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#1835286 - 01/30/12 06:51 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: Kawai James]
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Yes, I have spoken with the distributor of my country. They say to me that they should study the mistake, and me to repair it or they me the new one. Only for 6 days buy it. Not normal in this case is it that they give me the new one not?

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#1835297 - 01/30/12 07:01 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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If the dealer/distributor believes a problem cannot be fixed by a technician, they may decide to replace the piano with a new instrument, yes.

Kind regards,
James
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#1835878 - 01/31/12 06:13 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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I raise a test of the sound of the kawai mp10 " concert mellow grand " in that it is possible to verify the stridency of the note si4, if octave 4. I have recorded all the notes to 100 of speed midi, if I record for debado of 60 of speed midi almost it is not estimated and if I touch over 110 of speed midi neither there is difference. Ne I have done all the tests to see in that range of dynamics estimates this strident sound, that touching (mp) (half a piano) it is estimated. The keyboard that I have used is that of the yamaha motif xs8 and I have done the sequence also in the motif xs8. The demo listens in mp3 to enclosure

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#1835887 - 01/31/12 06:18 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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http://www.hispasonic.com/foros/nuevos-kawai-mp10-mp6/346861/pagina7#post3168653

In this link it is the demo, in my post, motifers.
Click in kawai mp10 prueba de sonido...mp3

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#1836530 - 02/01/12 02:01 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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I got what you are talking about. the 'b' sound has noticeably more high frequency components than surrounding bf, c and a. But as far as I know, this instrument is sampled from a real Kawai EX grand and, unlike Roland which is synthesized (modeled), may have some 'sweet' spots like that. I recon, all MP10 users should have the same sound, so you can ask them about that. Or maybe some mechanical element in the piano resonates with this b note (I don't know how did you record this sample).


Edited by gnembon (02/01/12 02:02 PM)

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#1836980 - 02/02/12 04:34 AM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: gnembon]
motifers Offline
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Hi Genembon Could you have verified that the note b4 in the sound concert mellow grand sounds mas stridently that the rest of notes??


Edited by motifers (02/02/12 04:35 AM)

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#1836996 - 02/02/12 05:46 AM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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motifers, may I ask, what was the outcome of contacting the dealer/distributor?

Kind regards,
James
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#1837015 - 02/02/12 07:22 AM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: Kawai James]
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In these moments I have not obtained response. Here I am asking if they could have realized the test and the verified above mentioned mistake of stridency in the above mentioned note and sound concert mellow grand.
Thanks

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#1839674 - 02/06/12 05:00 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
motifers Offline
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M p 1 0 h a s n o o n e t o c h e c k i f and h a v e s u c h s t r i d e n c y i n n o t e B 4 a n d m e l l o w c o n c e r t g r a n d s o u n d ?

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#1839681 - 02/06/12 05:12 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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i d o n ' t k n o w w h a t y o u ' r e t a l k i n g a b o u t s o p l e a s e l e a r n h o w t o t y p e

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#1839724 - 02/06/12 06:23 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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Originally Posted By: motifers
M p 1 0 h a s n o o n e t o c h e c k i f and h a v e s u c h s t r i d e n c y i n n o t e B 4 a n d m e l l o w c o n c e r t g r a n d s o u n d ?


Lol. I didn't know it could get any worse than pure caps + google translate and until today. Throw a space in between each letter for good measure, that will help you get some good feedback!


Edited by gvfarns (02/06/12 06:24 PM)

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#1839741 - 02/06/12 06:59 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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Crikey! Let's put it this way: Has any MP10 owner (or owner of a Kawai with the same sound engine and sample set) noticed whether, when selecting 'mellow concert grand', the B4 is audibly different from the notes around. In particular, whether the said B4 sounds more strident - perhaps having a higher component of harmonics or different filtering or some kind of extra resonance that the other notes do not have.
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#1839763 - 02/06/12 07:42 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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Mine is exactly the same - it is just an idiosyncrasy of the sampling or source piano or post sampling processing. There's nothing wrong with motifers' MP10.
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#1839798 - 02/06/12 08:38 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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....maybe the case can now rest. Thank you EssBrace smile
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Favourite piano: Blüthner (6'early 20th century)

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#1840219 - 02/07/12 02:20 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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Thank you very much for solving the translation Toddy, this way he has understood himself bién. Regards

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#1840279 - 02/07/12 04:08 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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Thank you Motifers, it's a pleasure smile
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Favourite piano: Blüthner (6'early 20th century)

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#1840674 - 02/08/12 12:24 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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I got mine MP10 yesterday :-). I will check when I get home.

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#1841194 - 02/09/12 10:44 AM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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I didn't notice any difference.

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#1841351 - 02/09/12 03:51 PM Re: Strident sound kawai mp10 key B4 concert mellow grand [Re: motifers]
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I actually observed something similar myself the other day on a CA63 in a showroom. I was just running a few scales when I noticed the b flat one octave above the middle C had a more pronounced sound. I pointed this out to the dealer who changed the sampling, after which this artifact disappeared. I dont know if the sampling in question was a mellow grand, though.

Anders

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