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#1837137 - 02/02/12 11:12 AM Sad Baroq & Renaissance music?
Hermanberntzen Offline
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Is there any sad Baroq & Renaissance music out there?
Speaking about Harpsichord music,
It all feels kind of "Lonely" but no directly sad but more like strong bashing chords and fast a fast melody in the right hand.
Is there anything slow for example composed by:
William Byrd
Orlando Gibbons
Sweelinck
Rameau
Silvius Leopold Weiss
Johann Sebastian Bach
Handel
Hadyn
Any of the couperins

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#1837187 - 02/02/12 12:17 PM Re: Sad Baroq & Renaissance music? [Re: Hermanberntzen]
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One that came to mind immediately when reading your post is the Adagissimo from JS Bach's Capriccio on the departure of a most beloved brother. It is written as a lament and definitely evokes sadness. I have not heard the rest of the Capriccio, but it's worth looking into.

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#1837222 - 02/02/12 01:06 PM Re: Sad Baroq & Renaissance music? [Re: Hermanberntzen]
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Any Baroque Suite or Partita that has a Sarabande - and most of them do - will provide you with slowly, elegant, stately music, for that is the character of a Sarabande. Whether it can be interpreted as "sad" will depend upon the individual listener.

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#1837402 - 02/02/12 06:29 PM Re: Sad Baroq & Renaissance music? [Re: Hermanberntzen]
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Kleenex anyone?
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#1837411 - 02/02/12 06:49 PM Re: Sad Baroq & Renaissance music? [Re: Hermanberntzen]
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Check out some music by Carlo Gesualdo, from the late 1500's and early 1600's. He found his wife cheating on him, so he murdered both his wife and the man she was with right there on the spot. (He was of noble blood so people couldn't really arrest/punish him, but he was scared of family members of the murdered, so he ran away). He was emotionally unstable after that, and it reflects in his music; INTENSE chromaticism and harmonic ideas; things that did not come back until the very late Romantic era and the 20th century.

(Interestingly enough, back in the 1300's, there were styles of music composition called "Ars Nova" and "Ars Subtilior" that used rhythmic complexities so profound that they were also not to be found in that intensity until the 20th century.)

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#1837415 - 02/02/12 06:54 PM Re: Sad Baroq & Renaissance music? [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Check out some music by Carlo Gesualdo, from the late 1500's and early 1600's. He found his wife cheating on him, so he murdered both his wife and the man she was with right there on the spot. (He was of noble blood so people couldn't really arrest/punish him, but he was scared of family members of the murdered, so he ran away). He was emotionally unstable after that, and it reflects in his music; INTENSE chromaticism and harmonic ideas; things that did not come back until the very late Romantic era and the 20th century.


Good one! I forgot about Gesualdo -- I learned about him in music history. Did he write for harpsichord? I'm only familiar with his madrigals.

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#1837417 - 02/02/12 06:56 PM Re: Sad Baroq & Renaissance music? [Re: LadyChen]
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Originally Posted By: LadyChen
Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Check out some music by Carlo Gesualdo, from the late 1500's and early 1600's. He found his wife cheating on him, so he murdered both his wife and the man she was with right there on the spot. (He was of noble blood so people couldn't really arrest/punish him, but he was scared of family members of the murdered, so he ran away). He was emotionally unstable after that, and it reflects in his music; INTENSE chromaticism and harmonic ideas; things that did not come back until the very late Romantic era and the 20th century.


Good one! I forgot about Gesualdo -- I learned about him in music history. Did he write for harpsichord? I'm only familiar with his madrigals.


Not that I know of... Transcribe? laugh

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#1837532 - 02/02/12 10:57 PM Re: Sad Baroq & Renaissance music? [Re: Hermanberntzen]
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This oughta fit the bill......

Tomaso Albinoni - Adagio in G minor

http://youtu.be/PEzuXJ0rOJM
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#1837537 - 02/02/12 11:03 PM Re: Sad Baroq & Renaissance music? [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Originally Posted By: LadyChen

Good one! I forgot about Gesualdo -- I learned about him in music history. Did he write for harpsichord? I'm only familiar with his madrigals.


Not that I know of... Transcribe? laugh


DO IT.

If you wanted to have a lot of fun, you could transcribe his entire Tenebrae Responsoria: 2 1/2 hours of tortured fun! grin

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#1837543 - 02/02/12 11:13 PM Re: Sad Baroq & Renaissance music? [Re: Hermanberntzen]
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The famous Gavotte with variations by Rameau would fit the bill.

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#1837574 - 02/02/12 11:56 PM Re: Sad Baroq & Renaissance music? [Re: carey]
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Originally Posted By: carey
This oughta fit the bill......

Tomaso Albinoni - Adagio in G minor

http://youtu.be/PEzuXJ0rOJM



Fantastic piece. Interesting that it was dubiously attributed to him. Albinoni biographer Remo Giazotto was the true composer; he said he based it on a fragment of music he found but later said he had composed it himself.

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#1837611 - 02/03/12 12:39 AM Re: Sad Baroq & Renaissance music? [Re: didyougethathing]
carey Offline
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Originally Posted By: didyougethathing
Originally Posted By: carey
This oughta fit the bill......

Tomaso Albinoni - Adagio in G minor

http://youtu.be/PEzuXJ0rOJM



Fantastic piece. Interesting that it was dubiously attributed to him. Albinoni biographer Remo Giazotto was the true composer; he said he based it on a fragment of music he found but later said he had composed it himself.


ha So the doggone thing is a 20th century forgery !!! I've always thought this Adagio sounded a too modern for the Baroque era.

Remo's one hit wonder !!!!! grin
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#1837654 - 02/03/12 01:41 AM Re: Sad Baroq & Renaissance music? [Re: Hermanberntzen]
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Wish Franz Liszt was stil alive, he was good at transcriptions!
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